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Title: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 03, 2013, 07:09:08 PM
Downloaded the update. Started the install on my Win7 64 bit machine. Popped the top on a cold Shiner. Next thing you know, it was time to reboot. Barely got two sips in. Restart, turn on Flex 3000. Sip. Drivers loaded, optimization started. Sip. Start 2.6.4. Firmware update. Sip. Done. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4, and a brand new radio. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4. Enjoy.

Really? Could Flex possibly allow us at least time to enjoy one whole beer during the upgrade?

Good job.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: W4HIJ on May 03, 2013, 09:16:24 PM
Well I don't partake in those type of chilled beverages myself but the fact that  about half the time I forget to run SDR data transfer before cleaning the old version off my HD is enough to drive me to drink! :o Not Flex's fault though.  Another nicely done set of improvements, especially the ones pertaining to my 1500.
73,
Michael


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 05:45:58 AM
Downloaded the update. Started the install on my Win7 64 bit machine. Popped the top on a cold Shiner. Next thing you know, it was time to reboot. Barely got two sips in. Restart, turn on Flex 3000. Sip. Drivers loaded, optimization started. Sip. Start 2.6.4. Firmware update. Sip. Done. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4, and a brand new radio. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4. Enjoy.

Really? Could Flex possibly allow us at least time to enjoy one whole beer during the upgrade?

Good job.
  I certainly enjoy using my Flex 1500. And this version of PowerSDR seems to be working
just fine. BUT, I have a question, I keep reading the statement" it's like getting a brand new
radio". Not to be a party pooper, but, how is this version, or even the previous version, of
PowerSDR like getting a brand new radio? In the case of the 1500 the Spectrum display is
centered. like it should have been all along. There are no new "FEATURES" or abilities added
to the radio/PowerSDR. And from the list of changes, just minor bug fixes.
Basically, my Flex 1500 works just like it has all along. (just fine) But, nothing new to brag
about. Now, if it had suddenly changed into a Flex 6500, that would be something to brag
about!  :D
  To me a brand new radio is one that has features that are different and an improvement
from what I have had before. Example, I have and still have, a Yaesu FT-890AT. A very
nice radio that preforms really well. Last year, I bought a Yaesu FT-1000MP MK V. I much
better preforming radio! Lots of difference between the two. Yet, they are both from the
same manufacturer. The MK V has features that the 890 doesn't. That to me is having a
new radio. (and in this case, one I have wanted a long time)
 So, it would be interesting to know, not only from you, but, other Flex users, what is it
that getting an update to PowerSDR that makes your radio a new radio!
james
WD5GWY

(stirring the pot)
 


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: SWL2002 on May 04, 2013, 06:35:52 AM
James is right on.  These Flex guys are so brainwashed by Flex's marking nonsense that they actually believe that bug fixes are new features and that is like having a new radio.  It is also interesting that there are just as many guys on the Flex reflector reporting bad upgrade experiences with the latest PowerSDR.  Go figure! 

I have a Flex 5000, and while I appreciated the long awaited bug fixes, they are bugs that should have not been there in the first place in an official non-beta release.  It is not like getting a new radio, it is like getting a fixed radio.

Flex started the "its like getting a new radio" marketing blurb a long while back and guys took it hook line and sinker!  They are like parrots.  Good for Flex marketing, embarrassing for them.

-robert


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: W4HIJ on May 04, 2013, 07:55:51 AM
Downloaded the update. Started the install on my Win7 64 bit machine. Popped the top on a cold Shiner. Next thing you know, it was time to reboot. Barely got two sips in. Restart, turn on Flex 3000. Sip. Drivers loaded, optimization started. Sip. Start 2.6.4. Firmware update. Sip. Done. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4, and a brand new radio. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4. Enjoy.

Really? Could Flex possibly allow us at least time to enjoy one whole beer during the upgrade?

Good job.
  I certainly enjoy using my Flex 1500. And this version of PowerSDR seems to be working
just fine. BUT, I have a question, I keep reading the statement" it's like getting a brand new
radio". Not to be a party pooper, but, how is this version, or even the previous version, of
PowerSDR like getting a brand new radio? In the case of the 1500 the Spectrum display is
centered. like it should have been all along. There are no new "FEATURES" or abilities added
to the radio/PowerSDR. And from the list of changes, just minor bug fixes.
Basically, my Flex 1500 works just like it has all along. (just fine) But, nothing new to brag
about. Now, if it had suddenly changed into a Flex 6500, that would be something to brag
about!  :D
  To me a brand new radio is one that has features that are different and an improvement
from what I have had before. Example, I have and still have, a Yaesu FT-890AT. A very
nice radio that preforms really well. Last year, I bought a Yaesu FT-1000MP MK V. I much
better preforming radio! Lots of difference between the two. Yet, they are both from the
same manufacturer. The MK V has features that the 890 doesn't. That to me is having a
new radio. (and in this case, one I have wanted a long time)
 So, it would be interesting to know, not only from you, but, other Flex users, what is it
that getting an update to PowerSDR that makes your radio a new radio!
james
WD5GWY

(stirring the pot)
 
James,
I kind of figure that phrase to be overused a bit now too. Earlier in the life of PSDR when new features like the TNF were being added on a regular basis, then I felt more like I was getting a new radio. The thing to remember though is the fact that things CAN be corrected. In the past if a radio had a real or perceived  design flaw, you were pretty much stuck even with the ones you could flash an EEPROM with.You're relating a pretty good jump with your example of an FT-890AT to a FT-1000MP  MK V. I think more along the lines of when I had a Yaesu FT-450 and then they released a " new improved" FT-450D that corrected all the things users found wrong on the original. It is kind of a bummer when you walk out of HRO with your brand new radio only to find out a few months later that the manufacturer is releasing a "D" model. Just my thoughts.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 04, 2013, 08:47:34 AM
James is right on.  These Flex guys are so brainwashed by Flex's marking nonsense that they actually believe that bug fixes are new features and that is like having a new radio.  It is also interesting that there are just as many guys on the Flex reflector reporting bad upgrade experiences with the latest PowerSDR.  Go figure! 

I have a Flex 5000, and while I appreciated the long awaited bug fixes, they are bugs that should have not been there in the first place in an official non-beta release.  It is not like getting a new radio, it is like getting a fixed radio.

Flex started the "its like getting a new radio" marketing blurb a long while back and guys took it hook line and sinker!  They are like parrots.  Good for Flex marketing, embarrassing for them.

-robert

I bet that "Flex 5000" is a big hit on ch. 6


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: W4HIJ on May 04, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
James is right on.  These Flex guys are so brainwashed by Flex's marking nonsense that they actually believe that bug fixes are new features and that is like having a new radio.  It is also interesting that there are just as many guys on the Flex reflector reporting bad upgrade experiences with the latest PowerSDR.  Go figure! 

I have a Flex 5000, and while I appreciated the long awaited bug fixes, they are bugs that should have not been there in the first place in an official non-beta release.  It is not like getting a new radio, it is like getting a fixed radio.

Flex started the "its like getting a new radio" marketing blurb a long while back and guys took it hook line and sinker!  They are like parrots.  Good for Flex marketing, embarrassing for them.

-robert

I bet that "Flex 5000" is a big hit on ch. 6
You should do yourself a favor and put " robert" on ignore as I've done. I do find it interesting he cherry picks a few instances from the Flex reflector of folks having upgrade issues. What he neglects to tell everyone is that all of the upgrade issues are usually some sort of human error on the users part and are quickly resolved.  In fact, I haven't seen one go for more than an hour or two so far without being resolved. Wouldn't do to relate that though. Might get in the way of the good old agenda.
73,
Michael W4HIJ


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 04, 2013, 09:32:22 AM
A new release of software to configure a "Software Defined Radio" does indeed constitute a "new radio" by virtue of the "radio" being "defined" by the new "software".


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
A new release of software to configure a "Software Defined Radio" does indeed constitute a "new radio" by virtue of the "radio" being "defined" by the new "software".
Really? As I understand software revision etc., going from 2.5.3 to 2.6.4 is an incremental
update,as in bug fixes etc. not new features and not a new version. Were it a new version
it would be 3.*.* indicating a version with new FEATURES (and probably new bugs as well  :D )
 It still falls short of creating a NEW RADIO by adding new features and functionality. To me,
that is the bottom line for a new radio. Getting something that has features and functions that
the previous radio/version did not have.
  As I said in my previous post, my 1500 still works exactly as it did prior to this version of
PowerSDR. The ONLY noticeable difference is the spectrum display where the IF indicator is now
centered. And according to Tim Ellison (Flex radio developer) that particular bug only effected
the Flex 1500 and not the 3000 or 5000. And that is in itself, not a new feature, but, a correction
of a programming fault(bug).
  If simply refreshing the software and firmware of a radio like the Flex created a new radio, then
Flex couldn't build and sell them fast enough. Especially since PowerSDR is free. (and open source) After all, hams are noted for being miserly. Free has always been one of my favorites!
So, still I'm not convinced that getting an incremental update of the firmware and software(PowerSDR) creates a new radio. When Flex adds RTTY decode/send, JT65 decode/send
or other digital modes with no other hardware/software needed to make it work to PowerSDR, then I'll be convinced that I have indeed gotten a new radio. ;D
james
WD5GWY
   


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 10:18:52 AM

James,
I kind of figure that phrase to be overused a bit now too. Earlier in the life of PSDR when new features like the TNF were being added on a regular basis, then I felt more like I was getting a new radio. The thing to remember though is the fact that things CAN be corrected. In the past if a radio had a real or perceived  design flaw, you were pretty much stuck even with the ones you could flash an EEPROM with.You're relating a pretty good jump with your example of an FT-890AT to a FT-1000MP  MK V. I think more along the lines of when I had a Yaesu FT-450 and then they released a " new improved" FT-450D that corrected all the things users found wrong on the original. It is kind of a bummer when you walk out of HRO with your brand new radio only to find out a few months later that the manufacturer is releasing a "D" model. Just my thoughts.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
Michael, you are correct. My comparison between the 890AT and the MK V is a bit much. Your example is much better and closer to reality. And it strikes closer to what the version/incremental
updates to PowerSDR currently are. ( 2.5.3 to 2.6.4) In your example, things were corrected either in hardware or if possible firmware. (I don't know if the 450 could be flashed to the D version or not) But, it did not add features to the 450 line as far as I know. I had a friend that had a similar experience with the 450 to yours. He had just bought a 450 and not long afterwards the 450D came along. He wasn't real happy, but, he wanted a 450 and got it. (later sold his radio and got a 450D)
  Anyway, I am enjoying this discussion and hope it continues without any flaming. That was not my intention. I simply wanted to know how adding new firmware and software that added no new
features and functions that were not available in a previous version of PowerSDR, could be considered getting a new radio.
james
WD5GWY
   


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 10:28:01 AM
One thing that I failed to mention, is the addition of new bands for European hams.
For them, that is getting a new radio. They still have to jump thru some hoops to get
that part of the upgrade/update working. But, at least they now have access to the
spectrum allotted to them.
james
WD5GWY
 


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: SWL2002 on May 04, 2013, 12:40:23 PM
James is right on.  These Flex guys are so brainwashed by Flex's marking nonsense that they actually believe that bug fixes are new features and that is like having a new radio.  It is also interesting that there are just as many guys on the Flex reflector reporting bad upgrade experiences with the latest PowerSDR.  Go figure! 

I have a Flex 5000, and while I appreciated the long awaited bug fixes, they are bugs that should have not been there in the first place in an official non-beta release.  It is not like getting a new radio, it is like getting a fixed radio.

Flex started the "its like getting a new radio" marketing blurb a long while back and guys took it hook line and sinker!  They are like parrots.  Good for Flex marketing, embarrassing for them.

-robert

I bet that "Flex 5000" is a big hit on ch. 6

Why, do you operate there?  You seem to have the CBer mentality, that's for sure.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 04, 2013, 12:47:08 PM
A new release of software to configure a "Software Defined Radio" does indeed constitute a "new radio" by virtue of the "radio" being "defined" by the new "software".
Really? As I understand software revision etc., going from 2.5.3 to 2.6.4 is an incremental
update,as in bug fixes etc. not new features and not a new version. Were it a new version
it would be 3.*.* indicating a version with new FEATURES (and probably new bugs as well  :D )
 It still falls short of creating a NEW RADIO by adding new features and functionality. To me,
that is the bottom line for a new radio. Getting something that has features and functions that
the previous radio/version did not have.
  As I said in my previous post, my 1500 still works exactly as it did prior to this version of
PowerSDR. The ONLY noticeable difference is the spectrum display where the IF indicator is now
centered. And according to Tim Ellison (Flex radio developer) that particular bug only effected
the Flex 1500 and not the 3000 or 5000. And that is in itself, not a new feature, but, a correction
of a programming fault(bug).
  If simply refreshing the software and firmware of a radio like the Flex created a new radio, then
Flex couldn't build and sell them fast enough. Especially since PowerSDR is free. (and open source) After all, hams are noted for being miserly. Free has always been one of my favorites!
So, still I'm not convinced that getting an incremental update of the firmware and software(PowerSDR) creates a new radio. When Flex adds RTTY decode/send, JT65 decode/send
or other digital modes with no other hardware/software needed to make it work to PowerSDR, then I'll be convinced that I have indeed gotten a new radio. ;D
james
WD5GWY
   

2.6.4 does add new features and functionality.

Added new 60m band segments for radios TURFed for UK_Plus
60m band allocation added for Sweden
Modified 160 and 6m bands for radios TURFed for Italy
Modified 11 and 10m bands for radios TURFed for Russia
Modified 6m band for radios TURFed for France
1500: RX passband is now centered in the middle of the Panadapter with default DB
CAT: Increased the maximum CAT port baud rate to 115.2k
Console: CHU frequencies now added to WWV bandstack
Installer: Option added to uninstall process to remove databases for “clean” uninstall
Profiles: Added FLEX-1500 Blanking time and Mic Boost to Transmit Profiles
Setup: Added a feature to capture the current VFO-A frequency for Frequency Calibration test
Added Feature to modify color and line width for the UK/Sweden 60m band segment indicator


New features. New functionality. New radio.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 04, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
James is right on.  These Flex guys are so brainwashed by Flex's marking nonsense that they actually believe that bug fixes are new features and that is like having a new radio.  It is also interesting that there are just as many guys on the Flex reflector reporting bad upgrade experiences with the latest PowerSDR.  Go figure! 

I have a Flex 5000, and while I appreciated the long awaited bug fixes, they are bugs that should have not been there in the first place in an official non-beta release.  It is not like getting a new radio, it is like getting a fixed radio.

Flex started the "its like getting a new radio" marketing blurb a long while back and guys took it hook line and sinker!  They are like parrots.  Good for Flex marketing, embarrassing for them.

-robert

I bet that "Flex 5000" is a big hit on ch. 6

Why, do you operate there?  You seem to have the CBer mentality, that's for sure.

Really? Seems you are the one emulating the guy who sits on ch19 harassing truckdrivers while cowering behind a meaningless moniker.

Who are you hiding from?


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 02:05:24 PM

2.6.4 does add new features and functionality.

Added new 60m band segments for radios TURFed for UK_Plus
60m band allocation added for Sweden
Modified 160 and 6m bands for radios TURFed for Italy
Modified 11 and 10m bands for radios TURFed for Russia
Modified 6m band for radios TURFed for France
1500: RX passband is now centered in the middle of the Panadapter with default DB
CAT: Increased the maximum CAT port baud rate to 115.2k
Console: CHU frequencies now added to WWV bandstack
Installer: Option added to uninstall process to remove databases for “clean” uninstall
Profiles: Added FLEX-1500 Blanking time and Mic Boost to Transmit Profiles
Setup: Added a feature to capture the current VFO-A frequency for Frequency Calibration test
Added Feature to modify color and line width for the UK/Sweden 60m band segment indicator


New features. New functionality. New radio.
Ok, I give up!!!  :D
I guess the built in digital modes is too much to ask!
james
WD5GWY


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: AF4RK on May 04, 2013, 02:41:40 PM
Actually, I was quite pleased with the update to my 1500. I like the new centered display

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 04, 2013, 03:19:34 PM
Exactly which digital modes would you have as a starter? Would this include SSTV modes? Which ones? How many variations of MFSK?

Tell us what you would want as a baseline integration of digi modes..


The reality is that free software such as FLDIGI readily covers all of this. Why build it into PSDR? What is the advantage? Is Flex to be responsible for updating the integrated digi modes to cover every possible permutation or new mode o' the day at the risk of being flamed? Other than the obvious opportunity to have something irrelevant to grouse about and perpetuate the gratuitous and unfounded anti-Flex silliness, demanding Flex incorporate digi codecs is a bad idea. No point in it.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
Exactly which digital modes would you have as a starter? Would this include SSTV modes? Which ones? How many variations of MFSK?

Tell us what you would want as a baseline integration of digi modes..


The reality is that free software such as FLDIGI readily covers all of this. Why build it into PSDR? What is the advantage? Is Flex to be responsible for updating the integrated digi modes to cover every possible permutation or new mode o' the day at the risk of being flamed? Other than the obvious opportunity to have something irrelevant to grouse about and perpetuate the gratuitous and unfounded anti-Flex silliness, demanding Flex incorporate digi codecs is a bad idea. No point in it.


Ok, maybe you didn't catch the Smiley with my last post. What I was trying to say and obviously failing to do so, is other than the Centered display, there is/was nothing new in this incremental
update to PowerSDR, that would justify calling it a "new radio". At least as far as "I" can tell.
The things you mentioned, do not alter the operation of the radio itself, or add new functions or features. Certainly not on the same level as the TNF that was added quite some time ago. THAT, to me, is an added feature. And one worthy of saying, "it's like having a new radio".
And I am by no means perpetuating any anti-Flex silliness. I asked an honest question and it seems that there are those that think I was being anti-Flex in asking it. That is far from the truth.
And as I said, in another post, it does have updates for UK users that would justify using the phrase "like having a new radio". But, that does nothing for the rest of us.
 My statements about digital modes being built in was made in jest. Again, note the Smiley.
I wasn't demanding anything from Flex at all. Not everyone who asks questions about statements made are Flex bashers. I didn't think anyone would take what I said personally. No reason to.
 james
WD5GWY
 


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 04, 2013, 04:18:49 PM
Us Flex Fanboys don't cotton to anybody talkin' smack..


So, whether or not 2.6.4 represents a "new radio" is contingent upon geographical location? Seems as if the "not new radio" argument is crumbling..


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 04, 2013, 04:53:43 PM
Us Flex Fanboys don't cotton to anybody talkin' smack..


So, whether or not 2.6.4 represents a "new radio" is contingent upon geographical location? Seems as if the "not new radio" argument is crumbling..

Only crumbles if you are in Europe. Here in the good ol' USA, it's not crumbled a bit.
 :D
You fanboy you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
james
WD5GWY


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: W4HIJ on May 05, 2013, 01:02:11 AM
Well whether or not I got a new radio or not with the last upgrade, my 1500 is still the best bang for the buck out there! I've actually forgotten what it was like to have to listen to the crummy substandard RX's that the Japanese companies put in their low end rigs! I've owned a lot of the "big threes" low end and medium range rigs over the years and during my years in the retail end of the ham radio biz, I got to play with a lot of their high end stuff as well. My little 1500 sounds as good or better than the high end Japanese radios I remember. Oops....fanboy alert! I guess the moral is that if you make a good rig you will have fanboys...and girls.... :D :D As I've said many times though,enjoy what you like, no one forces you to buy any particular brand of radio. There are some guys out there who get their kicks refurbishing old Heathkits, Hallicrafters and Collins. No my cup of tea but if that's what they like I'm certainly not going to constantly try to shout down and belittle them on a public forum.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: SWL2002 on May 05, 2013, 06:26:58 AM
Well whether or not I got a new radio or not with the last upgrade, my 1500 is still the best bang for the buck out there! I've actually forgotten what it was like to have to listen to the crummy substandard RX's that the Japanese companies put in their low end rigs! I've owned a lot of the "big threes" low end and medium range rigs over the years and during my years in the retail end of the ham radio biz, I got to play with a lot of their high end stuff as well. My little 1500 sounds as good or better than the high end Japanese radios I remember. Oops....fanboy alert! I guess the moral is that if you make a good rig you will have fanboys...and girls.... :D :D As I've said many times though,enjoy what you like, no one forces you to buy any particular brand of radio. There are some guys out there who get their kicks refurbishing old Heathkits, Hallicrafters and Collins. No my cup of tea but if that's what they like I'm certainly not going to constantly try to shout down and belittle them on a public forum.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ

Seems like the only one shouting or belittling here is you.  I posted my experiences with my Flex 5000 and you jumped right in here accusing me of a lot of things.  This is not Amateur Radio like gentlemanly conduct on your part.

-robert


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K9ZW on May 05, 2013, 09:22:12 AM

Seems like the only one shouting or belittling here is you.  I posted my experiences with my Flex 5000 and you jumped right in here accusing me of a lot of things.  This is not Amateur Radio like gentlemanly conduct on your part.

-robert

Posting how your first hand personal experiences with upgrading to PowerSDR 2.6.4 would make you a contributor to a thread discussing the software upgrade.

The rest of what you post doesn't begin to meet the standards you suddenly seem to have become aware of.

Again how did your upgrade to 2.6.4 go?  

73

Steve
K9ZW


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: WD5GWY on May 05, 2013, 09:45:41 AM
Well whether or not I got a new radio or not with the last upgrade, my 1500 is still the best bang for the buck out there! I've actually forgotten what it was like to have to listen to the crummy substandard RX's that the Japanese companies put in their low end rigs! I've owned a lot of the "big threes" low end and medium range rigs over the years and during my years in the retail end of the ham radio biz, I got to play with a lot of their high end stuff as well. My little 1500 sounds as good or better than the high end Japanese radios I remember. Oops....fanboy alert! I guess the moral is that if you make a good rig you will have fanboys...and girls.... :D :D As I've said many times though,enjoy what you like, no one forces you to buy any particular brand of radio. There are some guys out there who get their kicks refurbishing old Heathkits, Hallicrafters and Collins. No my cup of tea but if that's what they like I'm certainly not going to constantly try to shout down and belittle them on a public forum.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
That is exactly how I feel. If a person enjoys what they use then more power to them.
And I really do like my 1500. And like you, feel that it is one of the best "bang for the buck"
radios out there. I have two radios that I can say the receivers in them are comparable with
the 1500, one the Yaesu FT-1000MP MKV and the other a TenTec Jupiter. The Jupiter has
a larger range of filtering built-in than the MKV. But, the MK V with the addition of other filters
really shines on receive. And it has dual, independent receivers. BUT, only has a single (CW)
extra filter slot for the second receiver. What I really like about the 1500 is the receiver and the
filtering. People having not used one think the term "Brick Wall" filtering is a marketing thing.
BUT, it really is just that, brick wall. The only thing that it will not handle, and no other radio
available to the Amateur community can do either, is reject a signal inside of the passband.
Not talking about notching out a tuner upper, but, another phone signal. (like in a contest where one station is trying to talk over another) If someone were to ever make a radio that was able to
do that, it would cost a fortune. It could possibly be done with Digital Voice. (if all signals were
Digital Voice) Then software could be written that could choose one over the other.
But, that would probably be much too expensive to the average user. That's when I do what I
have done in the past and use the filter between my ears and attempt (not always 100% successful)to hear the station I want to hear and ignore the rest. Not easy, but, it can be done.
(ask any rare DX station about that!)
   As for belittling people on public forums for their choice of equipment, it's not just in Amateur radio forums that happens. I used to be into woodworking and some of those forums can be just
as brutal if you are not using name brand equipment to produce something. Post a photo of a project and not mention equipment use to make it and you'll get all kinds of positive comments. But, add that you did it with a low cost table saw, then you'll be told how your work would be
better if you used a top of the line cabinet saw.  People being people seems to be the norm in
most forums and people don't want to think a person could make something as good as they did without spending a ton of money for the best of the best.
  Personally, I'm glad there are choices in equipment in Amateur radio. And think it's great we have as many as we do. Besides all that, it is rare that the person on the other end of a QSO can
tell what radio you are using. (if it's set up properly) Using the three radios I mentioned, I have
had people that know me on the air, ask which radio I'm on. I say, guess, and they rarely get it
right. The only clue is with the 1500 and the fact that my signal strength is not as strong as the
other two. Audio quality etc. no difference. (I take the time to set up my radios as best as I can get them) And there have been more than one time when I have been running the 1500 when
someone in the group I talk to, said I was not running the 1500 because my signal strength was
59+ ! Propagation is the big equalizer in that case!
james
WD5GWY


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: SWL2002 on May 05, 2013, 12:00:50 PM

Seems like the only one shouting or belittling here is you.  I posted my experiences with my Flex 5000 and you jumped right in here accusing me of a lot of things.  This is not Amateur Radio like gentlemanly conduct on your part.

-robert

Posting how your first hand personal experiences with upgrading to PowerSDR 2.6.4 would make you a contributor to a thread discussing the software upgrade.

The rest of what you post doesn't begin to meet the standards you suddenly seem to have become aware of.

Again how did your upgrade to 2.6.4 go?  

73

Steve
K9ZW


You know, no wonder the anti-Flex crowd dislike you guys so much.  You are JUST AS GUILTY of jumping on anyone who says something negative about their experience with Flex Radios.  Unless it is a glowing, over the top review of Flex's stuff, you guys all come out of the woodwork on attack.   I don't know which side is worse, but right now I am leaning towards the pro-Flex group as being the worse here.

-robert


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: N0YXB on May 05, 2013, 12:24:40 PM
   As for belittling people on public forums for their choice of equipment, it's not just in Amateur radio forums that happens. I used to be into woodworking and some of those forums can be just
as brutal if you are not using name brand equipment to produce something. Post a photo of a project and not mention equipment use to make it and you'll get all kinds of positive comments. But, add that you did it with a low cost table saw, then you'll be told how your work would be
better if you used a top of the line cabinet saw.  People being people seems to be the norm in
most forums and people don't want to think a person could make something as good as they did without spending a ton of money for the best of the best.
james
WD5GWY


I agree completely.  I am a member of a martial arts forum and there are plenty of similar nonsense debates that amount to nothing.  And I have some friends that insist that the only good trucks are made by GM.  They are actually insulted by Ford, or (gasp) Toyota owners.  Brand loyalty is an interesting thing.

I see both sides of some of the Flex debates.  Some are offended that anyone likes their Flex radio and some are offended that anyone would say anything critical about their Flex radio.  I do believe that comments about specs, operating the rig, and ones experiences with the manufacturer are fair game and should not lead to hurt feelings and arguments.

In the end, I'd like to see Flex succeed.  It's good for amateur radio to have as several viable radio manufacturers.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K9ZW on May 05, 2013, 12:28:27 PM

Seems like the only one shouting or belittling here is you.  I posted my experiences with my Flex 5000 and you jumped right in here accusing me of a lot of things.  This is not Amateur Radio like gentlemanly conduct on your part.

-robert

Posting how your first hand personal experiences with upgrading to PowerSDR 2.6.4 would make you a contributor to a thread discussing the software upgrade.

The rest of what you post doesn't begin to meet the standards you suddenly seem to have become aware of.

Again how did your upgrade to 2.6.4 go?  

73

Steve
K9ZW


You know, no wonder the anti-Flex crowd dislike you guys so much.  You are JUST AS GUILTY of jumping on anyone who says something negative about their experience with Flex Radios.  Unless it is a glowing, over the top review of Flex's stuff, you guys all come out of the woodwork on attack.   I don't know which side is worse, but right now I am leaning towards the pro-Flex group as being the worse here.

-robert

What - you've never installed/used 2.6.4?

Guess you have some homework for the afternoon....

73

Steve
K9ZW


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: W4HIJ on May 05, 2013, 02:55:11 PM
   As for belittling people on public forums for their choice of equipment, it's not just in Amateur radio forums that happens. I used to be into woodworking and some of those forums can be just
as brutal if you are not using name brand equipment to produce something. Post a photo of a project and not mention equipment use to make it and you'll get all kinds of positive comments. But, add that you did it with a low cost table saw, then you'll be told how your work would be
better if you used a top of the line cabinet saw.  People being people seems to be the norm in
most forums and people don't want to think a person could make something as good as they did without spending a ton of money for the best of the best.
james
WD5GWY


I agree completely.  I am a member of a martial arts forum and there are plenty of similar nonsense debates that amount to nothing.  And I have some friends that insist that the only good trucks are made by GM.  They are actually insulted by Ford, or (gasp) Toyota owners.  Brand loyalty is an interesting thing.

I see both sides of some of the Flex debates.  Some are offended that anyone likes their Flex radio and some are offended that anyone would say anything critical about their Flex radio.  I do believe that comments about specs, operating the rig, and ones experiences with the manufacturer are fair game and should not lead to hurt feelings and arguments.

In the end, I'd like to see Flex succeed.  It's good for amateur radio to have as several viable radio manufacturers.
I'd like to see Flex succeed and I think they are doing so. I'd also like to see the Apache Labs products do well. I was hoping for the Elecraft KX-3 to do well and I think it is although I knew they were blowing smoke when they promised it at the price point of the 1500 and they were. The more manufacturers in the SDR arena, the better and competition is a good thing. Some guys are never going to give up their tried and true "conventional" radios and I understand that. By the same token, I expect people to understand that I will never go back to an radio with a "conventional" front panel again. There has been way too many times on this forum when some one posted some problem with their Flex radio and when I've said nothing harsher than "Sorry, I never have experienced that problem" I've gotten jumped on with both feet by several parties.  I've often thought "maybe I won't go there anymore" because of the way a vocal minority here have acted towards me but I enjoy many e-ham forums besides this one and also there is a lot going on in the SDR field besides just what Flex is doing and this is a great place for info on it.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K9ZW on May 05, 2013, 03:08:12 PM
Wanted another day of QSOs with the new 2.6.4 version.

Install was slick and quick.  This release did update the drivers and the firmware.

Latency improvements noted (running the provided utility) and was able to adjust to meet the improvements.

No sign of a several small glitches in my system - not crediting version 2.6.4 as much as the overall reinstallation process for cleaning up some loose ends with the 2.5 version.

Of course none of the regionalization updates matters for my operations.  Those updates are important for the overall FlexRadio community and bundling them with the general updates & tweaks is a good idea.

Noticed more even drive when band-hopping.  I hadn't been 100% confident of the resulting levels with the prior release which had lead to my reducing power to avoid amp overdrive. 

Oh and for the down on SDR/Flex anywhere in life folk, very please to note the installation of PowerSDR 2.6.4 had zero adverse affects on my S-Line station.....

In summary, a nice and easy upgrade that a few days of use suggest was worth it for drivers/firmware/tweaks alone.

73

Steve
K9ZW

Blog:  http://k9zw.wordpress.com/ (http://k9zw.wordpress.com/)


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: NI0Z on May 05, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
Smile, some things never will change, like the SDR wars here.

Alas, I won't likely try 2.6.4 until Tobias updates the fork so my knobs work.  Something I will not have to deal with on my next SDR.  I'll have all kinds of other stuff to deal with!  Lol

If one ones to buy a completed radio, they don't want to buy and SDR!  That said, I would say that the Flex 5K will likely not see new features in PowerSDR unless they come by virtue of updates really targeted at 1500 & 3000 users.



Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on May 05, 2013, 09:29:52 PM
"the Flex 5K will likely not see new features in PowerSDR unless they come by virtue of updates really targeted at 1500 & 3000 users"

Explain.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: N4OI on May 06, 2013, 02:49:26 AM
.... Post a photo of a project and not mention equipment use to make it and you'll get all kinds of positive comments. But, add that you did it with a low cost table saw, then you'll be told how your work would be better if you used a top of the line cabinet saw....

I have built some very nice furniture using only 18th century hand tools...  I guess I will need to stick with my Ten-Tec Century 21 to avoid any bashing... (it is the 21st century, after all.... 

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI  ;D



Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: NI0Z on May 06, 2013, 08:45:10 AM
"the Flex 5K will likely not see new features in PowerSDR unless they come by virtue of updates really targeted at 1500 & 3000 users"

Explain.

Whats to explain?  Do you know of any new development specifically targeted at new features for the 5K?  Unless the price is dropped significantly the 6500 will likely be the mid range radio.  The lower models have a different price point that will allow them still to be viable selling products for a little while longer.  Still though, I predict we will see more compettion coming soon that will make those less attractive.

As an SDR the Flex 5K has pretty much matured, it has the basic software covered and is end of marketing life.  Most Flex 5Ks sold now will be on the used market.

Of course this is merely my humble opinion and not based on any facts.

As a current active Flex 5K user I am not really expecting anything new for that radio.


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: NI0Z on May 06, 2013, 09:53:38 AM
All in the spirit of being humble and keeping it all real, including being able to poke fun at oneself, I have to confess I added another ferrite bead this weekend!  :) 

I couldnt add this comment to my PowerSDR thread since it was locked because folks couldnt behave.  Anyways, I got a very nice Green Heron Rotator Controller and had to put a bead on the USB cable.  You can read more about it on my blog if your interested!

Lol, looks like I need to buy some more beads for USB cables!


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: W4HIJ on May 06, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
"the Flex 5K will likely not see new features in PowerSDR unless they come by virtue of updates really targeted at 1500 & 3000 users"

Explain.

Whats to explain?  Do you know of any new development specifically targeted at new features for the 5K?  Unless the price is dropped significantly the 6500 will likely be the mid range radio.  The lower models have a different price point that will allow them still to be viable selling products for a little while longer.  Still though, I predict we will see more compettion coming soon that will make those less attractive.

As an SDR the Flex 5K has pretty much matured, it has the basic software covered and is end of marketing life.  Most Flex 5Ks sold now will be on the used market.

Of course this is merely my humble opinion and not based on any facts.

As a current active Flex 5K user I am not really expecting anything new for that radio.
If I can ever afford one on the used market, I would truly like to have a fully decked out 5k including the VHF/UHF module. It's ashamed they could not keep producing those. I know they were criticized but I believe it was some sort of parts supply issue that bit them. I still like the concept of an  all in one rig that covers up into the uHF range. I had a TS-2000X which actually covered 1.2 Ghz as well. It was a nice radio except for the birdies.
Speaking of VHF/UHF  coverage though, is the 6700/6500 going to have the ability to use  transverters in a full duplex configuration? Seems like it would.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: KC4MOP on May 20, 2013, 03:30:35 AM
The latest Flex software I have is 2.3.5. No matter what version I have used I am still disappointed in the SAM (synchronous detector) operation. It only slightly reduces selective fading distortion.
People swear by Sherwood and the SE 3 that it is the only and the best. Yes, I like to listen to Short wave radio and music other than Ham QSO's.
I do not know if it is more of an hardware or software issue for SAM

As for interference in the pass band, you can activate the TNF and by right clicking on the offending signal/hetrodyne, it magically disappears.

Maybe my lack of performance may be hardware, as I have the lowly old SDR 1000. The wallet will not allow anything higher priced/better. Still plenty of those showing up used and still magic to me.
Fred


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: AB2YC on June 06, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
Downloaded the update. Started the install on my Win7 64 bit machine. Popped the top on a cold Shiner. Next thing you know, it was time to reboot. Barely got two sips in. Restart, turn on Flex 3000. Sip. Drivers loaded, optimization started. Sip. Start 2.6.4. Firmware update. Sip. Done. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4, and a brand new radio. Start PowerSDR 2.6.4. Enjoy.

Really? Could Flex possibly allow us at least time to enjoy one whole beer during the upgrade?

Good job.


I would say that is more an issue with Windows Architecture than with Flex.




Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: NI0Z on June 06, 2013, 12:08:11 PM
Just gulp the Shiner, you wont care about the wait or windoze as much! :)


Title: RE: PowerSDR 2.6.4 - Huge Disappointment
Post by: K5TED on June 06, 2013, 08:28:17 PM
rgr that