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Title: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on July 05, 2013, 07:42:08 AM
     I've been using a FT-950 for the past 3 years and love the radio on SSB. My only complaint is they used mechanical T/R relay and on CW it is not a radio that you can put headphones on and do CW with people sleeping. The relay is that loud, on QSK it sounds like a teletype. I should add CW is about 10% of my operating but want to increase that.

     I am coming into some extra cash and thinking of upgrade to a mid level radio. I like the looks of the 7600 much better than the 3000 but it is 5 year old technology. Does anyone own both and can tell me which is better and what you like better about its features / performance.

     I know the K3 beats both but when you add the options the others come with plus a p3 it is more than I want to spend. Looking to stay in the 3500 to 3800 ballpark tops. If there is another I should consider please let me know. Thanks

73, John


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: PD2R on July 05, 2013, 08:08:02 AM
I have not used a FTdx 3000 but I have used a IC-7600 but only for a short period of time. People claim it's almost as good as the IC-7700 which I really like on side band. The 7600 I used didn't sound as good as the 7700 but it may very well needed some tweeking of the settings.
Rob Sherwood talked a bit about the FTdx 3000 during his presentation at the CTU this year. Although he liked the receiver performance, he very much disliked the ergonomics, especially in SSB. Changing the output power level during SSB operation requires 4 actions of the operator.
Furthermore, it is said that the bandscope on the 3000 is practically useless.

Keep in mind that for side band operation you don't need a super selective receiver. Furthermore, transceivers are not computers. A 5 year old computer is considered ancient but that is not the same with transceivers.
I would spend my money on the Icom.

Just my $0.02


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KH6AQ on July 05, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
John, do you really need all the features the Icom and Kenwood have? $3500-$3500 should be enough to get a nicely equipped K3.



Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KD8MJR on July 06, 2013, 02:37:37 AM
Well it took under 2 hours for the K3 sales team to arrive.  No matter what radio you would like to get advice on purchasing the K3 some how becomes the better alternative.

Well I gotta give you guys credit you stated the K3 is a better radio than a 990 so I guess it's better than everything on the Planet! ::). To the Op I say run from this thread and never look back!. It will soon be  K3 central and answers to your original question will soon be plowed under the QRM.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: NO2A on July 06, 2013, 04:06:18 PM
I like the specs for the FTDX-3000. I`m seriously considering it for my next rig. Other owners say its receiver noise floor is so low you have to check to see if your antenna is connected. The new FT-1200 sounds good also.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KF7DS on July 07, 2013, 08:44:54 AM
I have had a 7600, and currently have a TS-590 and K3 and love them both.

I had the 7600 for over a year but, being primarily a cw op, I thought it's Rx was mediocre at best - both the K3 and TS-590 are much better and have superior filtering.

I played with the 3000 a bit and liked it. I think it's ergonomics are as bad as anything else (all rigs are clumsy in some manner) and the scope on the 3000 is as useless as the 7600-no better no worse, but the 3000 has IF output and 7600 does not.

Don KF7DS


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on July 07, 2013, 11:02:43 AM
     I did notice the IF out jack and that is a big plus. I must say right now I am leaning heavily toward the 3000. The more I read the better I like it. Then again including HTs and Qrp I do have five radios and four of them are Yaesu. They treat me well, I have had to repair every Icom I have owned (just lucky I guess) so that does play in my mind as well. May have to go to AES and look at them.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: AD9DX on July 07, 2013, 11:29:33 AM
I owned a FT-2000D before I bought my K3, I thought the ergonomics of the 2000D was the best I'd ever used. If the 3000 is similarly designed, that would be a big plus. I loved operating that rig. But was disappointed with its performance


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KD8MJR on July 07, 2013, 02:33:51 PM
From reading your original post I take it that SSB is what you use 90% of the time.
I own a 7600 and really like it, I have Not used a ftdx-3000 so you will have to see if it has these features.

Some features I really like about the 7600 that I am not sure about on the 3000.

 Dual Watch which is for all practical uses just about the same as having two Receivers.

 5Khz to 500Khz Bandscope with Center fix feature.  The Screen looks really good.

 3x 32bit DSP chips that can really clean up the Audio.

 I have found the CW to be just about as good as any other Radio I have used, it may not be
the best of the best but it's going to be really hard to hear the differences.  The CW auto tune and APF are also nice features.

Ergonomics are first rate.  All the things you would use on a day to day basis are right in front of you with a Logical button or knob placement and then you have 50 or 60 other less used features that can be accessed via a very clear menu layout.

2x USB ports that do both Rig control and Audio output/Input.

RTTY and PSK31 built in decoder/Waterfall and TX via a plug in USB keyboard.  The RTTY is true FSK.

Upgradable Firmware.

Customizable Noise Blanker

TX Audio is very very good, you can really customize it.  Rx Audio is also very good but the built in speaker is SO SO, I would use and external speaker.

Three Roofing Filters

Anyway, I think both Radios are good. I suggest along with the reading you have been doing  see them in the flesh, if thats not possible then look for some good video reviews on youtube.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N4FBW on July 12, 2013, 11:10:27 PM
For those considering the FTDX-3000, there is a new firmware update that makes the bandscope use the entire screen.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KE2TR on July 14, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
I was in the same boat, I liked the IC7600, there dsp is great on that ring but $3.5K was IMO a little more than I wanted to invest so I bought the TS590, hey I was trying to get the best bang for the buck but after trying to get the audio on ssb to sound like my old MP I sold it and bought the FTDX3K. I also looked at the K3 but the two time's I had been using that rig I really didn't like the SSB audio at all, I like some rag chew and some DX and once Yaesu put that sale on the 3K I went and ordered one up. Yes I had seen the dayton Rob Sherwood talk but really he is a CW guy not to much of a SSB guy and for the way the 3K came outa the box it more than good enough for CW but shines on SSB both RX&TX, the DSP is as good as the IC7700 I test drove a year ago and right up there with a buddies IC7600 only slightly behind the FT5K but not by much IMO. The ARRL lab number are good plus the second order IMD tested as good as almost the two top Icom rigs. As far as the band scope goes I find it more than good enough even without the last firmware update. Would I consider the Icom, well maybe but for what they ask for that rig I just don't see the value, it's over a kilobuck more and I would rather spend the extra money's on a better antenna cause the RX/TX just doesn't give you any more for your extra dollar. The 3K also has a nice three band EQ that work's real well plus the RX side has a real low noise floor. The only thing that I find a pain is Yaesu is taking there sweet ass time on the $100 rebate program but the rig is FB here. As far as the 3K next to the TS590 well I had them both side by side for a week or so, after a week I boxed up the kenwood, yes I know the lab numbers on the 590 were slightly better but IMO the Yaesu did a better job on bot RX and TX and the DSP is way faster like the DSP NR is so much better than the 590's DNR, every aspect of the Yaesu's DSP was much better than the 590 and more like the better Icom's. As far as the control layout its allot better, this is were I have to give the Icom a slight edge but although many fell the K3 is king just sit behind it for a day, that friggin rig would drive me nuts, way to many multi function controls and button's plus it's like the 590 way to small of a box rig were the Yaesu is just the right size and the roofing filter's in the 3K work and work real well. I don't do allot of CW but the CW T one note is the cleanest I have heard in a long time from a radio, it makes me wanna copy CW again, nothing scratchy or tinny,  its got a real clean audio amp on RX and that shows up on both SSB and CW. Enjoy whatever you buy and be happy which ever way you go.
Jim
KE2TR


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: AA9G on July 14, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
Look, we know who you are and we know where you live.
Save us the trouble of coming for you and get a K3.  ;D


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: AC4RD on July 15, 2013, 04:15:31 AM
     I've been using a FT-950 for the past 3 years and love the radio on SSB. My only complaint is they used mechanical T/R relay and on CW it is not a radio that you can put headphones on and do CW with people sleeping. The relay is that loud, on QSK it sounds like a teletype. I should add CW is about 10%

John, I'm really surprised to see this comment.  I've had an FT-950 for around 2 years and 80% of my operating is CW.  (RTTY is another 19%)  I've never noticed or been bothered by loud mechanical relays.  I'm wondering if something might be wrong (or misadjusted) with your 950.

Are there any other FT-950 owners who have this problem?

PS, John:  We BOTH really need to get K3s before that mob of villagers with pitchforks and torches catches up with us.  ;)


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on July 15, 2013, 08:40:45 AM

Are there any other FT-950 owners who have this problem?




I have seen at least one review that mentioned they should have used solid state relays.
I may have exaggerated a bit but it sounds like the clicks of using a strait key when the house is quiet, other radios I have owned in the past (756 proII, Jupiter, 7000, 897) were much quieter.



Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: K9MHZ on July 27, 2013, 06:43:20 AM
Well it took under 2 hours for the K3 sales team to arrive.  No matter what radio you would like to get advice on purchasing the K3 some how becomes the better alternative.

Well I gotta give you guys credit you stated the K3 is a better radio than a 990 so I guess it's better than everything on the Planet! ::). To the Op I say run from this thread and never look back!. It will soon be  K3 central and answers to your original question will soon be plowed under the QRM.


LOL!  That was excellent!


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KF7DS on July 28, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
I had a 7600 and now have an ftdx3000.  The 3000 has a much better receiver (quiet), and excellent apfbfilter and cwt. 7600 is WAY overpriced.

Don KF7DS


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: AE7WC on August 02, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
I had a 7600 and now have an ftdx3000.  The 3000 has a much better receiver (quiet), and excellent apfbfilter and cwt. 7600 is WAY overpriced.

Don KF7DS

What's a K3?? :)


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KK4CRY on August 03, 2013, 03:20:29 PM
I had a 7600 and now have an ftdx3000.  The 3000 has a much better receiver (quiet), and excellent apfbfilter and cwt. 7600 is WAY overpriced.

Don KF7DS

What's a K3?? :)

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: K9MHZ on September 02, 2013, 05:22:59 AM
KK4CRY....

um, WC was joking.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KD2CJJ on September 05, 2013, 10:43:55 AM
For sure the FTDX3000 >7600 > K3

 ;D

KK4CRY....

um, WC was joking.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on September 11, 2013, 07:59:30 AM
     I have a KX3 and although it is a nice radio I don't think I want a K3 as a main. I know it is the overall best performer and the FT-3000 offers down to a 300Hz roofing filter and quieter receive but I think I have changed toward the 7600. While it does not do a lot more than my 950 performance wise (actually a little lower by sherwood standards) it is the best looking radio which plays into the picture as it will probably be my last radio for several years.

     Thanks to every body for their input. I have about a month til I have enough to buy it so if anyone can give me a reason to go 3000 instead chime in. I know raising the price $1200 over the 756 pro iii was a bit steep for roofing filters and usb ports but I think Yaesu missed the boat when it comes to lay out and looks. Full screen scope on the 3000 was a nice update but you loose the s-meter. Someone talk me into saving $1000.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: AF5CC on September 11, 2013, 08:34:04 AM
IF you do much DXing at all,I would go with the 7600. Having the dual receive capabilities is very nice in split frequency pileups. I wouldn't spend the $2300 that a FTDX3000 costs for a rig that didn't do dual receive.

John AF5CC


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KD8MJR on September 11, 2013, 03:59:13 PM
IF you do much DXing at all,I would go with the 7600. Having the dual receive capabilities is very nice in split frequency pileups. I wouldn't spend the $2300 that a FTDX3000 costs for a rig that didn't do dual receive.

John AF5CC

I was going to say that but resisted.  I like the DX3000 it has most of the same features as the 7600 but the 7600 has some really nice features that the DX3000 lacks or are not as well implemented.  The top two being Dual Receive and the much better Bandscope on the 7600.   The list goes on but it's all kind of subtle easier ways that the 7600 does certain things. Like the way the 7600 allows quick on the fly contouring of filters, NB and DSP.  The manual notch adjustment and width which is great for removing adjacent QRM. 

I think most people that have a certain opinion about the 7600 have not just spent the time to find out all the things she can do. 


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: NO9E on September 26, 2013, 08:20:03 AM
I had and have a few radios. How much I hear depends on whether one neighbor turned on his router, the other one plasma TV, yet another one a dog fence, and whether the power lines are sparking. FT450 in an interference free environment would hear more than IC7800 with all these noises.

Each radio I owned in the past had a strong feature. Excellent NB in IC735,  powerful processed audio in TS-850, smooth and complete FT1000MP, perfect AGC in K2,....     

Whichever radio one buys, it will become old in a few years, or even next year. But each radio brings excitement. So a good choice is to buy radios for excitement, at best used, and selling them later for not that much less.  Buy IC7600, then sell and buy FTDX3000. Or vice versa. 

BTW, K3 has so many happy owners that it is a radio to pick at.

Ignacy, NO9E     


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: NR9R on September 26, 2013, 01:13:40 PM
I have owned both the FTDX-3000D and IC-7600.  I operate 99% CW.  My vote goes for the IC-7600 for a few reasons. 

--I found the QSK to be much smoother with the ICOM. 

--I found the layout of the IC-7600 to be much more natural. 

--The ICOM has Dual Watch which is really useful for working DX in split mode. 

--While both transceivers have some susceptibility to AGC clicks, the NB in the IC-7600 pretty much eliminated this phenomenon while keeping AGC settings that are pleasant to listen to.  I now own an FTDX-5000D and it is similar to the FTDX-3000D in this regard--no way to totally eliminate AGC pops like I could in the IC-7600.

The main drawback is that the IC-7600 costs about $1000 more, so you'll have to decide if the benefits are worth that.  Also, from the Yahoo group I'm getting the impression that the IC-7600 could be another static sensitive ICOM rig, with a handful of reports of USB port and PA failure reported.   


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on September 28, 2013, 03:27:56 AM
     Okay, still leaning toward 7600 because as stated above I prefer the ergonomics and looks. If I don't like the performance I can sell, have money to buy the 3000 and put some back in the bank.
     As far as static it is always possible but 3 years ago you read how the power diodes were failing right and left in the FT-950 but I bought one anyway. No problems and after 3 years it is still the best radio I have owned ( 746, Pro II, Jupiter, 7000, TS-2000 to name a few) as far as performance and features. I bought my first one used before the others mentioned and once I had money to buy a brand new radio it was back to the 950 after trying the others,

     Thanks for all the input guys. N3IG


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KF7DS on September 29, 2013, 08:18:23 AM
Like I noted before, I have had a 7600 and now have the 3000. The 3000s Rx is much better. So if the filtering, especially the APF function.

Don KF7DS


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KE2TR on November 11, 2013, 07:31:10 AM
To most of the CW op's the K3 is the end all rig but most of these newer radio's when placed in your shack will all op about the same till contest time when the bands fill up with signals. I feel for ME the K3 is ok but maybe I am fussy about RX audio chain, I like radio's that have a low hiss level and that is the one of the things I like about the FTDX3K. The control layout is another and I found the K# way too busy, way too many multi purpose controls. The roofing filter options on radio's like the TT Orion and the K3 are great but in the heat of the battle in contest you really don't have the time to play and dig out the weak ones, the selectivity is either there or its history so I find the fast and easy combo of shift and width controls more than good enough on the FTDX3K. Yes the FTDX5K would be better but even that radio has an over populated front panel. The only thing I miss is a second RX and maybe Yaesu is reading these forum's cause it would be nice to make a just stand alone receiver to mate with this rig and that would be the cats nuts. I kinda miss the way the FT1KMP was laid out but have made the 3K work well. One thing is I am not a die hard CW guy but since I bought this radio I have been on CW more and more, even just to look around and copy some code, I just love the way this radio sound on CW, only have the stock roofing filter (600Hz) but the dsp filtering is soo clean, its like music to my ear's. The band scope is fine enough and yes the P3 can be used if you need more but if the band scope defines what you want buy the Icom, some hams seem to like the boob tube over better RX/TX performance. I love the display of your controls on this rig but to be honest the only things I seem disappointed with are no front panel easy access power out control (must enter a menu but the CS button can be set for this) and the notch control, the IF notch works very well but you have to turn and turn the control were they should look at a firmware upgrade that would give you a fast or slow turning IF notch control. Another plus is the SSB TX audio and PROC control, you can make this rig sound like a DX machine meat grinder for DX which drive the snot outa your amp or Hi Fi rag chew sound if wanted, there are separate setting for with or without the processor on. I feel Yaesu might have another radio up there sleeves soon, something between the 3K and 5K, who knows maybe a FT4K with a spate video display output, more selection on tighter roofing filters (as options) and a second RX like the one in the FTDX1200 for the sub RX.
Jim
KE2TR


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: AG6WT on November 11, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
Question for FTDX3000 owners:

How hard is it to put out a low power carrier for the purpose of adjusting a tuner?

I have an ICOM AH-4 and needs 5-15 watts to tune. Anymore and it doesn't work. On my FT-450, you could program the C.S button to put out 10 watts CW which made it easy to tune the AH-4. (Of course with an ICOM rig I wouldn't have to do anything since the AH-4 plugs into it directly.) I'm looking at the FTDX3000 and don't see anything similar for the C.S programming options. If I'm working CW at full power, would I be force to do a multi-step option like, diving into the menus to turn down the power or switch to AM and keying up the mic?


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KB8GAE on November 11, 2013, 02:18:29 PM
You can adjust power in cw mode by turning a knob on the 3000's front panel.  I lower power to 10 watts and then key down to put out a carrier when adjusting my manual antenna tuner.

In ssb you must go into the menus to adjust output power.

KB8GAE
Rich


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KD8MJR on November 12, 2013, 05:53:03 PM
The 7600 also has a dedicated knob which goes from 1W to 100W


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on November 13, 2013, 07:39:35 AM
     AM has its own power setting in my FT-950 so I set it at 10 watts and then just switch to AM and key the mic to tune. This works well in a quiet environment but if there is audio (noise) for the mic to pick up it will increase the output power.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: K3LRH on February 10, 2014, 11:49:12 AM
.........let's just say that all three rigs are perfect in all respects.  They're not, but let's just say that for now.  Then what?  Consider service after the sale.  Most rigs need to be serviced somewhere along the way.  Who has the best factory service?  Yaesu, Icom or Elecraft?

73


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: PA1ZP on February 10, 2014, 03:22:40 PM
Hi all

I do not have a FTDX3000 or IC7600.
I have a radio with a few serious design problems.

If I had to do this again , it would be a K3 without second reciever.
Just plain 100W K3 with a few filters for both CW and SSB, no ATU no second RX, no pan adaptor, as less bells and whistles as possible.
The wonderfull thing about the K3 is that you can buy it with what you want and leave out the stuff you do not want or need.

I now have a radio with a few serious bloopers in the design, nothing will be more annoying in time then that.
I use both CW and SSB about 50/50.

I would rather have a K3 with less bells and whistles as both the Yaesu or Icom with all bells and whistles.

I know the K3 is small hasn't got a colour screen inside doesn't overflow you with bells and whisles etc.
Maybe even looks a bit cheap and stupid , and maybe it isn't that easy in use.
But it has other great things, great support, very few design flaws. and a super RX.

If you go for a K3 , you will miss all the design flaws of both the Yaesu and the Icom.
If you want all the bells and whistles you can always upgrade the K3.
The Icom RX is not much better as the FT950 it only has more bells and whistles.
The K3 RX is in a totally different leage in CW as the IC7600.

I totaly have to agree with K3LRH.

Do not make my mistake.

73 Jos


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N9AOP on February 11, 2014, 09:13:36 AM
A whole lot depends on which cult you subscribe to today.  There is the TenTec cult; the Elecraft cult; and the Japanese cult.
Interesting digression since the man asked to compare Yaesu with Icom.  The K3 is a nice radio but compared to the O2, the audio is raspy and annoying.  I am surprised that no one mentioned the Orion but perhaps none of the TenTec cult came around to this post.

I guess there is one other group and that is the radio-of-the-month group.  I wish I had the dough to belong here but I do not.
Art


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: K3LRH on February 11, 2014, 03:46:05 PM
......AOP, yep, I should have limited my question to just Icom and Yaesu and not included Elecraft (unfair advantage)  Or any of the other "cult" radio brands.

....Jos, I know what rig you are talking about  :)

73


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: PA1ZP on February 12, 2014, 09:43:25 AM
Hi to you all

Ok I will compare yaesu with Icom
Icom has a somewhat less reciever numbers, lots of bells and whistles.
Yaesu has a bit better reciever less good bells and whistles.

I do not have nothing against Icom I have and had Icom gear.
I do not have nothing against Yaesu , I have and had Yaesu gear.
I do have and had Kenwood gear.

I never had any defects with any of these rigs, even my MFJ still tuner works, could be because I never use it hihi.

Still wouldnt buy no KENICYAES no more for HF , without one thought my next pce for HF K3.

And I do not like TENTEC, I do not like Elecraft, their stuff looks daft and very cheap in compare with YASICWOOD.
The little K3 is ugly expencive, doesn't have a colour display, and operating this rig is strange, but they have got the least design flaws at the moment.
And they had troubles but they all solved them very well.
They have serious service and the K3 is simply the best.

Would like to have the German Hilberling top TRX, but have not got the money for this, even though i only live 25 miles from the German border.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N3IG on March 08, 2014, 04:50:21 AM
     Well I ended up going 7600. Much quieter receiver than my 950 had and they must use pin diode switching because no more t/r noise on cw. With headphones on only what little noise the paddles make. :-) Main justification was that I can use it for a while and if I decide later to sell it I can have enough to buy a 3000 but may take a while to add enough to do it the other way. No plans to do that at this time since I am really enjoying the 7600, much nicer receiver and DSP than the ProII I had. Thanks for everyones input.


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KE7TMA on March 12, 2014, 04:03:27 AM
The K3 is a nice radio but compared to the O2, the audio is raspy and annoying.

The audio's fine once you figure out the proper EQ settings for your ears and external speaker(s).


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: KH6DC on March 12, 2014, 05:51:27 PM
The 7600 is a fine radio, you won't be dissapointed.  I sold mine for the K3.  The FTDX3000 has better receive specs than the 7600 per Sherwood Engineering Labs but I haven't listened to one to be my one judge of that.

CU on the air...73,

Delwyn KH6DC


Title: RE: FTDX-3000 or IC-7600
Post by: N2ADV on March 12, 2014, 06:16:23 PM
Nice work on the 7600 - it's a fine rig! 

Well it took under 2 hours for the K3 sales team to arrive.  No matter what radio you would like to get advice on purchasing the K3 some how becomes the better alternative.

Well I gotta give you guys credit you stated the K3 is a better radio than a 990 so I guess it's better than everything on the Planet! ::). To the Op I say run from this thread and never look back!. It will soon be  K3 central and answers to your original question will soon be plowed under the QRM.
I am sensing some severe butt-hurt.

(Don't bother replying, you are now on my ignore list).