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Title: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KA5N on March 13, 2013, 08:27:23 AM
I hear the pileups but I have not heard a peep out of 9M4SLL.  I have been able to work
all the Dxpeditions for the past 2-3 years but I simply do not hear Spratly on any frequency.
It is disapointing to hear hams from all corners of the world working them and read how many
"fills" are bragged about in the forum.  Maybe I should try long path?  Of course that is
5000 miles farther.  Maybe some magic bean stalk extract to get the HEX beam a bit higher.
Drat!
Allen KA5N   (one contact would be enough for An  ATNO!! )


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N2RJ on March 13, 2013, 08:28:32 AM
They were light here yesterday. But I couldn't get them on any bands I actually need.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: VA2FSQ on March 13, 2013, 08:36:44 AM
They are calling for NA on 24.985.1 right now at 15:36
I never heard a peep before but I got them on 3 calls with a lowly vertical.  Hang in there!


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W5RDW on March 13, 2013, 08:41:36 AM
They have never been very strong here at my QTH. For both of my contacts on CW (12 and 15M), they were very weak and I was surprised they heard me. The SSB contact was most likely due to calling them much higher in freq, since the pileup was so broad.

My 12 M contact is not on their log, so I guess I will have to wade in the pileup and try it again!  :(


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W6GX on March 13, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
It might be just the DX gods playing with you.  If you are able to work other dxpeditions then your station is functioning ok.  Just hang in there.  GL.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: NU1O on March 13, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
They were very strong on 15 meter phone yesterday @ 1600Z and very strong a little later in the day on 20 meter phone.  I was surprised to work them on 12 meter phone this morning and they had few takers. Seems like the phone pileups have thinned out considerably but 17 meter CW is proving to be difficult. The Vatican, on 15 meter phone, has a much bigger pileup than 9M4SLL did on 12 meters.

BTW, Francesco, HV0A, said he would be active for a few more days. I got the impression he will pull the plug when they announce a new pope. If that is truly the case I hope there is a lot more black smoke as I could use them on many bands and modes.  ;)

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N5MOA on March 13, 2013, 11:13:20 AM
Allen, I'm about 60 miles up the highway from you.

 They were about a 579 on 12m cw Monday evening @23:00, about a 569 @00:07 on 10m cw last night. LP was considerably worse.

15m they have been weaker, 20m has been barely in there in the evenings. I listened on 40m this morning, not too loud, I didn't need them there + was headed out the door to work.

Good luck.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N2RJ on March 13, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
BTW, Francesco, HV0A, said he would be active for a few more days. I got the impression he will pull the plug when they announce a new pope. If that is truly the case I hope there is a lot more black smoke as I could use them on many bands and modes.  ;)

73,

Chris/NU1O

Well it looks like that won't happen. White smoke today!


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N4KC on March 13, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
Allen, me, too.  I've been watching the spots, I see stateside stations spotting them, yet I hear nothing...zilch...nada...ought...except the occasional "UP UP!  UP!"  At least that confirms I'm listening in the right place and they are still there...even if I hear only hiss and freq cops.

Seems the southern tier of states are having the toughest time, though after I say that, we'll probably get lots of posts from our neighborhood saying they have worked 9M4SLL multiple times and modes.

They did have a pretty good signal on 20M CW this morning about 1600Z but practically all the contacts were with Europe.  And then they faded to...well...hiss.

We'll get 'em!

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)
 
 


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W4VKU on March 13, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
Today around 2000z they were begging on 17m and so was the case on 15m ssb around 1500z.
Pretty strong signal and could work em barefoot. But should confess that the antenna is close to
70ft high and is a 3ele steppir.

They were on 12m cw around their sunrise and while the copy was reasonable here, he seems
to have had a hard time hearing and picking out the callers. The Qso rate was too slow, hence
we turned on the amp and by the time it came online,he was Gonzo. Wish i had called on the
service of the 3-500z instead.

Gotta wait for another opportunity.

Good luck
Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: V47JA on March 13, 2013, 09:24:43 PM
Hi,

You think you have problems working them..... You should try to getting through the US wall of stations from the Caribbean.

73,

John  V47JA


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: K9SRV on March 14, 2013, 04:09:51 AM
John,
Thanks for the recent QSO. I have not heard them last time or this
DX-PED. I admit I have a modest station, but not to even HEAR them,
either trip is strange. Can anyone give a rundown on their equipment?

John ???


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: NU1O on March 14, 2013, 05:27:15 AM
Hi,

You think you have problems working them..... You should try to getting through the US wall of stations from the Caribbean.

73,

John  V47JA

Yesterday, I heard him asking for Caribbean only. Several stations from Puerto Rico worked him at that time.  You would've had to be lucky enough to be listening when he asked for your region but not many expeditions single out the Caribbean at all.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N4KC on March 14, 2013, 08:44:02 AM
John, I'm using a hexbeam at 47 feet plus a vertical and various wire antennas, and I run 400W CW/600W SSB.  I can usually do fine to VK/ZL, Oceania, and Africa but SE Asia is always a problem from here.

I got up early this morning and they had a decent signal here on 40M CW at about 1100Z.  I tried for about an hour before they faded.  Most QSOs were with JAs, of course.  Then they switched to 30M about 1230Z and had a better signal.  However, with a ton of us calling, he kept calling CQ and made very few QSOs.  I think they have noise and QRN issues on some bands.

I'll keep trying...and yes, I know.  They are working "SPLEET!  SPLEET!"

73,

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
 
 


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: K0YQ on March 14, 2013, 08:53:12 AM
Then they switched to 30M about 1230Z and had a better signal.  However, with a ton of us calling, he kept calling CQ and made very few QSOs.  I think they have noise and QRN issues on some bands.

That happened the other day on 30M as well.  They were CQing repeatedly into a wall of US stations calling.  I also thought noise or QRN...


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: K3STX on March 15, 2013, 12:49:27 PM
Last night all night long from about 2300-00130Z I saw spots for 12 meters, 17 meters, and 15 meters and went to my rig and heard NOTHING. Then at around 0200Z I turned on the rig, it was still on 21035 and BAM, there they were!! Very readable, but I never got them with 400 watts/dipole up 25 feet. Could not find where they were listening.

But they were REPORTED to be on 15 meters for HOURS, I could only hear them for about 30 minutes. Too bad I missed the early afternoon openings on 17 meters due to work, maybe tomorrow morning.

Heard them on 30 this morning too, but they were only working JAs and an occassional VK.

paul


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KB3LIX on March 15, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Heard them the first day, since then NADA.
To add insult to injury, the POWERLINE RFI is back again.

RFI has been silent since March 2, 2012 when the utility
replaced hardware on a pole just east of me. Been quiet
all last summer, fall and winter.
Now that things are drying out, VOILA it is back.

Already have a new complaint filed.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KA5N on March 15, 2013, 03:49:39 PM
  Seems that we are not alone.  I finally heard them on 20 meters and I called and called
but the pileup was too much and I never got through.  Today they were supposed to be on
several bands but again other folks were working them and I heard nothing (except for
people calling on their working frequency).   It must have something to do with antennas or
propagation.  With other expeditions with similar antennas and near the sea, they pound in
signals.  I keep hoping that I will turn the rig on and get a 59  and forget about this expedition.People always say "If it was too easy it wouldn't be any fun."   "Well, if it is too hard it isn't fun either."
Write if you work them, and remember to hang by your thumbs  (with apoligies to Bob and Ray
how I miss those two wonderful guys!)
73 Allen KA5N


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KY6R on March 15, 2013, 04:00:52 PM
Weird - they were easy on 12 and 10M and they have had GREAT signals on 160 and 80M - but they don't hear so well on the low bands. I have everything else in between.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N4NYY on March 15, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
Nothing here yet


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N5MOA on March 15, 2013, 05:57:14 PM
Weird - they were easy on 12 and 10M and they have had GREAT signals on 160 and 80M - but they don't hear so well on the low bands. I have everything else in between.

I heard them cq'n on 160m yesterday morning, but they got spotted by a JA and the herd descended before he heard me , if he would have heard me (not likely, but I can hope) at all.

I did get 'em on 80m cw this morning, finally.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N4KC on March 15, 2013, 07:01:43 PM
Happy guy update:

Saw them spotted last night about 0200Z on 15 CW.  Well, 15 CW is usually dead as a typical armadillo on Interstate 65 by that time of night, but what the heck?  I dialed up there and sure enough, I could hear them most of the time, just above the noise.  I called three or four times though I could not hear enough calling stations to find where he was listening.  But then, I heard what I thought was my call just as a freq cop began screeching, "UP UP UP UP."  I answered with a report and definitely heard a "TU" at about the right time.

I put the contact in the log and immediately uploaded to LOTW.  Then, when I checked this morning...BINGO!  9M4SLL confirmed!  And it was my 300th worked, 275th confirmed. 

Earlier, about 1330Z, I could barely hear them on 30M but again, lots of guys calling but they kept CQing and working very few.  Then, tonight I saw a spot on 12M CW about 0030Z.  I gave one call with 100 watts and heard, "N4CC 599."  I corrected the call and I think...I hope...he came back with it right.  We'll see if it shows up on LOTW.

See, it can be done...

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)
 
 


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: WS3N on March 16, 2013, 06:09:11 AM
I also got them yesterday, finally. I couldn't hear them all week, but when I came home from work yesterday, as soon as DXLab came up I saw a spot for 17m RTTY. I finally had good copy and was able to work them with only 100W. I just checked Club Log and saw my greenie. Ahhhhh.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KY6R on March 16, 2013, 07:17:13 AM
I just worked them on 160M, which for me is easily as good as any ATNO.

I have to say that using 300 watts to a Cushcraft MA-160V for TX and K9AY Loops for RX gives me what has turned out to be (by far) the most enjoyable DX-ing I have ever experienced.

I guess I love the "nostalgic" feel that I am DX-ing on a band that is close to where ham radio started - just above the AM radio band.

I love the sunrise propagation peaks on 160M and the "variable" nature of its propagation. It goes very well with morning coffee - hi hi. I am just having pure fun on this band - with no pressure of worrying about an award. What a blast!


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W6GX on March 16, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
I just worked them on 160M, which for me is easily as good as any ATNO.

I have to say that using 300 watts to a Cushcraft MA-160V for TX and K9AY Loops for RX gives me what has turned out to be (by far) the most enjoyable DX-ing I have ever experienced.

I guess I love the "nostalgic" feel that I am DX-ing on a band that is close to where ham radio started - just above the AM radio band.

I love the sunrise propagation peaks on 160M and the "variable" nature of its propagation. It goes very well with morning coffee - hi hi. I am just having pure fun on this band - with no pressure of worrying about an award. What a blast!

Congrats!  Do you have to fight a big pileup to get the Q, or just really good ears, or both?

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KY6R on March 16, 2013, 04:02:58 PM
I just worked them on 160M, which for me is easily as good as any ATNO.

I have to say that using 300 watts to a Cushcraft MA-160V for TX and K9AY Loops for RX gives me what has turned out to be (by far) the most enjoyable DX-ing I have ever experienced.

I guess I love the "nostalgic" feel that I am DX-ing on a band that is close to where ham radio started - just above the AM radio band.

I love the sunrise propagation peaks on 160M and the "variable" nature of its propagation. It goes very well with morning coffee - hi hi. I am just having pure fun on this band - with no pressure of worrying about an award. What a blast!

Congrats!  Do you have to fight a big pileup to get the Q, or just really good ears, or both?

73,
Jonathan W6GX

For this one it took both. They have been on 160 and 80 every morning, but every day have said they couldn't hear well due to QRN and QRM. Today - the guy was running West Coast well, and there were many in the pileup. I can only run 300 watts on 160M - which is like QRP with everyone else - but I just placed my signal in between all of the kilowatts and was heard. Today his signal was very strong as far as 160M is concerned - of course - causing the bigger than usual pileup.

The morning grey line pileups are great - the herd is thinner (just West Coast) when I worked him, so I had a good chance. I worked him when it was daylight out - so there was an excellent "enhancement" that seemed to last about 20 minutes or so.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: WG5G on March 16, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W6GX on March 16, 2013, 07:10:16 PM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.

I also saw you worked TU2CI with 5 watts.  If you have a secret please share it with us ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: WG5G on March 16, 2013, 07:43:25 PM
Good evening Jonathan, Tnx fer puttin out the TU2CI, If I cud get an endorsement deal with GEM QUAD PRODUCTS I wud be rich, HI HI. Actually the original owner made the spreaders - extra heavy duty and sold me the extra spiders but actually said he will not warranty the monster I was building. the quad has 5 ele on ten mtrs and 4 0n 20 mtrs, I really cant explain why the quad plays so gud, Ill tell you this, I used a 2 ele quad at 30 ft to reach the 299 ctry level qrp, I was really stuck, so at that point I was able to move up on a ridge, design and build the monster quad and now have 341 all time 333 current mixed HR. The point Im trying to make is before I started playing in the Marathon I only got on the air for ATNO'S, This antenna was designed for one purpose, to work DX, so now I enjoy working the Marathon because theres always a new one to work. 73 Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W6GX on March 16, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Good evening Jonathan, Tnx fer puttin out the TU2CI, If I cud get an endorsement deal with GEM QUAD PRODUCTS I wud be rich, HI HI. Actually the original owner made the spreaders - extra heavy duty and sold me the extra spiders but actually said he will not warranty the monster I was building. the quad has 5 ele on ten mtrs and 4 0n 20 mtrs, I really cant explain why the quad plays so gud, Ill tell you this, I used a 2 ele quad at 30 ft to reach the 299 ctry level qrp, I was really stuck, so at that point I was able to move up on a ridge, design and build the monster quad and now have 341 all time 333 current mixed HR. The point Im trying to make is before I started playing in the Marathon I only got on the air for ATNO'S, This antenna was designed for one purpose, to work DX, so now I enjoy working the Marathon because theres always a new one to work. 73 Dan WG5G.

Incredible.  You should name her the 'Big Bertha'.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KY6R on March 17, 2013, 03:56:54 AM
Good evening Jonathan, Tnx fer puttin out the TU2CI, If I cud get an endorsement deal with GEM QUAD PRODUCTS I wud be rich, HI HI. Actually the original owner made the spreaders - extra heavy duty and sold me the extra spiders but actually said he will not warranty the monster I was building. the quad has 5 ele on ten mtrs and 4 0n 20 mtrs, I really cant explain why the quad plays so gud, Ill tell you this, I used a 2 ele quad at 30 ft to reach the 299 ctry level qrp, I was really stuck, so at that point I was able to move up on a ridge, design and build the monster quad and now have 341 all time 333 current mixed HR. The point Im trying to make is before I started playing in the Marathon I only got on the air for ATNO'S, This antenna was designed for one purpose, to work DX, so now I enjoy working the Marathon because theres always a new one to work. 73 Dan WG5G.

Incredible.  You should name her the 'Big Bertha'.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

That name might now be available:

http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/bigbertha.htm



Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KY6R on March 17, 2013, 06:22:01 AM
Just worked them on 80M, so now have it on 160 - 10M. Spratly was actually considered quite rare back in 2001 when I first started DX-ing. It has been activated at least 4 times since then.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N2RJ on March 17, 2013, 07:35:01 AM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.

I also saw you worked TU2CI with 5 watts.  If you have a secret please share it with us ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Any idea how to QSL? Most people seem unsuccessful getting direct QSL out of them.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: AF3Y on March 17, 2013, 07:44:07 AM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.

I also saw you worked TU2CI with 5 watts.  If you have a secret please share it with us ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Any idea how to QSL? Most people seem unsuccessful getting direct QSL out of them.

I did not have any trouble getting a quick card from their last trip. Just sent direct to their QSL manager, M0URX.  I know he has online QSL request as well.

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KY6R on March 17, 2013, 07:55:28 AM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.

I also saw you worked TU2CI with 5 watts.  If you have a secret please share it with us ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Any idea how to QSL? Most people seem unsuccessful getting direct QSL out of them.

All of my Q's have shown up in LOTW within a day. I don't need a card for 1S . . . .


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: NU4B on March 17, 2013, 09:01:57 AM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.

I also saw you worked TU2CI with 5 watts.  If you have a secret please share it with us ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Any idea how to QSL? Most people seem unsuccessful getting direct QSL out of them.

I think you were asking about TU2CI. I got a card direct many years ago - before the civil war or unrest or whatever you call it. I don't think mail with green stamps will make it anymore and their bureau is closed. This is the radio association's headquarter station, but good luck on this one.
Did you miss TU2T?


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: W6GX on March 17, 2013, 09:06:30 AM
Hello to all, I was chasing Spratley for the DX marathon point and having a ruff time qrp, well they were spotted on 28.035 Wednesday evening so I said what the heck probably wont hear them but tried anyway, well nothing heard on 28.035, but did hear something up above, it was 9M4SLL calling cq with an S - 8 signal, 1 call with 5 watts bingo, talk abt luck, someone miss spotted him and made it easy, 73 Dan WG5G.

I also saw you worked TU2CI with 5 watts.  If you have a secret please share it with us ;)

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Any idea how to QSL? Most people seem unsuccessful getting direct QSL out of them.

I think you were asking about TU2CI. I got a card direct many years ago - before the civil war or unrest or whatever you call it. I don't think mail with green stamps will make it anymore and their bureau is closed. This is the radio association's headquarter station, but good luck on this one.
Did you miss TU2T?

If you are indeed asking about TU2CI please see my latest post under the thread 'DX Across Africa'.  It looks like the call is being recycled or that the caravan is using the club station for the contacts made after March 16.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N4KC on March 17, 2013, 10:01:33 AM
Happy guy update #2:

Thought I worked them Friday night local on 17M CW but could not be sure.  No confirmation on ClubLog or LOTW by late yesterday (Saturday, local), and they were a legit 569 on 17M CW.  I broke my own rule about re-working a DXpedition and--thankfully for others also calling--got them on the first call.

Joy!  Both 17M QSOs are in ClubLog this morning (Sunday, local) and...even more joy...LOTW.  What a wonderful thing to have such quick confirmation, even if it took a little longer on my second QSO with them.  Spoiled by TX5K's instantaneous cofirm on DXA?  Maybe.  Donation on the way...

73,

Don Keith N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
(Author of the new book RIDING THE SHORTWAVES:
EXPLORING THE MAGIC OF AMATEUR RADIO)
 
 


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N5MOA on March 18, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Also a happy guy.

My slightly above esp 160m qso from yesterday showed up in LOTW today.



Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: K3STX on March 18, 2013, 10:31:16 AM
Sad guy update.

Never worked 'em. Saw post after post after post on 12 meters, I would go there and never hear a PEEP! They had decent sigs into the East coast on 15 meters around 0200Z on Thursday night, I never heard them again. Never ONCE heard them at East coast sunrise on 40, that would probably have been my best shot.

This is a rough path from NE USA;  it was pretty depressing that it SEEMED like there was no real effort to specifically work NE USA. It's their DXpedition, they can do what they want. I wonder how many zone 5 contacts they made? Out of the 44,000 QSOs there were only 15,000 uniques and 50% of all QSOs were with Europe. I think 9M6XRO QTH could not be THAT far away from Spratly, working John from his home QTH has been pretty easy.

This was not a case of being beaten out in the pile-ups, I never even got INTO the pile-ups, rarely heard them (I only do CW, I realize that is a limitation imposed on me by me).

Oh well, it's only a hobby. At least today my LOTW updated and now I am officially at 313 confirmed. But 314 would have been nice!!

paul


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: NI0C on March 18, 2013, 11:03:22 AM
K3STX wrote:
Quote
Never worked 'em.

I didn't either, Paul, but it is my own fault.  I heard them very well on the bands I was not set up for, antenna wise.  Up until last Friday, all I had was my MA160V vertical for 160m.  I couldn't hear them on 160m, but heard them very well on 40m, 30m, 17m and 12m.  Friday morning I heard them CQ'ing with no responses on 30m (I called them running about 40 watts with 5:1 SWR on the MA160V, but no luck).  Friday was a warm sunny day in St. Louis, so I took down the MA160V for the season, and replaced it with the N6BT vertical dipole setup for 30m.  But then we got the geomagnetic disturbances and I never heard them again. I really wanted them on 30m, because I lack only zone 26 to complete WAZ on that band. 

I've missed a lot of previous Spratly expeditions and been frustrated hearing them work JA's during narrow propagation windows to the Midwest, but several years ago, I worked the DX0JP expedition on 80 meters.  Their QSL card shows a picture of their 80m 4 square at the water's edge.

Good luck next time, and congrats to all who managed to get this one.

73,
Chuck  NI0C 


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: NU1O on March 18, 2013, 11:07:55 AM
Sad guy update.

Never worked 'em. Saw post after post after post on 12 meters, I would go there and never hear a PEEP! They had decent sigs into the East coast on 15 meters around 0200Z on Thursday night, I never heard them again. Never ONCE heard them at East coast sunrise on 40, that would probably have been my best shot.

This is a rough path from NE USA;  it was pretty depressing that it SEEMED like there was no real effort to specifically work NE USA. It's their DXpedition, they can do what they want. I wonder how many zone 5 contacts they made? Out of the 44,000 QSOs there were only 15,000 uniques and 50% of all QSOs were with Europe. I think 9M6XRO QTH could not be THAT far away from Spratly, working John from his home QTH has been pretty easy.

This was not a case of being beaten out in the pile-ups, I never even got INTO the pile-ups, rarely heard them (I only do CW, I realize that is a limitation imposed on me by me).

Oh well, it's only a hobby. At least today my LOTW updated and now I am officially at 313 confirmed. But 314 would have been nice!!

paul

Things started off real slow but as the pileups thinned out a bit I was able to work them on 12 through 20 meters.  I did not try to work them on 30 meters or lower. Mostly SSB but on 20 meters both SSB and CW. On 12 and 17 my beam is basically a rotary dipole so it didn't take anything extraordinary.  I do have a legal limit amp and would not have liked to try and break the pileups with just 100W.

At times I did hear them asking for NA only. Not the NE, or areas 1, 2, and 3 only, but since you didn't really hear them but once it wouldn't have made any difference.

The trips to Spratly are becoming regular so you will get other chances.  Good luck.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KB3LIX on March 18, 2013, 11:13:50 AM
Heard them the first day, since then NADA.
To add insult to injury, the POWERLINE RFI is back again.

RFI has been silent since March 2, 2012 when the utility
replaced hardware on a pole just east of me. Been quiet
all last summer, fall and winter.
Now that things are drying out, VOILA it is back.

Already have a new complaint filed.

Never did hear them again since the first day.
Not surprizing though.

Didn't hear either Timor-Leste or Christmas Island when they were
activated some time back.

C'est la vie


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: WB3BEL on March 18, 2013, 11:33:52 AM
I would say that if you were not hearing them on the East Coast NA then you should try to make antenna improvements or try to fix sources of local noise or interference before the next expedition.  I don't have big antennas up high on the upper HF bands and I could hear them OK on several bands from my noisy suburban QTH.
I have a variety of small 2 or 3 ele Yagi I swap around none higher than 35ft.  QRO is useful to maximize the short lived and variable openings.

This DXpedition was hands down way better than last years trek to Spratly Is.  I'd say this was due to the operators knowing which bands to be on and have their antenna pointed the right way.

First off I agree about 40 and 30m.  I expected to see better signals on these bands.  At the beginning of the expedition I thought these would be pretty solid bets.  However after listening a few days I changed my opinion.  Here's why... on 30 and 40 before sunrise, the MUF to much of ECNA was too low to support the first hop.  Then around EC Sunrise, I think they took a break for dinner.  Guys farther south who had a bit better MUF on the first hop were able to make QSOs as were guys in NE who got the greyline bump before the ops took a break.  In addition they moved stations from 30m to 160m as daylight was sweeping across NA.  This was good for topband ops, but not so good for 30m ops on the EC.  I think the antennas on these midbands were not as good as some recent expeditions that use 4SQ or vert arrays.  Before daybreak the arrival path was constantly shifting between LP and SP.  If you did not have directional antenna you see a ton of multipath ringing that is very hard to copy.

On the other hand they had good signals into the Mid Atlantic region 0000 to 0200z on 17m being the strongest band here, followed by a path on 15m over the North Pole 1200-1300z and a bit weaker on 15m around 0100z.  They also had decent signals on 20m in the evening.  They were on 12m a lot.  The signal strength was variable.  I think that guys farther south and southwest had longer openings on 12m as the MUF was higher and they had more common daylight with Spratly.

I heard them with good signals on 80m before SR one day.  They QSYed to 160m and I think they were never on 80m for EC again.  Guys farther west had more opportunity on 80m.  They had a good SR peak several days on 160m which was about 10minutes duration each day.  There was also one really good opening one morning on 160m where they worked a handful of east coast mid atlantic stations and New England.  It's hard to give Qs to all the deserving in a handful of 10min openings.  If you are not the Alpha dog, you are likely to have to wait.

All in all, I think that it was a very well run expedition and I heard them calling for NA several times.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: N3QE on March 18, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
Sad guy update.

I didn't get them either Paul.

High bands are hard for me because I'm rarely at home during the daylight hours even on weekends. I did hear them a few times calling for NA but never had more than just minutes of time to drop in my call. Of course there could always have been a long path opening at odd hour of night but I didn't find one either.

Others pointed out that they seemed to take their dinner break or do a band change to 160M, at exactly the same time 30M/40M greyline would have opened for us.

Tim.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: K3STX on March 18, 2013, 01:49:08 PM
I don't have big antennas up high on the upper HF bands...
I have a variety of small 2 or 3 ele Yagi I swap around none higher than 35ft.

I know everything is relative, but to me a 3 ele Yagi up 35 feet IS a big antenna!

paul


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: WA8UEG on March 18, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
I'm in the Pocono's, full size quad at 50 ft on top of a 2000' mountain. I didn't hear them today.


Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: KF6ABU on March 18, 2013, 02:11:35 PM
Just worked them on 80M, so now have it on 160 - 10M. Spratly was actually considered quite rare back in 2001 when I first started DX-ing. It has been activated at least 4 times since then.

I only need them on 80! (160 is a silly proposition at my QTH)



Title: RE: 9M4SLL I can't hear them!!!
Post by: AF3Y on March 18, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
I heard them well on several of the high bands, but only tried once, as it was for a bandfill only.

40 CW last year and 15 CW this year.

The wire vertical LIVES ;D

73, Gene AF3Y