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Title: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AE5X on March 21, 2013, 07:23:50 AM
Do you guys ever ponder which of the major DX awards grant the most bragging rights?

I'd put them in this order, from easiest to most difficult:

5B-DXCC
DX Honor Roll
5B-WAZ

Do those of you on HR have 5B-WAZ in your sights? After these, what's next?

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: VK3HJ on March 21, 2013, 07:32:57 AM
I'd put the WAZ above DXCC in difficulty.
At least that is my experience.
I am pleased to have 5BDXCC, but think 5BWAZ will be a whole lot more work.
From here, I have found Zone 2 to be the most challenging.
Luke VK3HJ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: W6GX on March 21, 2013, 07:39:07 AM
From here, I have found Zone 2 to be the most challenging.

Try requesting a sked with VO2NS.

Ok, I could see flames coming within 30 seconds.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: W2IRT on March 21, 2013, 07:48:41 AM
5B-WAZ, but Honor Roll is no slouch either. I earned 5B-DXCC in 4 years (all with low wires and 500W or less). I got up to 9 bands/3 modes DXCC in 7 years. Here I am 12 years in and still waiting for 4 band-zones on 80m to complete all 200, with no guarantee of every hearing 'em. Yeah, by far that's the hardest award to earn of those mentioned. I'd say a 160m WAZ is harder still. HR is more a question of just being on the air when entities come on. WAZ requires more skill.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: N3QE on March 21, 2013, 08:04:08 AM
I myself would put them in that order too. I have 5BDXCC easy but 5B-WAZ and honor roll are a long long away from where I am now.

But folks who have high-band only antennas often reach honor roll on the high bands long before they reach DXCC on 80M. There was a nice article in QST last year, by a long-time honor roller on his recent efforts to get 80M DXCC.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: KY6R on March 21, 2013, 08:21:07 AM
My only "real" goal was DXCC Honor Roll, and "just" mixed - but to do it as fast as I could. 9BDXCC was a secondary goal, and DXCC Challenge is just done in between the other things - so I don't get too bored. I have never gotten interested in the CQ Awards - only ARRL DXCC, and not really sure why.

1) 10BDXCC from the West Coast and 3000 DXCC Challenge and #1 Honor Roll
2) 6 Meter DXCC from the West Coast and 5BWAZ
3) Honor Roll and 2000 level DXCC Challenge
4) 160M DXCC from the West Coast and 9BDXCC

I think where you live has a huge influence on how hard one or the other award is. Not to mention local terrain, budget for gear, HOA's, etc ,etc

I think we compete with ourselves more than anyone else along the way.

I think I am enjoying 160M DXCC more than any other award I've chased, and doing the DXCC Challenge in "lazy / relaxed mode". Honor Roll was kind of stressful - probably because I put a time frame on it. I have no plans to bother with 5BWAZ . . .

Now I'm just enjoying DX-ing again. Totally just for the fun of it - and to continue to design, build and try different antennas. No self imposed time frames, no hurry.




Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: N7SMI on March 21, 2013, 11:05:47 AM
It's not really DX, but I think the FFMA (all 488 US grid squares on VHF - http://www.arrl.org/ffma) must be one of the more difficult, life-long awards one could earn. There have only been 5 recipients, and none in the last 2.5 years.

And I agree that WAZ awards are much more difficult than DXCC, at least for me.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: VK3HJ on March 21, 2013, 03:27:27 PM
I have Nazaire in Zone 2 on 20 and 40 m, and VE2IM on 15 m, but apart from those bands, I still don't have 160, 80 and 10 m. That will happen when it happens.
Although I've only been DX-ing for about five minutes, I've worked most countries that have been on air in that time, 5BDXCC, and am now chasing 160 m DXCC with 85, and 26 Zones.
I note in my log that I am short 15 and 10 m on Zone 4, but I think that is just an incorrect Zone entered in the QRZ.com lookup. Will have to check that one out later.
Only once have I arranged a sked QSO - and felt a bit like I cheated afterwards!
The hobby is rich with awards with all levels of difficulty. I think the easiest for a budding DXer is Worked All Continents. Most of us now could do WAC every day, I think. Honor Roll, multi-band WAZ, etc. must be very hard to achieve to remain worthwhile chasing.
73,
Luke VK3HJ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: KF6ABU on March 21, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
5 Band DXCC is rather easy - takes a year, and a lot sooner if you have nice antennae or live closer to the east coast.
Honor roll is not hard, just takes a lot longer.
5 Band WAZ is both hard, and takes a long time.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NI0C on March 21, 2013, 05:09:37 PM
AE5X asked:
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Do those of you on HR have 5B-WAZ in your sights? After these, what's next?

Yes, for a long time.

5B-WAZ (entry level for me was 162 band zones in 2001).  Current level of 196 band zones was achieved in 2008.
DXCC Challenge 1000 level achieved in 2001. Currently over 2100 band entities. 
5B-DXCC: 2003
DXCC Honor Roll: 2009
160 WAZ (entry level of 30 zones): 2013

I'm not at all certain I'll work those last four 80m zones (let alone the last ten 160m zones) in the forseeable future.  I'm limited by my QTH more than anything else. 

I have begun organizing my QSL collection by CQ zone, rather than by country.  I am also working towards completing some more of the single-band, single-mode (for me, CW) WAZ awards offered by CQ. 

73,
Chuck  NI0C

 


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AA6YQ on March 21, 2013, 05:45:08 PM
Honor roll is not hard, just takes a lot longer.

The ARRL has evidently omitted your callsign from the list of ops who have attained Honor Roll (http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-HR-20130321-USLetter.pdf). You should ask them to correct it.

    73,

          Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: WX2S on March 21, 2013, 07:44:17 PM
Heck, I am happy to just have enough confirmed for plain old DXCC.

-WX2S.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AF5CC on March 21, 2013, 10:42:21 PM
I would say that 2M DXCC would be one of the most difficult, surpassed only by 70cm DXCC.  I think only 1 op has that one!

John AF5CC


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: WD4ELG on March 21, 2013, 10:52:55 PM
Hey, I read somewhere that WAZ on160 does not require all 40 zones? How did that get into effect?


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NU1O on March 21, 2013, 11:14:09 PM
Hey, I read somewhere that WAZ on160 does not require all 40 zones? How did that get into effect?

Probably because it is so hard to work all 40 zones on 160 meters.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: K7MH on March 21, 2013, 11:35:41 PM
Hey, I read somewhere that WAZ on160 does not require all 40 zones? How did that get into effect?

You only need 30 and there are endorsements for 36, 37, 38, 39 and 40. Not sure why.

DXCC on 2 meters is largely done on EME.
It isn't particularly difficult but putting up decent antennas would be a pain and fairly expensive. You can have a small fortune in N connectors when you are done with some of the larger arrays! A tower doesn't have to be very high though.

WAZ on 5 bands would be tough as you have to cover the whole globe on each band.

When you think about it, one can potentially get DXCC on a band just covering part of the globe.
Something like North and South America, the Caribbean, and some Oceania or western Europe.

Not to mention it can be done in a weekend, sometimes on a single band in a major contest. I worked 84 entities on 20 in the ARRL DX phone contest earlier this month. Not 100 but getting fairly close!


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NU1O on March 21, 2013, 11:45:59 PM

When you think about it, one can potentially get DXCC on a band just covering part of the globe.
Something like North and South America, the Caribbean, and some Oceania or western Europe.

I recently calculated if you work NA, The Caribbean, SA, Europe, and the easier West African countries the total is about 180 countries.  I'm leaving out the whole Pacific  and most of those islands are not hard to work even from the East Coast. I did not count the South Atlantic islands (VP8's) in the total.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: W1VT on March 22, 2013, 04:49:02 AM
If you want bragging rights, just announce that you are going to ANY entity on the top ten list, actually go there, and get your DXCC!

Nobody will care about your WAZ totals.  But, the DX community will remember you went there.

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: KY6R on March 22, 2013, 04:56:22 AM
If you want bragging rights, just announce that you are going to ANY entity on the top ten list, actually go there, and get your DXCC!

Nobody will care about your WAZ totals.  But, the DX community will remember you went there.

Zack W1VT

So true!

In fact, look for 4L4FN on this list for a perfect example:

http://www.arrl.org/system/dxcc/view/DXCC-MIXED-20130322-USLetter.pdf

Once he put P5 in front of 4L4FN - he became a "famous" DX-er!

It doesn't matter where he is on the DXCC Standings List . . . . just that he is one of two people who have ever activated P5.

P5/4L4FN to this day - and I expect for a long time - will be the most rare and coveted QSL card in my collection.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: W2IRT on March 22, 2013, 06:09:32 AM
WAZ on 5 bands would be tough as you have to cover the whole globe on each band.

Yes, that's what makes it brutally hard, especially from North America, where all the geographically-difficult entities are situated also have small ham populations or super-stations. Think about it, it's a rough path to Mongolia from New Jersey and vice-versa, but a DXer in Mongolia can have his pick of powerhouse NJ stations for his 5B-WAZ, whereas there may only be one or two JT stations that have a good enough signal on 80. This is also why I would love to see a DXpedition mounted to entities that fall within certain rare-on-the-lowbands zones for the big population centres in NA.


Not to mention it can be done in a weekend, sometimes on a single band in a major contest. I worked 84 entities on 20 in the ARRL DX phone contest earlier this month. Not 100 but getting fairly close!

In ARRL-CW this year I did it on 40, 20 and 15--first time ever on 3 bands in the same weekend, but many times I've done it on both 15 & 20 in the majors, both CW and SSB. Consider that while I have a half-decent station I'm not a world-class contester and I've still managed to rack up over 230 entities so far in calendar 2013 (I'm after Marathon points this year). I'm hoping to finish the year with at least 275 entities plus all 40 zones.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: IK0OZD on March 23, 2013, 12:06:03 AM
my most beautiful award  DX was CQMAGAZINE UNILIMITED Marathon of 2011,


I tried a joy different from all others,
I'm very proud

73 gl
Tony


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: W6GX on March 23, 2013, 08:39:02 AM
my most beautiful award  DX was CQMAGAZINE UNILIMITED Marathon of 2011,


I tried a joy different from all others,
I'm very proud

73 gl
Tony


Yes, this is a beautiful and prestigious award. And only one is given out in a year ;)  Congratulations.  So I must ask you which award you have is the one you are most proud of?  And which one is the most difficult and time-consuming to achieve?

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: IK0OZD on March 23, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
ciao Jonathan ,
all award  are beautiful
the dxcc, l ' honor roll, the top honor roll, 5B waz are a natural attainment,
just live long and engage in what you want,

Marathon award , or the award  of a contest in my opinion are to be seen differently,

the first type of award (H.R.) is a race with time,
the second type of premium (CONTEST WINNER OR MARATHON) is a race with others,
This is not law, but only a little thought
ciao
Tony


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: W6GX on March 23, 2013, 09:38:17 AM
ciao Jonathan ,
all award  are beautiful
the dxcc, l ' honor roll, the top honor roll, 5B waz are a natural attainment,
just live long and engage in what you want,

Marathon award , or the award  of a contest in my opinion are to be seen differently,

the first type of award (H.R.) is a race with time,
the second type of premium (CONTEST WINNER OR MARATHON) is a race with others,
This is not law, but only a little thought
ciao
Tony


A very good answer Tony.  So now what award(s) are you still after?  I can't think of any!  Ciao.

A good thing I still have time on my side to achieve my goals.  I still have at least three solar cycles left in me, hihi.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: IK0OZD on March 23, 2013, 09:46:14 AM
I like the IOTA  program in this moment ,


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NX7U on March 29, 2013, 11:38:09 PM
Well, I guess it has to be (easiest to hardest)
5B-WAZ
5B-DXCC
DXCC Honor Roll

because I got them in that order.  Except not HR yet...one short.

Off the cuff I would have said 5B-WAZ, but the thing is, it only takes 150Z to qualify.  So technically you can have zero zones on 80m and get it.  Whereas for 5B-DXCC you have to have the 100 countries on 80m--no makeups elsewhere.
(For the record, my 5B-WAZ count is 190.  On verticals and mobile.)


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AF3Y on March 30, 2013, 06:33:48 AM
Off the cuff I would have said 5B-WAZ, but the thing is, it only takes 150Z to qualify.  So technically you can have zero zones on 80m and get it. 

I did not know that...... I may be closer than I thought :D.

Only need 30 more on 80m now for 8BDXCC. (Slowly coming.......... ::).)

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: VK3HJ on March 30, 2013, 06:44:04 AM
I never looked into 5BWAZ, as I thought I first had to confirm all 40 zones on all 5 bands!
It appears I have been qualified for quite some time for initial 5BWAZ. Even before my 5BDXCC.
Thanks for pointing this out.
I'll wait, however till I can also apply for my 160 m WAZ - 27 zones worked now.
However, it is the CQ DX Marathon that helps keep me DX hunting daily.
73,
Luke VK3HJ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: WD4ELG on March 30, 2013, 07:20:20 PM
Wow, I am at 148 towards a goal of 150 for 5B WAZ.  That is confusing...only 30 needed on 160 meters, only 150 needed for 5BWAZ.


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AE5X on March 30, 2013, 08:50:04 PM
They have a funny way of defining "All"! Maybe it's like what the definition of "is" is...

John AE5X


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AA6YQ on March 30, 2013, 11:10:36 PM
Well, I guess it has to be (easiest to hardest)
5B-WAZ
5B-DXCC
DXCC Honor Roll

Beyond "Mixed DXCC Honor Roll" lies
- Honor Roll on individual bands
- Honor Roll on individual modes
- Mixed Top of the Honor Roll
- Top of the Honor Roll on individual bands
- Top of the Honor Roll on individual modes
- the DXCC Challenge DeSoto Cup

    73,

          Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: VK3HJ on March 31, 2013, 05:26:12 AM
They have a funny way of defining "All"! Maybe it's like what the definition of "is" is...

John AE5X


Maybe it should be "WAAZ" Worked Almost All Zones!
Luke VK3HJ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NI0C on March 31, 2013, 05:55:47 AM
WD4ELG wrote:
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Wow, I am at 148 towards a goal of 150 for 5B WAZ.  That is confusing...only 30 needed on 160 meters, only 150 needed for 5BWAZ.

I believe 6 meter WAZ requires only 25 zones.  The difference between the entry level and full achievement level for these WAZ awards is as least as great as the difference between basic DXCC and Honor Roll. 

For me, having the 5B WAZ certificate on the wall is simply a reminder what I'm striving for.  I have the utmost respect for those who have worked all 200 zones.  I arranged a luncheon for my friend KQ0B shortly after he achieved his.  I'm glad I did, because he passed away suddenly only a few months later.

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NI0C on March 31, 2013, 05:58:59 AM
AA6YQ wrote:
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Beyond "Mixed DXCC Honor Roll" lies
- Honor Roll on individual bands
- Honor Roll on individual modes
- Mixed Top of the Honor Roll
- Top of the Honor Roll on individual bands
- Top of the Honor Roll on individual modes
- the DXCC Challenge DeSoto Cup

I'm not sure that ARRL has a formal Honor Roll listing for individual bands, but it would be nice if they did.  In any event, these are all worthy goals to strive for!

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NI0C on March 31, 2013, 06:10:52 AM
In one of my posts above, I mentioned, Mike, KQ0B.  I just checked, and his story of completing 5B WAZ still appears on his QRZ.com page: http://www.qrz.com/db/KQ0B

Well worth reading by anyone striving for 5B WAZ.

73 & RIP, Mike,
Chuck  NI0C



Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: N4OGW on March 31, 2013, 08:23:46 AM
AA6YQ wrote:
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Beyond "Mixed DXCC Honor Roll" lies
- Honor Roll on individual bands
- Honor Roll on individual modes
- Mixed Top of the Honor Roll
- Top of the Honor Roll on individual bands
- Top of the Honor Roll on individual modes
- the DXCC Challenge DeSoto Cup

I'm not sure that ARRL has a formal Honor Roll listing for individual bands, but it would be nice if they did.  In any event, these are all worthy goals to strive for!

73,
Chuck  NI0C

Right here- well at least you can tell current HR:

http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

Tor
N4OGW




Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NI0C on March 31, 2013, 08:41:28 AM
N4OGW wrote:
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Right here- well at least you can tell current HR:

http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

There are NO individual band honor roll categories; only mode categories.
73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: N4OGW on March 31, 2013, 08:54:22 AM
N4OGW wrote:
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Right here- well at least you can tell current HR:

http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

There are NO individual band honor roll categories; only mode categories.
73,
Chuck  NI0C


I know that. Just pointing out that if you want you can look at the numbers and draw the "HR" line wherever you like...

Tor
N4OGW


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: N9KX on March 31, 2013, 09:13:50 AM

I'm not sure that ARRL has a formal Honor Roll listing for individual bands, but it would be nice if they did.  In any event, these are all worthy goals to strive for!

73,
Chuck  NI0C

Hey Chuck,

I had never seen the DXCC Award individual stamps for Honor Roll, etc. till I visited your QRZ.com page.  very cool!  8)

http://files.qrz.com/c/ni0c/DXCC6565.JPG (http://files.qrz.com/c/ni0c/DXCC6565.JPG)

73,

Rob K9AIM




Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: AA6YQ on March 31, 2013, 09:18:33 AM
- only 122 DXers are on the Digital Honor Roll

- only 5 DXers are at the top of the CW Honor Roll

- only 1 DXer holds the DXCC Challenge DeSoto Cup (by definition)

- there are no DXers at the top of the Digital Honor Roll

      73,

          Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: NI0C on March 31, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
K9AIM wrote:
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Hey Chuck,

I had never seen the DXCC Award individual stamps for Honor Roll, etc. till I visited your QRZ.com page.  very cool!  Cool

http://files.qrz.com/c/ni0c/DXCC6565.JPG

TNX, Rob.  I put up that picture to celebrate the 50th anniversary of that certificate (March 11, 1963).

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: DX award degree of difficulty?
Post by: N9KX on March 31, 2013, 12:40:09 PM
K9AIM wrote:
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Hey Chuck,

I had never seen the DXCC Award individual stamps for Honor Roll, etc. till I visited your QRZ.com page.  very cool!  Cool

http://files.qrz.com/c/ni0c/DXCC6565.JPG

TNX, Rob.  I put up that picture to celebrate the 50th anniversary of that certificate (March 11, 1963).

73,
Chuck  NI0C

i was only 11 months old at that time.  DX to me back then was the front door  ;D
looks like you are running out of room for stamps, although there cannot be many more to be had  ;D