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Title: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 06, 2013, 08:24:54 PM
Just looked around eBay to see what a FT-857D would be selling for USED and I notice that people are bidding $630+ for this radio USED!!

You can get a brand new one at HRO with free shipping for $776 after the $50 rebate. Just to save $146 people are willing to get a radio that is several years old, may have been rattled around in a car for years and has had God knows what else done to it just so they can get a 18% discount off of buying a new Rig with Warranty!  Amazing!


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W1JKA on August 07, 2013, 03:50:44 AM
   Once again as noted in previous topics of same. Basic auction strategy, in your particular field of interest bid to win on the first couple of items in the hope that when something you really want shows up later others will remember and think you will pay anything and not bid against you.Of course there is the other strategy, use a shill which is unethical, often illegal but never the less frequently done. Obviously this can get real interesting when two or more bidders are all using the same strategies. Let the person with the deepest pockets win.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: VE3FMC on August 07, 2013, 09:44:28 AM
Just looked around eBay to see what a FT-857D would be selling for USED and I notice that people are bidding $630+ for this radio USED!!

You can get a brand new one at HRO with free shipping for $776 after the $50 rebate. Just to save $146 people are willing to get a radio that is several years old, may have been rattled around in a car for years and has had God knows what else done to it just so they can get a 18% discount off of buying a new Rig with Warranty!  Amazing!

Remember the old saying "You can't fix stupid"  ;D


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 07, 2013, 02:14:05 PM
  Once again as noted in previous topics of same. Basic auction strategy, in your particular field of interest bid to win on the first couple of items in the hope that when something you really want shows up later others will remember and think you will pay anything and not bid against you.Of course there is the other strategy, use a shill which is unethical, often illegal but never the less frequently done. Obviously this can get real interesting when two or more bidders are all using the same strategies. Let the person with the deepest pockets win.

I agree that happens in some cases but look at this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lightly-Used-Yaesu-FT-857D-Transceiver-with-New-Separation-Kit-/231028647505?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item35ca616651#ht_90wt_1421

First Bidder offers $775 + $12 shipping  ??? ???


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on August 08, 2013, 04:58:52 AM
Could well be that he bought it for more and is trying to sell it for what he thinks is fair--to him.  Not everybody buys at the lowest prices, some just don't shop around and grab the first thing they look at.

BUT...  In general, I agree with you.  Prices on E-bay (Why do you think some call it E-Pay) are sometimes outrageous.  You do have to shop around to get the best price.  To some people, however, their time is worth more to them than the extra amount they pay by NOT shopping around.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD0WDH on August 08, 2013, 07:15:39 AM
There are certain items that I shop for on Fleabay. They are somewhat rare, specialized, or have minimum buy limits on average retail sites. I never bid in auctions, as I have found it to be a waste of time and money. I won't purchase large ticket items either, such as radios, audio gear, and so on. Too much risk Imho.

73
Cheers,
Shawn


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 08, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Could well be that he bought it for more and is trying to sell it for what he thinks is fair--to him.  Not everybody buys at the lowest prices, some just don't shop around and grab the first thing they look at.

BUT...  In general, I agree with you.  Prices on E-bay (Why do you think some call it E-Pay) are sometimes outrageous.  You do have to shop around to get the best price.  To some people, however, their time is worth more to them than the extra amount they pay by NOT shopping around.

I agree but man are those people stupid!   I see NIB FT-857D being sold for Near $1000 on eBay and I just can't imagine how stupid you would have to be to buy that.   Anybody who goes to eBay should first get an exact price on what it sells for new and then figure what they are willing to pay for it second hand in perfect condition and use that number as the Max and then take off more money if the item is in less then mint condition.   Personally I will not go past 60% of the NIB price on anything that is still in production.



Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on August 08, 2013, 03:35:14 PM
I paid $630, shipped, for a brand new FT-857D a couple of years ago on eBay.

A good used one these days is worth $630. As for, "rattled around in a car for years and has had God knows what else done to it", you have to look at the seller history, feedback and also pictures of the rig. If those are questionable or not available, then don't buy it. Simple as that.

Just 7 days ago, a set consisting of a "Yaesu FT-857D with LDG YT100 tuner and LDG meter all only used 1 time" went for $680. If I had been shopping for one then, I'd have snapped that up.

$600 seems to be about the floor on used 857D's right now. That's just the way it is.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 08, 2013, 05:59:28 PM
Saving 18% on a item that is several years old and out of warranty is just crazy.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on August 08, 2013, 07:19:40 PM
Saving 18% on a item that is several years old and out of warranty is just crazy.


Expecting owners to take a 50% loss on a perfectly good 5 year old radio that is still in current production is not realistic, unless the radio is visibly or functionally faulty.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 08, 2013, 07:39:36 PM
I would say more like 30-40% less is within reason.
There are not many items on planet earth that are still in production that loose only 18% of their value after 5 years of use except it seems ham radio gear on eBay.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KE7TMA on August 08, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
  Once again as noted in previous topics of same. Basic auction strategy, in your particular field of interest bid to win on the first couple of items in the hope that when something you really want shows up later others will remember and think you will pay anything and not bid against you.Of course there is the other strategy, use a shill which is unethical, often illegal but never the less frequently done. Obviously this can get real interesting when two or more bidders are all using the same strategies. Let the person with the deepest pockets win.

I agree that happens in some cases but look at this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lightly-Used-Yaesu-FT-857D-Transceiver-with-New-Separation-Kit-/231028647505?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item35ca616651#ht_90wt_1421

First Bidder offers $775 + $12 shipping  ??? ???

How do you know that that isn't a sockpuppet bidder?  Since eBay removed the ability to see who is bidding on what (user IDs are censored now) it's almost impossible to tell if you're going to be bidding against fake personas.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 08, 2013, 10:18:18 PM
If it is he's an even bigger fool than I thought.
An opening bid of $775 is going to drive just about everyone else away, he's almost certain to win his own item.  Sure he can say the person never paid him but you can only get away with that so many times on eBay before they close your account.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: AD9DX on August 09, 2013, 05:44:14 AM
Some people just aren't very smart...


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5MF on August 09, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
Excitement, fun, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat!  All of those reasons.  Some people get their kicks and thrills through Ebay and the shopping network.  It is a form of entertainment.  That's why all of those "Seen on TV" ads work. Have you ever watched those auction shows on TV?  Have you ever been to a live auction?  The best are the grab bags or the mystery boxes.  It is clear to most people that all of the left over crap is placed in these boxes and then auctioned off.  People know this yet they are thrilled to bid on the unknown.  You just never know what you might get.

Me thinks you are trying to over analyze this.  You seem to think that all people are rational and analytically minded.  They are not, most people in today's world function off of emotion and impulse.  It isn't necessarily a case of being stupid, per say, but we seem to think everyone should be making rational decisions.

By the way, have you ever bought a piece of ham equipment that you didn't really need just because you were at a hamfest and it was a good deal or just because you wanted to or just because you felt you had to buy something because you were there?  To each his own I guess.  We all do it.  Some just get caught up in the moments more than others.

My downfall is on the other end of the deals.  If I am in the mood to get rid of something, I feel a need to get rid of it no matter the price.  Sometimes I lower my prices beyond reasonable just to get rid of it.  But that is just the way I am.  That is why my wife makes me go inside during garage sales. :)

 


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 09, 2013, 01:43:08 PM
I am like you in some regards in that at sometimes I want things out of my house and I typically just give them away :)
I have had some pretty happy people leave my house with stuff that I just wanted out, I think sometimes they left thinking I must be crazy, but I get tired of saying to the YL lets just get rid of this; then we both kind of look around and say No, lets just put it back up.  Two years later I open a box and there is the same item still gathering dust.  This time I just give it away to get it out of the house right away.

On the other hand I never make purchases based on snap decisions or for the thrill of the win.  I have about a 80% winning track record on eBay and it's not because I pay high prices, it's because I know what I want and I have researched it properly so that at bidding time I have a price written down that is the highest amount I will pay for it, and a model number that confirms the exact item that I have researched and mainly I am patient and will wait for months for the item to show up at the right price.

 Most of the time I get stuff for a steal, a few months ago I got a HP 8684D 20Ghz Signal Generator for $320 + $40 shipping and it worked out of the Box, it needed about 6 hours of work to return it to full operation but most of that was mechanical issues and calibration. I also got a Xytronic 988 soldering/desoldering station a few Weeks before that for about $100 with the Iron missing and one stand missing.  I picked up the missing parts for $50 so in the end I got a $300 soldering/desoldering work station for $150 and a $2500 signal generator for $360 .

IMO that's what eBay is about and I won't waste time on used items that are not a deal.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K0JEG on August 10, 2013, 11:04:26 AM
I bought an IC-9100 from a seller on ebay this summer. I've been wanting one for a while, and most of what was out there was way too high for the condition they were in. This one looked pretty good, the seller said he only used it for a few hours, and even though the opening price was high, I went ahead and bid. I ended up paying what was basically the price of the stock unit new from HRO, but this one had an "upgraded" microphone and included the roofing filters. Was it the cheapest auction? No. Do I think I got screwed? No way. It arrived as described and not a scratch on it (in fact I likely did more damage verifying that the roofing filters were installed when I scraped some of the paint off the screwheads). Since I had planned on getting the roofing filters anyway I basically got them for free. But until it was in my hands I suffered a fair amount of buyers' remorse wondering why I paid so much.

So do your research and realize that something that is well cared for can maintain it's value. Not everything is subject to Moore's law or should be priced like ripe produce.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 10, 2013, 12:54:13 PM
KOJEG I am happy that went well for you, but you do realize that could have easily ended up being a complete disaster.  I have bought a few "Mint Condition" items and found out the Hard way that "Mint" is a subjective term.  That's one of the reasons that I will not buy anything on eBay unless it's at least 30-40% discount vs buying a new one.  I have ended up with several items via eBay that if I had gone by the sellers description and pictures I would have really been SOL!   Luckily because the price was low I did not mind dealing with the scratches or fixing other problems.   

BTW the standard reply to a email sent to a seller about a problem with a unit: "It was fine when I shipped it, something must have happened during shipping, you need to contact UPS"


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K0JEG on August 11, 2013, 12:46:48 PM
KOJEG I am happy that went well for you, but you do realize that could have easily ended up being a complete disaster.  I have bought a few "Mint Condition" items and found out the Hard way that "Mint" is a subjective term.  That's one of the reasons that I will not buy anything on eBay unless it's at least 30-40% discount vs buying a new one.  I have ended up with several items via eBay that if I had gone by the sellers description and pictures I would have really been SOL!   Luckily because the price was low I did not mind dealing with the scratches or fixing other problems.   

BTW the standard reply to a email sent to a seller about a problem with a unit: "It was fine when I shipped it, something must have happened during shipping, you need to contact UPS"

Absolutely agree. In fact, I hadn't bought anything on ebay for a few years, mostly because it suffered the same problem I've seen at most permanent flea markets: "dealers" who want to be in retail but don't want to do the legwork set up shop and take over. But along with them came a bunch of people who heard about how everyone was getting top dollar on Ebay and expect to get top dollar for their junk. Both of these people were catered to by ebay with the "buy it now" price, which defeated the whole point of an auction site, because Amazon starting offering the same sort of storefront to the "dealers" and ebay got nervous. And this purchase happened after several months of searching, both Ebay and other used markets and websites. In fact, I've only been burned once, and that was from a retailer (dealer) who never shipped the product. I got a refund, but it took over a month because Ebay wouldn't let me file until after the "expected" delivery date. I've also backed out of deals that started to smell fishy too, which is another reason why Ebay isn't my first choice anymore.

I've sold quite a few things on Ebay back in the early days and did quite well. But I also put a lot of work into selling, and in the end would rather sell unused stuff at a local hamfest instead. No screwing around with shipping, questioning whether or not you'll get paid, etc. And it's nice to meet the people who buy it.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N9LCD on August 12, 2013, 08:05:39 AM
Simple, that's what THEY think it's worth!!!

N9LCD


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: AA4PB on August 12, 2013, 10:35:40 AM
Actually, it's worth whatever you can get someone to pay for it.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W4KYR on August 12, 2013, 06:35:14 PM
The most recent example of crazy prices is the SG-211 mini tuner which was bidding around the $75 range but suddenly ended up selling for $306.99 !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-SGC-INC-SG-211-Mini-Smart-Tuner-MiniSmartuner-Antenna-/221260146965?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338421e915#ht_431wt_676

This is a tuner that some hams consider troublesome where it would retune in the middle of a QSO. It originally retailed for $179. It got a 3.6/5 on the eham reviews. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4154


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N5INP on August 12, 2013, 06:44:26 PM
Actually, it's worth whatever you can get someone to pay for it.

Yep.

Why do grown men get paid millions of dollars to play a game, and hit small balls thrown at them with wooden sticks, and at the same time other men paid the same to chase the small balls, if hit by the wooden stick, on grass fields with leather gloves? (I'm talking about baseball of course).

I don't agree they are worth the money, but nevertheless, somebody else does, and that's basically all there is to it.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K2OWK on August 12, 2013, 10:08:53 PM
Because I want it. I can afford it, and it is worth it to me. Maybe not you but to me. I buy old radios to repair and restore. I buy some because I had them when I was a kid, or some old ham radio I could not afford back then, but can now. I do not care if you think I paid to much for what you consider old junk. I just want it, and yes I can afford it, and to me it is a bargain at any price. If you don't want something, or you think it is crazy priced, don't buy it. Don't tell me I am overpaying just because you think it is not worth it to you. A fellow in England a while back bought a mock-up of the star ship Enterprise used in the Star Trek series. Paid $750,000.00 for it. If I had the money I would have bought it, you pay your money for what you want and can afford no mater what the price. Too bad if you think I am overpaying.

Just my opinion

73s

K2OWK 


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K7LZR on August 13, 2013, 11:49:43 AM
.....I won't purchase large ticket items either, such as radios, audio gear, and so on. Too much risk Imho.

73
Cheers,
Shawn

Actually, as much as I hate to admit it, eBay is the safest place to buy these types of things. If you buy something from someone here on eHam or QTH or other similar sites, and pay with a check or money order, then you're pretty much screwed if the item isn't as expected. eBay/Paypal will try to get you a refund in these cases.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on August 13, 2013, 04:07:54 PM
The most recent example of crazy prices is the SG-211 mini tuner which was bidding around the $75 range but suddenly ended up selling for $306.99 !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-SGC-INC-SG-211-Mini-Smart-Tuner-MiniSmartuner-Antenna-/221260146965?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338421e915#ht_431wt_676

This is a tuner that some hams consider troublesome where it would retune in the middle of a QSO. It originally retailed for $179. It got a 3.6/5 on the eham reviews. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4154

This is indeed more puzzling than someone paying almost new price for a current production used item. I checked with SGC just before field day and they had these in stock for $179. They do go in and out of production throughout the year, but the point is, it is an available item most of the time. You won't see often see them on eBay, but they general go for about $125. Over $300 is the hallmark of a bidding war between idiots. On the other hand, if the idiots have deep pockets, then more power to them.

I've never felt cheated on eBay by someone outbidding me. What really bugs me is when I forget to check my watch list and one of my items gets auctioned off for way less than I would have paid for it.



Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 14, 2013, 07:25:26 PM
That's just another example of what I said at the start, it's just crazy and stupid to buy used equipment for close to or LOL more than what you can get it for new.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W4KYR on August 15, 2013, 05:02:48 AM

I generally stay away from auctions. The excitement of an auction seems to lose its appeal waiting 7 to 9 days for it to finally end (and making sure you are at the computer so no one out bids you at the last minute ) and then having to wait another 5 days for it to be delivered, 1/2 a month to get the item.

The best (buying) deals on E-Bay for me have seemed to be 'Buy It Now'.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 15, 2013, 10:52:43 AM
I agree, I use a lot of buy it now but you got to be careful because most of those auctions are from online stores and the prices are sometime jacked up.  For example I saw some 10 turn potentiometers for what looked like a reasonable price but when I went to Digikey they were 20% less.  Not a big deal on a cheap item but it happens with more expensive stuff also. The only good thing is that you don't have to wait.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K2OWK on August 15, 2013, 04:02:50 PM
Sitting at your computer is not necessary to bid on and win an item on EBay. Just indicate your maximum bid to EBay and they will bid for you. If bidding starts at $10.00 and you are willing to pay $100.00. Simply bid the $100.00 and EBay will step up the bid one bid at a time. If the bid goes to $75.00. This is what you will pay if the bid closes at this price. If it goes over the $100.00 you will lose the bid, but this would be the maximum you would pay for the item. It is called automatic bidding. I hope this explanes the process.

73s

K2OWK 


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K0JEG on August 17, 2013, 09:02:58 AM
Sitting at your computer is not necessary to bid on and win an item on EBay. Just indicate your maximum bid to EBay and they will bid for you. If bidding starts at $10.00 and you are willing to pay $100.00. Simply bid the $100.00 and EBay will step up the bid one bid at a time. If the bid goes to $75.00. This is what you will pay if the bid closes at this price. If it goes over the $100.00 you will lose the bid, but this would be the maximum you would pay for the item. It is called automatic bidding. I hope this explanes the process.

73s

K2OWK 

And avoid bids that end in even numbers like $100.00. Unless you're really set on no more than $100, put in $102.5 or so. That way if someone else bids up to 100 and stops you'll still have a chance.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W4KYR on August 17, 2013, 01:39:02 PM
What were the better (buying) deals for everyone and was it Buy It Now or Auction?


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on August 17, 2013, 02:59:08 PM
What were the better (buying) deals for everyone and was it Buy It Now or Auction?

I think the 'buy it now' deals are--if the price is right.  I usually know how much I'm willing to spend, and I'll look for the deals on that basis and the condition first.  I avoid anything that has 'stock' photos, since unless the item is new, I want to see what I'm buying.  Yes, I know that someone could switch the picture (right now, Radio Mart comes to mind--that guy is famous for doing that) but I've never been disappointed yet.

My thought is that a person selling for a 'buy it now' price knows what he wants to get and doesn't want to bother dickering around and waiting for an auction to end.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 17, 2013, 07:27:54 PM
I have found that there is no set rule on buy it now versus an auction.  If I need it right away and the price is ok I use buy it now, but if I am not in a rush it will all depend on what the search results come up with.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W8DPC on August 18, 2013, 10:25:57 PM
A little while back I found an Icom 2100h for $135. I paid $125 for mine NEW 10 years ago!

The bad thing is, whenever I sell something, I can hardly get anything for it. If I sold my 2100 I'd be lucky to get $50 for it. But if I'm the one buying, whatever I want is going for a premium.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on August 19, 2013, 05:55:24 AM
...The bad thing is, whenever I sell something, I can hardly get anything for it. If I sold my 2100 I'd be lucky to get $50 for it. But if I'm the one buying, whatever I want is going for a premium.

Hey!  Me too....   ;D


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W1JKA on August 19, 2013, 09:25:35 AM
  Unless your a GOTTA have it today guy why even bother with eBay? Instead use your local state Craig's List.Most any ham related item will show up either directly or indirectly through contact with ham radio sell/buy posters. Sacrifice a Saturday and some gas, go see touch smell and a lot of cases operate the item then make your best deal, put in your car and drive home happy with no reason to bitch afterwards. If distance is a problem we often meet halfway at a local McDonalds parking lot.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 19, 2013, 02:04:45 PM
And the "Stupid Ham Radio Auction" of the week prize goes to..........

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alpha-78-PA-78PA-Hf-Linear-Amplifier-Original-Box-SCARCE-Amp-/181113737330?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Amplifiers&hash=item2a2b385072#ht_305wt_926


Yes folks it's real and it has 6 watchers  ::) ::)

$125 for a beat up old looking Box !!  IMO it's very clear you should stay far away from this seller.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on August 19, 2013, 02:18:32 PM
If one has a desire to own this box, and can afford it, then one would be happy to see this fine box become available.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 19, 2013, 04:15:47 PM
At those prices I could make a living making fake boxes with all the original labeling.  All I would need is one original box and I could scan in the art work and make transfers iron on's with a Laser Jet printer. Then put them onto a box of the exact dimensions and with the same quality cardboard.   Hmmmm make ten of them and that's $1000 in my pocket LOL.

 


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 20, 2013, 02:52:26 PM
Here's another funny one.
http://www.eBay.com/itm/Ten-Tec-Hercules-444-Amateur-Ham-Radio-Amplifier-1-KW-As-is-for-Repair-or-Parts-/231034114762?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Amplifiers&hash=item35cab4d2ca#ht_4300wt_1164

This Amplifier sat at $50 for 3 day and yesterday with no bids the auction expired.
The Seller re-listed it about 1 hour later and he did over the description wording. On the first auction he made it clear this was a heap of Junk.

Here is what he said:

  "This auction is for a used Ten-Tec Hercules 444 Solid State HF Amplifier. This amp was part of an estate and is not in working order. This amp is being sold AS junk, For parts only. We know for sure it is not working. It may not be wroth fixing. It may be missing parts. It is not working and being sold as Junk. It is dirty and dusty and beat up looking. It is being offered as a Tech Special or for parts only. It is being sold AS IS with no returns accepted on this item. The power supply for this amp is listed as a separate item on Ebay"


When he put it up the second time he reworded it:

"This auction is for a used Ten-Tec Hercules 444 Solid State HF Amplifier. This amp was part of an estate and is not in working order. There are some cables that are unplugged inside as if someone had been trouble shooting a problem. It may have major problems, parts missing or may be an easy fix. We know for sure it is not working. It is being offered as a Tech Special or for parts only. It is being sold AS IS with no returns accepted on this item. The power supply for this amp is listed as a separate item on Ebay. It is dirty and dusty and beat up"





 By some "miracle"  ;) within a few minutes of it being re-listed a $50 Bid came in right away  ;D  Now it's gone past $200  ::)   Does any of the bidders know that you can't get the finals for this amp or that Ten Tec themselves say it cannot be repaired by substitute parts ??



Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on August 20, 2013, 02:56:22 PM
That would be dishonest, unless you were to disclose that the boxes are reproductions and not original boxes. You would still probably get some buyers. I've seen lots of equipment boxes sold on eBay to people who are likely turning around and selling some equipment "in the box". It generally tends to increase the final value by around 15%, sometimes more.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N7BMW on August 20, 2013, 10:08:34 PM
KD8MJR look again.  The seller has two of these.  Both listings are active. 


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 21, 2013, 11:35:50 AM
KD8MJR look again.  The seller has two of these.  Both listings are active. 

Thanks for the heads up, your right.  The only strange thing left is that they are using the same photo for both of them?


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W1JKA on August 22, 2013, 03:55:53 AM
  I think Deflation is finally kicking in. Used to be that Suckers were a dime a dozen, now they are a Penny a dozen and the birth rate for same seems to have increased from one a minute to three or four.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on August 23, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
  I think Deflation is finally kicking in. Used to be that Suckers were a dime a dozen, now they are a Penny a dozen and the birth rate for same seems to have increased from one a minute to three or four.

Lol you are not kidding.   Last night the YL and myself watched a bit of one of those "Home Channels" and the show was about a couple who bought a $500K foreclosed house that had been vandalized, they got it for the "low price" of something like $260K and they then fixed it up and sold it for $360K making a $60K profit.  We both looked at each other and said here we go again, they are trying to kickstart the whole house flipping industry again!  Have people learned nothing!  I have several cousins who are penniless because of that musical chairs game. They got caught without a chair when the music stopped and ended up holding several houses with no buyers and lots of bank debt.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on August 23, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
How is this thread on topic?


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W1JKA on August 24, 2013, 03:58:23 AM
Re:K5TED reply #46

  Posting possible different answers (mostly opinions) IS the theme of the topic even if different correlations are used.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W4FBI on August 26, 2013, 08:23:52 AM
Agreed!

One of my favorites is the FT-8900R. There are 12 listings (today) and every one of them is OVER the retail price of $368 (after rebate with free shipping). Some as high as $600 with shipping. Same goes for the FT-8800R

I don't get it  :o


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N5INP on August 26, 2013, 10:08:12 AM
Here is what he said:

  "This auction is for a used Ten-Tec Hercules 444 Solid State HF Amplifier. This amp was part of an estate and is not in working order. This amp is being sold AS junk, For parts only. We know for sure it is not working. It may not be wroth fixing. It may be missing parts. It is not working and being sold as Junk. It is dirty and dusty and beat up looking. It is being offered as a Tech Special or for parts only. It is being sold AS IS with no returns accepted on this item. The power supply for this amp is listed as a separate item on Ebay"


I gotta try this on Ebay someday:

 "This auction is for a used rock. It is a rock that I dug up in my backyard. It is not a valuable rock as far as I know, and it has no redeeming qualities, is dirty, and not special in any way. While it possibly MAY be valuable or have value as a garden addition or paper weight, I do not guarantee this. This rock is being sold AS IS with no returns accepted on this item. "


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KG8LB on August 26, 2013, 10:22:20 AM
  You will see the same and often much higher prices on places like  QTH .  No bidding just starting high , often twice what a similar item brings on ebay .  ebay actually works quite well . One has to accept that there are many people willing and able to spend a few dollars more .

  I am amazed at what anyone will pay for ANY imported radio . But hey , it is their money after all .


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W4KYR on August 26, 2013, 12:32:08 PM


 I don't understand why regular HF rigs like the FT 897 that are selling from Japan are so expensive . Check the price of this out $1,727 (plus $55 for shipping). What is so special about them other than they are configured for Japanese hams?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FT-897D-Japan-Standard-YAESU-1-9MHz-430MHz-band-all-mode-machine-amateur-radio-/171075377443?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item27d4e31923


Here is another one. Icom ID 51 the new dual band D-Star HT. This is also selling from Japan and they want $859 for it plus $33 for shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/earphone-microphone-set-Icom-1-ID-51-144-430MHz-digital-analog-transceiver-/181174981888?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item2a2eded500




Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W1JKA on August 26, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
Re:W4KYR reply #5

 OK I'll open up a can of worms: Consider the possibility of higher quality components in the units made for the Japanese market whose hams generally keep their rigs considerably longer than hams in the U.S. market a trend which is not lost on the Japanese manufacturers.To wit, more than a few U.S. servicemen in the 60's and 70's who bought Sony, Akai, Citizen etc. products in Japan outside of military base PX's noticed the internal quality and longevity of the same make and model that was designated for export.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W2WDX on September 06, 2013, 10:06:13 PM
In the science of "Behavioral Economics" (versus the so-called Rational Economics that is the basis of all economic planning for the past 50 years. Yeah ... that worked well ... Harumph!) their is a demonstration that has been performed often. It is very telling about human nature and rational behavior when it comes to spending money and economic decision making.

A room full of people are told they are going to bid on a $20 bill with bidding starting at $1. The terms are if you win you get the $20 bill, however whomever comes in second place at the end of the auction will have to pay $5 to the seller.

Almost without fail, the $20 bill sells for more than face value, usually around $28.

Without getting into the psychology behind this irrational behavior it does explain what happens on eBay. Ya gotta win!

I never buy anything at auction, I buy fixed price items I feel are priced appropriately for my pocket.

Of course there are the people who have millions (or billions) of dollars in disposable funds, who do not value $500 (or even $5000) the way the rest of us do. To them it's pocket change, literally. For them $5000 holds the same relative value as a quarter does for us. So for them, winning is fun and money is meaningless. For them everything is affordable at any price.

Go figure.

John


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on September 07, 2013, 05:05:08 AM
Re:W4KYR reply #5

 OK I'll open up a can of worms: Consider the possibility of higher quality components in the units made for the Japanese market whose hams generally keep their rigs considerably longer than hams in the U.S. market a trend which is not lost on the Japanese manufacturers.To wit, more than a few U.S. servicemen in the 60's and 70's who bought Sony, Akai, Citizen etc. products in Japan outside of military base PX's noticed the internal quality and longevity of the same make and model that was designated for export.

It isn't a possibility, it's a fact.  BTW, just where does everyone think that those rejected components that the Japanese manufacturers don't want end up?  Most of them go to China and to the factories there.  Sure, they may have been OK and just not up to Japanese standards, but some were definitely worse--and the Chinese factories just use them anyway.  It's painfully obvious--lower quality parts for less cost equals lower prices for goods.  Some people just refuse to see the truth.

Witness those low cost items that are listed on E-bay that are shipped from China--or even Hong Kong now.  Also those low cost things available at Harbor Freight.  Made in China--every one of them, yet people will buy them without a second glance because they're low priced.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W2WDX on September 07, 2013, 02:21:29 PM
Oh yeah, Hams complaining about people buying on the cheap. There's an oximoron!

This coming from the cheapest group of hobbyists I have ever seen. A group who has guys that say they'll use a dried up old corn muffin for an insulator because it costs nothing. I exaggerate, but you know what I mean.

Hams either want to spend nothing or spend way too much for for something non-essential or ineffective, like auto-tuners.

Boy, we are an odd lot!!!

I wonder ... a corn muffin ... Hmmm?


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on September 08, 2013, 05:26:03 AM
...Boy, we are an odd lot!!!

I kinda think that that's the best description of an amateur radio operator said in a long time.  73!


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W1JKA on September 08, 2013, 06:12:39 AM
Re: W2WDX reply #55

  You nailed it "an odd lot" from A hole to Zealot and everything in between which is the ideal spread for interesting rag chews.



Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KE4JOY on September 08, 2013, 02:16:39 PM
A dried up old corn muffin for an insulator! What a great idea! I wonder if spaghetti would work for a coil??  ;D


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on September 08, 2013, 10:17:43 PM

This coming from the cheapest group of hobbyists I have ever seen. A group who has guys that say they'll use a dried up old corn muffin for an insulator because it costs nothing. I exaggerate, but you know what I mean.

Hams either want to spend nothing or spend way too much for for something non-essential or ineffective, like auto-tuners.

Boy, we are an odd lot!!!

I wonder ... a corn muffin ... Hmmm?

I don't know how to evaluate that.  I find ham radio to be one of the most expensive hobbies that I have ever been in and that's coming from a guy that spent big bucks in Scuba Diving a fair amount in RC planes and a crap load in Saltwater Reef Aquariums.  I know some guys don't spend much but a lot of hams boast $3000 - $8000 radios and Amps in that same price range, not to mention the cost of a good antenna.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on September 09, 2013, 06:05:23 AM
Ham radio is as expensive as you want to make it.  Some hams have gotten on the air for a couple of hundred dollars while others spend thousands on their shacks.  It depends on the person who is buying and using the gear.

I know that comment that W2WDX made was a kind of shot at my post, yet he's right.  Just remember that it depends on the ham doing the spending! 

I admit that I look for bargains as well as the next guy, but I also want my moneys worth.  I'd rather spend a little more and get that worth (on a new item) than throw money away on something that doesn't last--or doesn't work at all.  There are still some of us that share that view around, even though we seem to be a dying breed.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on September 09, 2013, 11:50:16 AM
I don't think that kind of thinking is dying out, if anything I think more people have taken that view since the crash of 2008.   Even though you can get into Ham Radio for a few hundred it's a hobby that will easily consume several thousand in a very slow methodical way.
I started with a 440S and 4 radios later I am using a Icom 7600 with a Tokyo Hy-power amp.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KF7VXA on September 11, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
It's not much different on the Gun bidding sites, prices are way up and sometimes you happen on a good deal, other times you get junk.

I've found it best to buy used from either a good dealer if the price is right or from a web site such as this one. Especially if you have been around it for a while and get to know many of the people who post. Another Ham who is in a club or close by can be a great source also. Patience is the key sometimes
You can also look at their rating.

I got a mint Yaesu 450AT with two Alpha Delta dipole antennas from a young man needing money for college from one of the sites. Cost me $600.00. To me it was a fair price, the radio works great and I hope I helped the young man out with his education.

I may have been able to get the radio for a little less, but the two antennas and honesty of the person made it a good buy for me. He sent lost of pictures, answered all questions and sent his phone number. I always give my phone number except on e bay, as it gives me a chance to talk one on one with someone. If I'm selling, I can give him every detail and vice-versa.

73's John


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on September 15, 2013, 01:17:05 PM
After weeks and weeks of research I now know that one thing is for certain on eBay.

Never ever go there looking for the following.

FT-857D
FT-817nd
IC-7000

After following dozens of auctions from start to finish I have found the following:

On any of the above models in good condition you will pay 90% - 200% of the cost of a NIB one from HRO.

On ones missing parts  like the separation kit or mounting brackets or being scratched up you will pay 85% - 100% of a NIB unit.

Units that have Blown Finals or don't work on 2M/440 or have other serious defects you will pay %60 - %75 of the price of a NIB unit.

Almost all the units that start out with no reserve end up going for 10-20% more than units with a reserve price.

Funny thing is that about 40% of the units sold reappear again a week later.  The idiots buy the thing then the Sherlock's decide to do their research  ::) and find out they paid too much and back out of paying the seller.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on September 15, 2013, 08:26:07 PM
Some folks can afford to shell out a few hundred for toys, and not worry about it so much.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: AD4U on September 25, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
All of the above and then some.  Ever wonder why people sell things at public auctions?  Some people get emotionally caught up in the moment and let their emotions over-ride good sense.

For example:  A couple of weeks ago I listed an Anritsu MS-2711D 0-3GHz spectrum analyzer here in eham that was in absolutely perfect cosmetic and working condition.  I bought it new so it was not some "estate sale junk".  The MS-2711D has options 3 and 21 and the built in tracking generator and can demodulate (receive in addition to displaying) AM, FM-W, FM-N, USB, LSB, and CW.  I asked $1995 which is less than 1/3 of what it cost new.

I had several inquires each of whom tried to get me to come down on my price to $1500 or less.

I got aggrevated and listed it on ebay and sold it almost immediately for my "buy it now price" of $3495.

I guess items going for insane prices on ebay all depends on whether you are the "buyer" or the "seller".

Dick  AD4U


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KF6VCI on October 02, 2013, 05:26:00 AM
Well, I have had different issues on Ebay. After bidding on 3 mint Alinco V-47 H-Ts, I won one of them. The seller wasn't accepting Paypal and hadn't provided bank details. Anyhow, she sent a message saying the battery is burnt up. I still wanted it as I had several fitting battery cases... No deal. Ebay wouldn't help.
Similar incidents happened, when sellers wouldn't sell the items. One guy claimed his brother had sold the item bla bla. In a nutshell, when the deal is good, you may never get a seller to honor it!


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W9GB on October 02, 2013, 05:48:32 AM
Chris -

You likely ran across a Money Laundering seller on eBay.
There is no product, except for fronted photos of a virtual product.

IF you weren't designated person, then excuses abound.
Some of the WACKY High prices for auction items, begin to make sense.
You can figure out the rest.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N3AEG on October 02, 2013, 06:14:56 AM
It's not only eBay.  I was looking for used radio equipment on Craigslist and found someone selling an FT-817ND for $550.  I e-mailed him and asked if it's used or new and, if used, what's the condition.  He responded back saying he had one left which was in "good condition" for $590.  I pointed out that his ad indicated $550 and he responded "that was a different one".  Why would I pay $590 for a used radio when I could get a brand new one from HRO for $609 after rebate?


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: WY4J on November 11, 2013, 05:38:44 AM
Craigslist is another animal. Not long ago. A moron posted a Browning Golden Eagle CB from the 70's as a rare and antique radio from the 1920's and was asking $3,500 for it. Most on Craigslist in my city are either scammers or those who ask exorbitant prices for their trinkets. I have been searching Craigslist daily for ham radio equipment for the last 10 years and I can say that I might have found 3 or 4 deals.

As far a Ebay, I think is a combination of crooked dishonesty as with shill bidding, lying and the morons who will drive up the price of an item a week before the end of the auction. The morons are much worse than the crooks as there are more of them around and getting stupider by the day. Why would you be so stupid and drive up the price by bidding on something you know you have no chance of winning. Once there are too many idiots bidding on it I usually delete it from my watch list. If there are no bids or just a few, I watch the item that has been listed for a small fraction of the value and fight it out the last 5-7 seconds and let the best man win. I will click with just a few seconds to go with my opening bid and my highest bid. If I win it is fine. If I lose it is fine. Whatever the trinket, is not worth getting upset about or getting into a fight with a stranger. I will not bid on item if I cannot bid on it on the last few seconds as there will usually someone there who will outbid you at the end.

I purchase many of the little and unusual items that are difficult to finds or are just much more expensive on Amazon or the local stores.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W4KYR on November 11, 2013, 09:03:21 AM
Some of the items on E-bay are way overpriced. But I have also seen items selling for very reasonable prices. For me most of the best deals have been Buy It Now and sometimes Best Offer.  The few times I have bid on an item in an auction say a Signalink USB, four days into the auction with five more days to go and the item would be up to $75 (plus another $15 for shipping).

But doing a new search again under the Buy It Now (search parameter) shows that there is now a new listing for that same item but this one is a Buy It Now for $90 with free shipping. So why should I wait another 5 days when I could buy the item now?

I know can put my high bid ahead of time for the item days in advance, but I might be able to get the same item for less and in faster time through a new Buy It Now listing.  If you put in your high bid in advance, you are committing yourself to that item for that price. I could understand if it is a item that rarely comes up on E-Bay but most of the stuff that comes up E-Bay is fairly common.

By the way, that nine day auction translates up to two weeks from first seeing it on E-Bay to having it delivered (that is, if you won the item)... They need to make the auctions much shorter, nine days is way too long, perhaps less than a day, maybe an hour or two. Better yet make the auctions as long as they do at a real auction house, 5 or 10 minutes.





Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N4GKS on November 11, 2013, 06:12:11 PM
What I don't get are the direct rigs from Japan that are twice as much as here in the states. Case in point, am I missing something?

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAESU-FTDX1200-100W-HF-50MHz-transceiver-Free-Shipping-from-Japan-/151110933047?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item232ee9da37


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N4GKS on November 11, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
Some people just aren't very smart...

These are the same idiots who pay seperate shipping and handling for 2 shower mats on tv. Same box but seperate s/h. Suckers are amazing.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: WY4J on November 12, 2013, 02:06:35 PM
What I don't get are the direct rigs from Japan that are twice as much as here in the states. Case in point, am I missing something?

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAESU-FTDX1200-100W-HF-50MHz-transceiver-Free-Shipping-from-Japan-/151110933047?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item232ee9da37


Doubt they have ever sold any. Maybe they come with a free Japanese cutie in the box. ;D

Best thing is when an idiot bids on an item for 6 days thinking that he/she needs to be first through the entire bidding process but has not yet driven the price pass what would consider a fair price on one of the ham sites and BANG!!! out of nowhere you snipe the moron in the last 5 seconds of the auction and snatch it from him.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: N4GKS on November 12, 2013, 03:49:04 PM
I sold a telescope on Ebay and was glad to get 3/4 of what I paid. The last 2 minutes a guy sniped and the price went up past $1300.00 which is what I paid originally. I couldn't believe it. I once sold a matching speaker for a 1000 MP which I had an extra one of. Two guys got into a pissing contest and it went for $45.00 more than a new one cost. Unreal.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TEN on November 22, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Flippin' N00bs that see a rig or accessory on a 7 day auction and start a bidding war on the first day.

I wish I could slap them upside the had 80 or 90 times.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: WY4J on November 22, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
Quote
I wish I could slap them upside the had 80 or 90 times.

 Agree, just don't know how people can be so stupid and drive the price to a crazy amount 6 days before the auction ends....COMPLETE MORONS!!!! Why not watch the item ans snipe it on the last 5 seconds of the auction. If you win it you got if for a good deal. If you lose it then you get to bid again. But if those who drive up the prize days before never get to own the item. is like they enjoy driving up the price and them going away. All I can say is...human buttholes with very little grey matter upstairs.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on November 23, 2013, 07:26:14 AM
What I don't get are the direct rigs from Japan that are twice as much as here in the states. Case in point, am I missing something?

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAESU-FTDX1200-100W-HF-50MHz-transceiver-Free-Shipping-from-Japan-/151110933047?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item232ee9da37


Yes, maybe.  Unless it's stated (no I didn't try to read the gibberish that was on the auction page) that it's a radio produced for the US market, you may end up with a radio that has to be modified to conform to the FCC specs for that rig.  I'm pretty sure that some of those radios have enabled transmitting bandspace that shouldn't be enabled in the US version and other transmitting bandspace that isn't enabled that should be.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K1CJS on November 23, 2013, 07:30:27 AM
The best way to shop is to set the site to show new listings in the 'buy it now' list.  If you see what you're looking for at a price you would pay.... 

Otherwise, in regular auctions, e-bay has become next to useless because of the morons who bid up the items.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: W5ARP on November 26, 2013, 10:24:23 AM
If you do indulge in the auctions (as opposed to the buy-it-now) there is one overriding strategy you must always take--do not get emotionally invested in winning.  For instance, if you are looking for an entry level rig and have decided on a used IC718, spend a couple of weeks looking at existing auctions, or do a closed auction search, so you see the closing price of a dozen or auctions.  You'll find that they usually close above $420.  Pick a number at the lower end of the range, then bid that number.  The higher number you bid the sooner you'll win.  If you are outbid, never up you bid--another one will come along.  As long as the price you chose wasn't unreasonable, you will most likely eventually win one.  If you chose $500 for that item, you'll probably win the next auction, but if you chose $420, you will probably have to go through a number of auctions before you actually win.  Also, when you search closed auctions and none of them close at a price you consider reasonable, then walk away--chances are vanishingly small that you will be able to win one at a lower price.  Find another place to buy.

When people get emotionally invested in an item, they will keep rationalizing to themselves--"another $10 isn't much"--and it isn't until you do that ten times.  The emotional investment also tends to come when they see the price start at a great deal.  They've identified with the item when bidding was at $280, and looks like a great deal.  The don't reevaluate the value proposition now that bidding is up to $450.

I remember years ago, I wanted a Canon GL1 Semi Pro MiniDV camcorder because I was starting a production business.  It was just released a few months earlier, and was in high demand.  I started watching auctions for new GL1s on eBay (this was probably about 1999) and they were closing at $2300-$2400 dollars.  I noticed the seller had a website.  I went to their website and ordered the same--brand new--camera from the same seller, but from their store instead of eBay, for---$2100!

The only time you should bid up, is when the rarity of an item makes it unlikely that you will find another.  If you see a genuine Vincent Black Shadow--bid away, it will be a long time before you see another.  But, at any particular moment, there are half a dozen FT-857D's on auction in the US.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: WD4CHP on November 26, 2013, 03:30:28 PM
I used to be one of the noobies that got caught up in the bidding wars.

I watch an item and bid at the last minute if it is still in my price range.

If not someone else will have it for sale.

Take your time and you will get what you want.



Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: WY4J on May 30, 2015, 02:49:51 PM
I just can't believe the prices people list things for.  I just say someone list a used item for $100 + shipping that Amazon sells new for $7. Today someone was selling a Begali a used key for $350 that you can buy new for $270. Most times people used their stuff and them sell it for 5 or 10 bucks less and free shipping. And the funny thing is that some one will jump on it to save 5 bucks. I guess hams these days are nowhere close to the old timers who would kill you for a nickel.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on May 31, 2015, 06:13:38 PM
Flippin' N00bs that see a rig or accessory on a 7 day auction and start a bidding war on the first day.

I wish I could slap them upside the had 80 or 90 times.

Yes I also see it all the time and would love to join you in slapping them  ;D
I think I know why it happens.
I have read a few posts on eHam were people recommend that when you locate an item you want, just put in the maximum amount your willing to pay and then wait to see if you win.  That approach has one Major flaw, what happens when two or three people also put in their maximum.  The auction instantly goes up to a very high value and then sits their untouched until the last 10 minutes when someone may try upping the max by a few dollars.  eBay biggest problem is the amount of mega sellers/buyers that they cater to and the bad reputation they give the place.  Most mega sellers also seem to use the maximum amount strategy but they hold off until 1 or 2 days are left.

BTW I was amazed to see eBays new strategy, "The Live Auction".  As if people did not make enough regretted purchases with unlimited time, now they will squeeze your decision time down to a few minutes.  I am sure it will make them bags of money in the short term but it will also leave more and more customers with a "I hate eBay" attitude.

here is an example of one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ICOM-IC-756PROIII-756-PRO-III-HAM-RADIO-TRANSCEIVER-WITH-ORIGINAL-BOX-Lot-139-/381257807877?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58c4bc7805

I bet in the frenzy it sells for $2K or more.
And note the 17% added to the winning bid and the flat $65 shipping charge.
So in your "I got to win" frenzy you win this thing for $2000 with a sudden regret, you then get kicked in the nutz again when you remember there is an extra $405 charge for eBay fee's and shipping.

73s
Rob


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: K5TED on May 31, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
Snipe often and snipe high. The best way to win an auction is to wait til the last 5 seconds, put in your maximum bid, and go from there. If you don't win it, then you didn't put in your maximum bid. If you can't be there in the last 5 seconds, then you are not in an auction.




Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KD8MJR on May 31, 2015, 07:12:49 PM
Snipe often and snipe high. The best way to win an auction is to wait til the last 5 seconds, put in your maximum bid, and go from there. If you don't win it, then you didn't put in your maximum bid. If you can't be there in the last 5 seconds, then you are not in an auction.

Works sometimes, but it can often lead to paying more than you should.
I had an auction that I decided $500 was my limit. I went for the last 5 second thing but at about 10 seconds it went up from $400 to $550 so I put in $600 and ended up with it for $595 which was really not a deal at all. I would have been better off avoiding getting bit by the bidding frenzy and just put in my $500 bid 10 minutes before it ended and let some other sucker get stuck with a $590 bill.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: G3RZP on June 01, 2015, 01:11:15 AM
How many of these early bids are shills just pushing the price up?


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: PITSWL on June 01, 2015, 06:28:29 AM
How many of these early bids are shills just pushing the price up?

IMO, most of them. Personally, I think there's a ton of shill-bidding at the end too.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: NK7Z on June 01, 2015, 06:59:21 AM
Find your item on eBay, use a sniper, set what price you want to pay, then walk away...  You would be surprised at how many of these types of auctions you will win.


Title: RE: Why are people paying these Crazy prices on eBay?
Post by: KB2FCV on June 02, 2015, 03:36:55 AM
I have been on both ends of some of the crazy prices on ebay. As a bidder, sometimes you see something that is perfect.. you have to have it at any price and you wouldn't dare lose it to somebody else. I usually always bid smart and will generally let an item go if it exceeds what I think it's worth and I know there will / are others... but... there have been a couple of rare instances where I find something that is a little harder to find that is absolutely perfect and I'm not sure I will find exactly what I was looking for again. I have overpaid for a couple of items.. but they are in my shack.

As a seller, I have had a few of my items bidded up in a bidding war. I had some vintage homebrew receiver I tossed up which I wasn't expecting to get more than $20 or $30 dollars for. Apparently it was a popular design that worked with some generic dial that nowadays is kinda hard to find. It sold for roughly $650 dollars! In the last few mins it had a fierce bidding war. I also had a nice clean 75A-4 I sold a while back that also got into a bidding war.. so it's never a bad thing to be a seller on the receiving end of that. Lastly, when I sold my K2 I put it up with no reserve. I actually had a bidder write to me saying the price it was selling for was too high, that you could get a new one for the same price. Hey, I put it up for no reserve.. the bidders who want it are deciding the price. The bidder thought I was nuts. Huh? Also, I have never and would never shill bid. I have had plenty of things sell for below what they are worth. In the end, an item is worth what someone is willing to pay.