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Title: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: KD8IWZ on April 03, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
I'm looking for suggestions/experience for an outdoor camera security system. Been thinking my antennas advertise I have some expensive electronics in the house. The criteria are for the best combination of:
1. cost
2. reliability
3. clear picture (day and night)
4. weatherproof (not weather resistant)
5. wireless
6. motion activated

I've looked online, lots are available, and all claim to be the best. I know my question might be kinda like "which is the best rig" , just hoping to get some reliable comments from your experiences.

Also, any thoughts on displaying the 'decals' that most systems offer? Just wondered if telling everyone they are on camera is good or bad advertising.

Thanks for all help, 73  Dale


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: TANAKASAN on April 04, 2013, 12:30:49 AM
Put up a sign on the gate saying DOBERMAN PUPS FOR SALE  :D

Tanakasan


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W5CPT on April 04, 2013, 05:06:22 AM
Out here in the country, one of the favorite security tricks is to put a muddy pair of size 16 boots on the porch, next to a 2 gallon dog dish (properly dented up) with the name Brutus on it. Then on the door, a note that says: “Bubba – don’t go in the house.  The dogs got the neighbor again and we have them locked up for a while. Me and Ralph went to the store to buy more ammo and will be right back.”

Seriously though – Multi camera recording security systems can be had from $300 at Harbor Freight, and for $400 to $1000 at Sam’s Club.  You can also get a “Game Camera” like the type used by hunters to photograph animals.  Some with an infrared flash  can be had in the $200 to $300 range.

As far as signs, I do not think it is a bad idea. While they will not stop the professional thief, they may deter the teenager who comes upon what appears to be an easy target.

Clint – W5CPT -


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K1CJS on April 04, 2013, 05:11:59 AM
There are also advertizements for a complete, monitored home security system--video and all available--for about "$2 a day" on TV.  I thing the system's name is Vivint.  The only problem with it is that those payments go on....  forever...


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W1JKA on April 04, 2013, 05:37:22 AM
   Post a couple conspicuous security surveillance signs with a couple fake cameras up high that can't be easily discerned if real or not.As an alternate you could sell your high end gear then buy a KX3 which could be easily hidden under Brutus's water bowl or inside Bubba's size 16 boots when you are away from home.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K9YLI on April 04, 2013, 06:34:19 AM
Think the   """other side of the coin""
The antennas  signify  hi-tech..  rados, motin detectors,  security  cameras,, internet linked  cameras,,
Not a likely target for a B and E  type. And  also  If known  as  'ham radio'  then the  B and E also knows   small market and closely  watched., No market to average  buyer/fence..

Maybe you antenna system  is the best security system, even if there were no radios   inside.



Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: SWMAN on April 04, 2013, 06:58:23 AM
 On my front door I have a large sticker that reads "Insured by Smith and Wesson" and out at the back door I have a sign that says" Protected by Smith and Wesson three nights a week, you guess which three" .  I have never had any problems at my home. When I get out of the truck every evening the S and W is on my belt. The neighborhood punks often see it with me close by. We have had several break ins in the neighborhood but thank God not me.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W5CPT on April 04, 2013, 07:59:58 AM
SWMAN – those signs are not a good idea.  In the unfortunate incident where you are forced to defend your family, home and property, those signs will be seen by the investigators.  The litigation will use them to show how you were ready to shoot anyone for any reason.   Alarm Signs are just as effective and cannot be used against you in court.  I am not saying to “Not keep a weapon ready”; I am just suggesting that you do not advertise the fact.

Clint – W5CPT -


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W1JKA on April 04, 2013, 08:30:26 AM
    Possible litigation is a none issue if you have successfully defended you own or family members life.However you may want to think twice about what value you put on property.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K8AXW on April 04, 2013, 09:10:23 AM
JKA:  I wrote a "Letter to the Editor" some time ago about defending property by lethal force.

I was taken to task by someone in a city about 200 miles from here, who admitted that she had bars on her windows and doors, that essentially expressed this same thought:

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However you may want to think twice about what value you put on property.

My response to her was, "That decision is for the thief to make, not mine." 

I didn't hear anymore from her.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: KF7GFL on April 04, 2013, 12:45:53 PM
W5CPT: Your note had me laughing so loudly that everyone in the office had to come and read it. Classic.

As for my security system: A 100-pound German Shepherd who barks at anything that moves. Door-to-door salespeople don't stick around too long when they see her trying to jump at them through the door. She is as gentle as can be once she gets to know you though.

I got the dog for my wife when I was travelling out of town a lot. There was a news story about how professional burglars are not afraid of alarms or alarm companies but will give a wide berth to a home with a dog. Even the small ones.

Matt - KF7GFL


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WB6DGN on April 04, 2013, 06:51:26 PM
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Possible litigation is a none issue if you have successfully defended you own or family members life.However you may want to think twice about what value you put on property.

I don't put much value on someone who tries to steal from me and the ONLY thing I'd put on someone who breaks into my house and harms my smaller dogs is a BOUNTY.
Tom


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: G3RZP on April 05, 2013, 04:33:28 AM
What is wrong is that when a lowlife breaks in with intent to harm and gets shot, the homeowner is not given the price of the cartridge by the state - who have saved a load of money by not having to keep said lowlife in jail.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: VE3FMC on April 05, 2013, 05:11:57 AM
I'm looking for suggestions/experience for an outdoor camera security system. Been thinking my antennas advertise I have some expensive electronics in the house. The criteria are for the best combination of:
1. cost
2. reliability
3. clear picture (day and night)
4. weatherproof (not weather resistant)
5. wireless
6. motion activated

I've looked online, lots are available, and all claim to be the best. I know my question might be kinda like "which is the best rig" , just hoping to get some reliable comments from your experiences.

Also, any thoughts on displaying the 'decals' that most systems offer? Just wondered if telling everyone they are on camera is good or bad advertising.

Thanks for all help, 73  Dale

I would tend to think that most idiots that are going to break into your house will not have a clue what the antenna are used for.

If you have insurance (you do have home owners insurance?) then your equipment would be replaced if it is stolen. It will be replaced with new radios etc.

I have had antennas up for 21 years and have not had any break ins.



Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: SWMAN on April 05, 2013, 07:05:06 AM
 I have no mercy or sympathy for any of the lowlifes that I see in my part of town. Most of the ones I am refering to wear hoodies and have their ugly pants hanging down to the middle of their ass. They think that they own the streets when they walk. Yes, I can put a price on protecting my family and yes even for my possessions if anyone was to break in or try and do something outside or anywere. They will be brought down in a heartbeat. And I hope that I will be reimbursed for the 357 shell that I had to waste on them. There is to much violence and bad things going on and I am getting real tired of it. Just my honest thoughts and opinion.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K8AXW on April 05, 2013, 10:08:57 AM
RZP & SWMAN:  I concur!  I feel that any pizza sheet that steals from someone else deserves anything they get. 


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: G3RZP on April 05, 2013, 01:32:26 PM
AXW,

Just remember I'm a woolly minded sandal wearing liberal...although some question the exact degree of 'liberal'.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: VE3FMC on April 06, 2013, 03:56:17 AM
I am glad I live in a good neighborhood.  ;) I live on a busy street but there is rarely any crime on my street. Been here since 1984 and have never had anything stolen. whether it be outside or inside.



Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K8AXW on April 06, 2013, 08:16:55 AM
FMC:  I'm also very fortunate in that respect too OM.  For the most part, the only crime we have in our town is from "outsiders."  This includes college kids from out of state, which did cause me one problem a few years ago, and the influx of people from the Baltimore area who has loved ones in one of the 3 local prisons. 



Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WB6DGN on April 06, 2013, 07:19:57 PM
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If you have insurance (you do have home owners insurance?) then your equipment would be replaced if it is stolen. It will be replaced with new radios etc.
I have had antennas up for 21 years and have not had any break ins.

VE3FMC,
You obviously have not had any dealings with insurance companies, at least in USA.  Here, one measures ones success in terms of minimizing ones loss; one never even dreams of "breaking even".  That "new radio" that you fantasize about will likely be the cheapest old beater that the insurance company can come up with and then, they'll want you to pay a hefty "deductable" on top of that.  And, as if that isn't enough, THEN they'll DROP YOUR COVERAGE without so much as a "have a nice day".
Tom


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: G3RZP on April 07, 2013, 01:39:37 AM
It seems most insurance companies are very loathe to pay up on genuine claims. When I was told that I could not replace my cooker until an assessor had been and that would be two weeks away, I told them what to do with their policy and cancelled.

They still have the impudence to telephone every so often to try to get me to insure the house and contents with them.....


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: VE3FMC on April 07, 2013, 05:24:34 AM
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If you have insurance (you do have home owners insurance?) then your equipment would be replaced if it is stolen. It will be replaced with new radios etc.
I have had antennas up for 21 years and have not had any break ins.

VE3FMC,
You obviously have not had any dealings with insurance companies, at least in USA.  Here, one measures ones success in terms of minimizing ones loss; one never even dreams of "breaking even".  That "new radio" that you fantasize about will likely be the cheapest old beater that the insurance company can come up with and then, they'll want you to pay a hefty "deductable" on top of that.  And, as if that isn't enough, THEN they'll DROP YOUR COVERAGE without so much as a "have a nice day".
Tom

Tom sorry to hear your insurance companies operate the way you described. I know how my insurance company operates, so I am not concerned.

I have "Replacement Cost" included in my home owners insurance. Meaning the company has to replace whatever was destroyed in a fire, or theft.

So they would not be replacing my radios with junkers, they would be replacing them with new radios. If the current radios I have were no longer manufactured then the radios would be replaced with current models.

Same goes for my contents of my home. Oh and the deductible is not huge either. Considering I have never had a home owners claim I doubt I would be dumped. I had a claim of $7000 for damage to my truck, I did not have to pay the $1000 deductible, and I am still insured by that company. Companies drop customers that are constantly putting in claims.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: N0YXB on April 07, 2013, 10:52:11 AM
I got a nice deal on a Samsung security system from TigerDirect.  Mine is not a wireless system, but those were available too.  I replaced my old system with the Samsung system and the difference is amazing.  I installed my original system because of a neighbor issue.  And it quickly resulted in the conviction of one of the neighborhood troublemakers for shooting at my house with a BB gun.  They don't dare tresspass anymore.  Money well spent.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WB6DGN on April 07, 2013, 02:16:03 PM
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Tom sorry to hear your insurance companies operate the way you described. I know how my insurance company operates, so I am not concerned.

Well, my information WAS second hand, based on information from others, mostly at work, as, in over 50 years I have never had to deal with one of those companies (I just KNOW I shouldn't be saying this!!), so I don't have all the details but they are people I consider to be reliable.
I was involved in an automobile accident, the other driver acknowledged responsibility, there was never any challenge to my claim and I STILL insist that I lost well over $2000 in that fiasco due to disagreement over the valid "replacement cost" of my vehicle, and it was a total loss not to mention the contents that "mysteriously" disappeared while in the storage yard.  And this after I freely acknowledged that I had no medical injuries in an effort to try to deal with the other driver in a fair manner.  So, its not very likely that my mind can be changed about dealing with the pit of snakes, er, insurance companies.

As for alarm systems, yes, I've used them.  I cancelled the service a couple years ago after an alarming (pun NOT intended) number of newspaper articles about police shooting the homeowner's dog/dogs because the wuss 'felt threatened".  For cryin' out loud, they're going onto the dog's property, dogs are territorial, dogs defend their territory, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE MADE! There are effective devices and techniques available to mitigate this hazard but NO, the wannabe cowboys would rather "play with their guns" at the expense of an innocent dog.  So I decided that my dogs were safer with the intruder than they were with the police and I got rid of the alarm system.  I now have the video surveillance type of system that doesn't notify anyone with the video sent to multiple locations so it cannot be lost if the equipment at the house is damaged and I'll have nice, clear pictures to turn over to the authorities while keeping my dogs safe.
Tom


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: VE3FMC on April 07, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Tom I do know of one ham up this way that put in a claim for $10,000 for a tower, rotor and beam that came down during a violent windstorm. the insurance company settled then cancelled his policy. But I am pretty sure it was not his first claim with them.

When my 2010 F-150 Super Crew was hit by a guy driving a stolen car my insurance company waved my $1000 deductible. My truck was legally parked on the side of a street and this clown came down the street, veered over onto the side the truck was parked on and ran head on into it. In no way was this accident my fault (actually my wife, she had the truck that day) The bill came to $7000 and my insurance company paid up and never contacted me at all during the repair, other than to tell me they were waving the deductible.

I have never really worried about break ins. I have never had anything stolen from my yard, my utility sheds. As I said maybe I live in a good neighborhood.  ;D Or it might be due to the fact I live on a very busy street.

Hey many years ago my parents didn't bother to lock their old farm house. But that was many many years ago when people were more honest.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W0DV on April 07, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
I try to be ready for the scum bag who tries to enter my home, and steal from me. The answer is a couple of friends of mine..SMITH, and WESSON.

Great pals


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: VE3FMC on April 08, 2013, 05:35:39 AM
I try to be ready for the scum bag who tries to enter my home, and steal from me. The answer is a couple of friends of mine..SMITH, and WESSON.

Great pals

Works great when you are home. (does not work in Canada, different laws)

 Most thieves, at least the smart ones wait until you are not home to break in.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: KD0REQ on April 08, 2013, 11:32:02 AM
if you already have a security system (like a honeywell based unit with low range RF senders) it is not a hard undertaking to put a door alarm and/or a movement alarm sender in a remote shack, along with a sticker on the door.  keep it locked.

there are two classes of burglar... the meth-head or punk who is rattling knobs and looking for concealed windows they can break... and the targeting professional crook who is going to get in no matter what.

the local police, Internet searches, etc. will help you defeat the knob rattlers and copper thieves.

big loud dogs and insurance riders will cover the latter.

I am staying out of the "large caliber" argument because there are risks on both sides.  however, I do have a 9mm in case society breaks down, etc.  do NOT have two years of dried peas, though.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W0DV on April 08, 2013, 07:26:07 PM
If my camera fails to alert me to an intruder, there is always my dog. In a pinch there is always lead poisoning via a projectile from a .357 magnum.
Unlike some hams, I have never been convicted of a felony, so I can legally own a firearm, and follow the laws of the state I live in, to protect myself, and my family.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W1JKA on April 09, 2013, 02:59:08 AM
    Open internet forums such as this are an excellent resource for potential home intruders/burglars to assess your home protection methods and thus plan accordingly."the element of surprise is......." Sun Tzu-The Art of War.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: AC4RD on April 09, 2013, 04:06:17 AM
You obviously have not had any dealings with insurance companies, at least in USA.  Here, one measures ones success in terms of minimizing ones loss; ...THEN they'll DROP YOUR COVERAGE without so much as a "have a nice day".

Tom, I've heard lots of horror stories like that, and it's obvious that some insurance companies really do stink.  But not all do:  I've been with USAA for all my insurance since I was a lad, and I've been extraordinarly pleased the few times I've needed their help.  They seem to go out of their way to be helpful.

A dozen years ago, my parents had some damage to their house, from a violent storm.  My father called USAA, and they said they'd get someone out to them as soon as possible--and to help with immediate needs, they sent an initial check by overnight express, so my parents could start the cleanup and repairs right away.

Just MHO, but USAA's customer service is as good as it gets!    --ken


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K1CJS on April 09, 2013, 05:19:38 AM
...Unlike some hams, I have never been convicted of a felony, so I can legally own a firearm, and follow the laws of the state I live in, to protect myself, and my family.

I've never been convicted of a felony either, yet I had to do handstands and go through all sorts of rigamarole to get mine.  The problem?  When I got divorced, for reasons unknown--because I never bothered her, my ex put a restraining order on me.  She had me arrested because I made a phone call to a mutual acquaintance--and she happened to be there and picked up the phone.  The charge was dismissed after a six month period when there were no further complaints--because I actually did not want to bother with her, but the police chief in my community still claimed that was the reason I couldn't be trusted with a LTC!  It took a lawyer and several tries before I finally got him overruled, and now, after the fact, he and I are friends.  Figure that one out!!!


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: KB2FCV on April 09, 2013, 11:42:43 AM
Get a dog, it's a great deterrent to thieves.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: W4AMP on April 09, 2013, 05:03:39 PM
Take a look at Sharx cameras. They work over wi-fi and each one is an individual little server.



Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WB6DGN on April 09, 2013, 11:02:06 PM
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As for alarm systems, yes, I've used them.  I cancelled the service a couple years ago after an alarming (pun NOT intended) number of newspaper articles about police shooting the homeowner's dog/dogs because the wuss 'felt threatened"

I am afraid I owe a sincere apology to the public safety personnel in my county for the rather incomplete and misleading post that I made regarding this issue.
As a friend who read my post (not a public safety person) pointed out, the wording I used in this post does not properly explain that I have never encountered anyone in any official capacity in my county that I would consider to be a threat, or harm in any way any animal, even strays.  My reference pertained only to random (mostly newspaper) articles from sources throughout the country and to a video purporting to show such an event but the community or location where this was claimed to have happened was not described.
Yes, I am an "animal person" and I do dote over my dogs (probably) to an extreme.  I have no other family left and those dogs bring me more happiness that I could even begin to explain to someone who doesn't share my feelings for animals.  And, yes, I'll admit that I am overprotective of them so I do fear some of these unlikely possibilities but I had no intention for my comments to come across the way they apparently did.
For that I sincerely apologise and ask the moderator to remove my previous comment as it does not correctly reflect my opinion.
Tom


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: N0YXB on April 11, 2013, 08:55:19 AM
But what you describe does happen.  Not that long ago in Missouri, a police officer was looking for a suspect (not a felon) and surprised a dog who was in his own backyard, and not involved in any way with the guy they were looking for.  The dog was shot and died.  I've read several stories like this unfortunately.  I am not anti-law enforcement, but like any other occupation, they have their share of less than stellar employees...


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: AD6KA on April 11, 2013, 12:04:50 PM
Laws vary from state to state, but in most states
it is unlawful to use lethal force to protect property.
Sure, if the robber is carrying a weapon that changes things.

But %99 of residential burglaries:
Happen during the day when no one is home.
(The burglars check to see that no one is home).

Are of the "Smash & Grab" variety: get the high
value, easy to sell electronics: DVD players, stereo
components, jewelry,etc. I really don't think they will take the time
to figure out how to unhook your ham gear and take it.
They want to be in and out in under 2 minutes.
(Pretty hard to run fast and look inconspicuous while
carrying a 60-70 pound legal limit amp!)
It will be hard for them to sell *quickly*. Chances are their
"fence" will not want any ham radio gear.

The "Smash & Grab" burglars make it a point NOT
to carry weapons.
They know that this will increase their
charges tremendously when they are caught.

It's sad, and I DON'T agree with it, but the fact is that if you
shoot a kid in the back running out the door with your cable
box, and he ends up dead or a paraplegic, he or his family
will sue you and most likely win damages. (And the crook's attorney will
argue that your cute "Protected by Smith & Wesson" and
"Burglars: Nothing In This House Is Worth Your Life!" stickers
in your windows indicate a propensity for violence/ armed confrontation
on your part.) Like I said, I don't agree with it, but I read
the papers and have read about homeowners losing their homes
over shooting burglars.

Or, at best, your legal fees will put a significant
dent in your retirement savings.

I am not particularly liberal. I am not anti-gun, I am
a responsible gun owner and very cognizant of the legal and
moral repercussions of using them to protect property.
I am also cognizant of the FACT that having a firearm in
my home greatly increases the odds that someone in my home
will become a *victim* of that firearm rather than protecting
me from violence. That is a Constitutional choice I have made.
I do have good insurance and a very good and very expensive security system.
Property, THINGS, can be replaced. Lives cannot.
Just something to think about....

73 and God Bless, Ken  AD6KA


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WB6DGN on April 11, 2013, 01:40:57 PM
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But what you describe does happen.

Oh yes!  My decision to cancel my security system was based on numerous articles and stories passed around animal welfare sites describing exactly that type of incident or worse.  My apology was intended to point out that I am not aware of anything like that taking place in MY COMMUNITY and my experience with our local emergency people has been nothing but positive.


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The "Smash & Grab" burglars make it a point NOT to carry weapons.

The most recent article that I read in the newspaper and one that gave me the greatest distress about what to do described an apartment burglary (this was in an adjoining city to mine) where the intruder encountered a dog IN A CRATE (so it could be no threat to the burglar) YET HE FOUND IT NECESSARY TO STAB THE DOG WHICH WAS UNABLE TO DEFEND ITSELF.  Thankfully the poor dog survived that attack but why did the dog have to be harmed when it couldn't interfere with the burglar?
This is also one reason why I do not believe in keeping a gun in the house.
1.  If an intruder breaks in while I'm home, I don't need a gun.
2.  If an intruder breaks in while I'm away, he will find the gun and take it and, if I'm really unlucky, I'll return home while he's still there and he'll use the gun on ME.  Either way, a no win!
So, they may not carry weapons but they sure know where to get them when they want them.  Good thing for that dog that the resident didn't have a gun; the dog would have been dead from a gunshot, no doubt in my mind!
Tom


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K8AXW on April 11, 2013, 09:13:05 PM
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1.  If an intruder breaks in while I'm home, I don't need a gun.

Tom, no offense meant, but that is one hellova assumption!  One that you are betting your life on! 

Once again, no offense meant, but it's apparent that you're not very well up on the daily news from around the nation.



Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WB6DGN on April 11, 2013, 09:54:40 PM
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Tom, no offense meant, but that is one hellova assumption!  One that you are betting your life on! 

I gotta admit, I had to laugh when I read my comment out of context.  Sounded kinda "rambo like", didn't it?  Actually nothing was further from my mind.  What I did mean was that an intruder would be outnumbered five to one when I'm home.  Four dogs and me!  One being an Akita with a bite that WILL break bones.  I'm sure that my role would be fairly minor but I will try to keep things fair by trying to keep the weapons out of the "other guy's" hands.  Duke can handle the rest with a little help from his "little buddies".
While there might have been a time when things were different, today, at 70, I'll leave the "heavy lifting" to my "bed partners".
Tom


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: K1CJS on April 12, 2013, 04:58:31 AM
Had to smile when I read your post, Tom.  I've got a Pomeranian/Chihuahua mix that surprised an invader one night in my yard.  He heard something and was out the doggie door before I could even look.  When I did get outside, all I heard was running feet, and my little friend was there at the edge of the driveway barking his head off!  (He weighs all of 12 pounds!)  I guess it was just a prowler looking for something quick and easy, but word got around, and now my little guy has a reputation of sorts!  (I don't, however, kid myself on his chances with a real determined burglar.)

Added--Oh, BTW, if someone has a gun at home and doesn't have it in a lockable quick access 'safe', they deserve what they may get.  That's the way I have mine.  I can get it in under a minute, while a burglar would have to know to look for the safe then get it open.
____________

On another note, there have been quite a few alarm system monitoring cancellations in my area because of one thing.  The policy of the police department in my area.  They allow one false alarm now then they start billing the homeowner at $100 a pop.  If they find nothing with a cursory investigation by the patrol officer, they consider it a false alarm no matter if you have evidence it wasn't.  Of course, Massachusetts is regaining it's old title--Taxachusetts--simply because of things like that, namely the state and local government finding more ways to drain the citizen's wallet.  


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: AD6KA on April 12, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
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On another note, there have been quite a few alarm system monitoring cancellations in my area because of one thing.  The policy of the police department in my area.  They allow one false alarm now then they start billing the homeowner at $100 a pop.  If they find nothing with a cursory investigation by the patrol officer, they consider it a false alarm no matter if you have evidence it wasn't.


We have that here in L.A. too. Time was, you got two passes
a year, now you only get one.
They're $85 a pop and not
unreasonable if you think about it. We have a "Disarm system
while under duress" code, which sends out a silent alarm signal to
the Police Department. I have entered this by mistake after
coming home after working an 11 hour graveyard shift.
Really embarrassing, but quite impressive how quickly the cops
got here and how stealthily they got into a tactical position
to approach the residence.

I still think it's worth the $85.

Another feature I like about our system is the "Panic Button".
This is terrific, especially for my wife. All she has to do it hit
it once and all hell breaks loose. Police come, Fire Department comes,
everybody. Two VERY loud sirens inside and two outside.
Inside, it's so loud you can't even hear yourself think.

And it's all backed up by two sealed 7 amp/hr batteries in parallel,
which last for days, even with the sirens going. I know this
as fact. My XYL and I were on Grand Cayman during the 1994
Northridge Earthquake, epicenter 6 miles from our QTH.
Busted up the place pretty bad, and over 300 feet of cinder block wall came down.
We could not get a flight out for days, but my relatives got
to our home 36 hours after the quake and the sirens
were still going strong. My poor neighboors suffered for it, but were
nice enough to come over and turn off our gas and power.
(Power was out anyway, but still a very wise precaution).

One of my neighbors, a Vietnam Vet, put up a sign on the
entrance to our cul-de-sac which read "Looters Shot On Site"
and "No Lookie Loo's". He then sat on his front porch in a rocking
chair with his Ruger Mini 14. Sweet. :D
Ken,  AD6KA


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: KB5FLA on April 13, 2013, 07:57:24 PM
You get what you pay for in cameras, recording devices, etc. The 8 camera systems for a few hundred may not be reliable when you need them. I installed Axis brand cameras for out side use and paid about $450 each for them. Power over Ethernet, great contrast, well built etc. Have been bullet proof for almost a year. So look at what the pro installers use if you really need a reliable system. I also have two Dropcams and they are fantastic for a cheap and easy to install units for inside use. They are my back up system. Got serious about all this after having my computer and several other things stolen from by car as it sat in my garage. Caught the thief with software on my computer that sent me photos of them and the location they were using my laptop. Police loved.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: BASSMAN12350 on April 23, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
CostCo seems to advertise multi-camera security systems fairly often and these seem decent,  usually including a hard disk recorder or similar.  They are also reasonably priced.


Title: RE: security system for the home/shack?
Post by: WA2ASB on April 27, 2013, 08:32:54 PM
I agree with KB5FLA; the way to go is with Axis especially if you are going to be away from the house for awhile.  Back in 2008 before moving to China I installed Axis in the front and in the rear.  Panasonic also makes a decent one, but I like the firmware on Axis better.

You are able to set a schedule when the motion detector is active.  Unfortunately, while I was in China, the pool guy came on the wrong day.  I got over 800 e-mails before Verizon shut me down for 24 hours thinking I was sending out spam.

The other thing I did was to put a dialer in parallel with my doorbell.  So if anyone rang my doorbell, it would call me on my cell phone and I could view them and talk to them just as if I was in the house.

Now it is a mute point because I'm retired and the only time I ever get out of the house is to go to the grocery store once a week.

Oh, the camera viewing and positioning on Android phones is much better than on the iPhones.  Back when I had an iPhone I could look at the camera output, but I couldn't reposition it.  They may have fixed it by now, but I doubt if I'll ever go back to Apple anything (other than the iPod because I need it for telemetry on my model car, which reminds me: I need to charge the batteries on it if I'm going to play in the backyard tomorrow).