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Title: Ebay bidding
Post by: KE4JOY on August 05, 2013, 04:39:51 PM
Folks don't you get it? Don't bother bidding until the last 2 seconds, your just driving the price up  ;D


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: W8AAZ on August 05, 2013, 05:28:41 PM
Don't know about that.  Remember someone could have a really high bid, and it might not be pushed to it's limit till the very end anyway.  And alot of people use software to beat you.  You have to decide your limit and try not to go past it.   IF someone wants it more than you at any cost, they will win it.  If someone wants to pay alot more than something is worth, what are you gonna do about it?  It is not a race, it is a test of who has the deepest pockets unless no one else is really  interested in an item. 


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: N3HFS on August 05, 2013, 06:05:33 PM
Agree with W8AAZ...it's all about emotional vs. rational thought.  Mr. Spock would be proud!

1. If you want something and can offer a reasonable price for it (reasonable in your mind), go ahead and bid on it with that price whenever you please. 

2. If you want something regardless of what it costs, bid whatever you can afford at the last second.

In the case of (1), you might find that you are pleasantly surprised to pick up the item for less than you thought was reasonable.  The only down side is that you must be psychologically prepared to forego the deal if you are outbid.

In the case of (2), you are probably a gambler anyway, and live for the thrill of either winning at the finish line or being outfoxed by a higher bid (that was placed earlier).


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K5MF on August 05, 2013, 07:59:54 PM
I agree with the OP.  I have won numerous items by bidding 1 dollar over the last bid in the last 15 seconds and they were all less than I was willing to pay.  The key is to know how much you are willing to pay and don't go a dime over it no matter what.  But that doesn't mean you have put all of your cards on the table before the last hand.  And don't wait until the last 2 seconds, remember the bid process is two steps, you enter the bid and then must confirm it. About 15 to 20 seconds is about right depending on Internet congestion.

I do agree with the most important guideline of all - if you can't afford to do without the item you my as well pay the "buy now" price and be done.  Walk away when you lose and write it off as part of the game. Don't fall in love with something that can't love you back.

Tom/AE5QB 


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K1CJS on August 06, 2013, 04:39:59 AM
The thing to do is to wait till the last couple of minutes.  Decide on the maximum bid you're willing to make, then at that last minute, if the current bid is still below it--make that maximum bid!  Let the other bidders try to get past your bid then, because most of them will go up by a dollar or two at a time.  Of course, if two play the same game, whoever is willing to go higher will win.

No fancy software or bidding aid from the site, you've made your offer.  If someone outbids you, that's the luck of the draw--but most of the time that strategy will get you what you want at the price you're willing to pay.


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KS2G on August 06, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
Folks don't you get it? Don't bother bidding until the last 2 seconds, your just driving the price up  ;D

No need to sit and watch with your finger "on the trigger" to place a last-second bid.

Use a "sniping" service like Auction Sniper: http://www.auctionsniper.com/

You indicate the highest bid that you want to make -- and in the final seconds it automatically places the lowest bid needed to win, up to the limit you've set.


 


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K9YLI on August 06, 2013, 10:11:15 AM
 I find in any  auction.. early on,, bid  high.. none of this  up a dollar  type bidding.
raise the bid   5 or 10 if you think it will go  above that anyway..
let the bidder know  you really want it and scare off those that raise it  a dollar at a time.
Try and narrow it down to  2 bidders quickly..
Then  if the other  wont  'scare off'  , make him  pay for it  by  keeping up the raises, just know  the others reactons so you quit in bid  early..

nasty!!!!!!!!!


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K1CJS on August 06, 2013, 10:21:00 AM
I find in any  auction.. early on,, bid  high.. none of this  up a dollar  type bidding.
raise the bid   5 or 10 if you think it will go  above that anyway..
let the bidder know  you really want it and scare off those that raise it  a dollar at a time.
Try and narrow it down to  2 bidders quickly..
Then  if the other  wont  'scare off'  , make him  pay for it  by  keeping up the raises, just know  the others reactons so you quit in bid  early..

nasty!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, nasty--and you let on right away that you're willing to go high, so others will think about going high too--and pretty soon you get a bid war going.  When that happens, the only one who really wins is the seller!


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KE4JOY on August 06, 2013, 10:39:47 AM
Not sure how that happened??

Last night I bid on an item with 4 seconds to go, raised the price by $30.00 to try to beat the snipers.

I got 'beat' by someone who bid some 5 seconds after the bid closed winning the bid with the exact same exact figure that I had bid??

Maybe I misread the results but that is exactly what it looked like.


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K1CJS on August 06, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
...I got 'beat' by someone who bid some 5 seconds after the bid closed winning the bid with the exact same exact figure that I had bid??

Maybe I misread the results but that is exactly what it looked like.

Probably an 'automatic bid' that the E-bay system entered.  On some auctions, you set your high bid and the E-bay system will automatically raise the bid for you until it reaches your high.  Someone set the same high bid that you did--before you did it--and the system automatically made that bid the winning one since it was done first, or at the very least before you entered that same bid.

The time delay?  Sometimes the system has many of those automatic bids running, and it takes a little time to work through them.


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: N2MOD on August 09, 2013, 04:55:37 AM
Some auction sites extend the time of the auction by 15 minutes every time there is a bid during the final moments of an auction, to prevent just this kind of sniping BS.


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KE4JOY on August 09, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
Here is another question.

In looking at a sellers ID history it seems like he changed ID once a year. Is that a read flag or is it normal?


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: NK7Z on August 09, 2013, 04:49:35 PM
Here is another question.

In looking at a sellers ID history it seems like he changed ID once a year. Is that a read flag or is it normal?
It would be for me...  I have had the same eBay ID for 10 years...


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K6LCS on August 09, 2013, 08:35:27 PM
I had some good info to post in this thread, but I have to run over to eBay and make sure that I won a PHOTOCOPY of the Yaesu FT-60R four-page advertisement brochure that a respected eBay merchant is selling for only $8.00 - instead of downloading the exact same brochure from Yaesu's site, I can snag one off of eBay!

I am serious. I refuse to give the auction number here ...

I have to admit, I have - in the past - gotten caught up in eBay madness. But when I see items selling for MUCH more on eBay than they are selling for down the road at Ham Radio Outlet, I just wonder how some sellers live with themselves.

Clint K6LCS


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KE4JOY on August 10, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
LOL I saw a ground bonding lug, direct bury type for swimming pools for the low low price of $99.00 !!


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KG4RUL on August 10, 2013, 11:28:53 AM
I had some good info to post in this thread, but I have to run over to eBay and make sure that I won a PHOTOCOPY of the Yaesu FT-60R four-page advertisement brochure that a respected eBay merchant is selling for only $8.00 - instead of downloading the exact same brochure from Yaesu's site, I can snag one off of eBay!

I am serious. I refuse to give the auction number here ...

I have to admit, I have - in the past - gotten caught up in eBay madness. But when I see items selling for MUCH more on eBay than they are selling for down the road at Ham Radio Outlet, I just wonder how some sellers live with themselves.

Clint K6LCS

IT takes a BUYER and a seller to complete the transaction. 

If I have a WhizBang Model 123C that I know is worth $100 and the bidders drive the price to $175, it is not my fault and, I can reap the rewards of their faulty judgement, without a care in the world.


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KE4JOY on August 10, 2013, 12:48:25 PM
LOL I just won a bid on something I don't even remember bidding on. I set such a low price on it I had forgot about it  :P

Cantenna for 10 bucks.

But .. I got geeked on the shipping  >:(


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: K2OWK on August 10, 2013, 03:11:39 PM
I have been buying and selling on EBay for more then 10 years. The last second bid is called a snipe. If you want to bid, set a price you are willing to pay and let EBay do the automatic bidding for you. This way you will not overpay for something. If I find something I want to buy. I set a price. Bid it, and then do not come back till the bidding is over. If I win I get the item at my price (or less). If not I move on to the next one (there are usually many of the same items up for bid, so if you miss one you could win the next). After the auction is over check the sold item for a few days. Some bidders decide not to pay, and if you had the next highest bid you might still get the item. I have one just about my whole ham station and most of my test equipment on EBay (except my transceiver and my antenna which I bought new). I was lucky because everything I bought was exactly as described. Buying and selling on EBay is fun if you do not take it to seriously. If done right you can usually get the item you want at the price you want to pay. Do it wrong and it could be very aggravating and expensive. Also items from China and overseas are very good deals. The companies I have dealt with are reliable. Have good products with warrentees, and shipping only takes 2 weeks or less.

As a note watch the shipping cost. Some sellers put a very low price on the item, and the rob you with the shipping.

73s

K2OWK


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KD8MJR on August 11, 2013, 02:08:34 AM
No need to sit and watch with your finger "on the trigger" to place a last-second bid.

Use a "sniping" service like Auction Sniper: http://www.auctionsniper.com/

You indicate the highest bid that you want to make -- and in the final seconds it automatically places the lowest bid needed to win, up to the limit you've set.

I do not see how this could be possible.
The software has no idea what the highest bid will be, they may get away with using the "Lowest bid needed" for 99% of the auction but in those last 20 seconds it has only one chance to win and that is to bet the limit. Any other attempt leaves it wide open to a snipe attack with no time to recover. IOW it's no better than just directly bidding your maximum at the very start.
I would go further and say that's probably exactly what it's doing, just entering your max bid the same way you can do it directly on eBay except with this method they lure you in to see their web page adds and they make some money.


Title: RE: Ebay bidding
Post by: KS2G on August 11, 2013, 07:17:17 PM
No need to sit and watch with your finger "on the trigger" to place a last-second bid.

Use a "sniping" service like Auction Sniper: http://www.auctionsniper.com/

You indicate the highest bid that you want to make -- and in the final seconds it automatically places the lowest bid needed to win, up to the limit you've set.

I do not see how this could be possible.


I have not idea exactly how it works -- but it does.
I've won lots of items using it.
And Auction Sniper and similar services are very popular.