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Title: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: KJ6ZOL on September 09, 2013, 06:31:49 PM
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130821/182889844/Voice-of-Russia-Radio-Stops-Shortwave-Service.html

Once again, the culprit is budget cuts. Like BBC and DW, they plan to rely on FM, and three AM freqs to Russia's "near abroad", which has always been more of a concern to them. Another former powerhouse reduced to broadcasting to the former empire. The problem with local FM is that it can be shut down by local authorities in the event of civil unrest or other disaster, as happened to BBC's Katmandu FM stn during the Nepalese civil war in the mid 2000s.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: K5TED on September 09, 2013, 06:37:36 PM
International broadcasting is going down the tubes because shortsighted populists believe there is no need.

They are correct. There is also no need for the other thousands of wasteful government programs, none of which is as inherently cool as international broadcasting.



Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: WW7KE on September 10, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
International broadcasting is going down the tubes because shortsighted populists believe there is no need.

There is no need because there are very few listeners.  Governments don't operate expensive transmitters for hobbyists.

There is probably no need whatsoever for general coverage receivers anymore.  Outside of us hams, use of the HF spectrum is dying fast.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: W6EM on September 10, 2013, 04:14:01 PM
About 90% of SW had a political, at least, if not a propagandistic purpose.  Radio Free Europe, Voice of Russia (new and old), China, Japan, and our own Voice of America come to mind.

Certainly there aren't enough in most of the English speaking world who have the means, let alone the desire to listen anymore.  Besides the latest news, most of the content sucks.

Any interest in a "second opinion" on issues of interest is usually met via sources from the WWW.  Except for a few of us old guys/gals who have HF receiving capability.

So, if Putin wants to propagandize us, all he has to do is call up Christine Amanpour, and she'll be in Mockba in a half hour for the recorded CNN interview or a longer spiel, as needed.  He doesn't need to waste all that energy on half-megawatt transmitters (at probably 75% efficiency) that melt the Winter snow.....or pay off Raul Castro to stoke sugar cane in his nearby power plants and HF radio equipment when Habana Rose is taking a break.

So, bottom line is, we can soon expect to see MORE Ruskie-surplus water-cooled high power triodes and tetrodes on eBay.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: N5INP on September 10, 2013, 04:27:10 PM
There is probably no need whatsoever for general coverage receivers anymore.  Outside of us hams, use of the HF spectrum is dying fast.

Yup.

Nobody I know listens to shortwave, especially for any kind of news from other countries. Hah. If I asked anyone I know if they listen to shortwave international broadcasting I'd be met with the strangest look you've ever seen.  ???

Most of the strongest signals I've run across lately are religious broadcasters in the U.S. I guess trying to convert the rest of the world to their particular brand of woo. Good luck with that.

It's either TV or the internets.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: KJ6ZOL on September 10, 2013, 04:28:05 PM
About 90% of SW had a political, at least, if not a propagandistic purpose.  Radio Free Europe, Voice of Russia (new and old), China, Japan, and our own Voice of America come to mind.

Certainly there aren't enough in most of the English speaking world who have the means, let alone the desire to listen anymore.  Besides the latest news, most of the content sucks.

Any interest in a "second opinion" on issues of interest is usually met via sources from the WWW.  Except for a few of us old guys/gals who have HF receiving capability.

So, if Putin wants to propagandize us, all he has to do is call up Christine Amanpour, and she'll be in Mockba in a half hour for the recorded CNN interview or a longer spiel, as needed.  He doesn't need to waste all that energy on half-megawatt transmitters (at probably 75% efficiency) that melt the Winter snow.....or pay off Raul Castro to stoke sugar cane in his nearby power plants and HF radio equipment when Habana Rose is taking a break.

So, bottom line is, we can soon expect to see MORE Ruskie-surplus water-cooled high power triodes and tetrodes on eBay.

Russia has Russia Today satellite TV to get its message out.

www.rt.com

Russia Today, despite its name, is largely geared towards an American audience-most of the programming is in English and regards NAm and Europe. Russia's allies also have satellite TV, such as Al Jazeera English, to propagandize. Even Iran is shifting to satellite TV, look up "Press TV". I'm seriously thinking of investing in a used Big Ugly Satellite Dish. The only place where HF still lives is in China and Africa, where people are too poor to invest in TV, and too widely scattered for AM and FM. Hams also use HF.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: KJ6ZOL on September 10, 2013, 04:30:11 PM
There is probably no need whatsoever for general coverage receivers anymore.  Outside of us hams, use of the HF spectrum is dying fast.

Yup.

Nobody I know listens to shortwave, especially for any kind of news from other countries. Hah. If I asked anyone I know if they listen to shortwave international broadcasting I'd be met with the strangest look you've ever seen.  ???

Most of the strongest signals I've run across lately are religious broadcasters in the U.S. I guess trying to convert the rest of the world to their particular brand of woo. Good luck with that.

It's either TV or the internets.

Rumor has it that the "religious" stns in the US are in fact fronts for the CIA. Some have reportedly heard narrow digital subcarriers on them.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: K5TED on September 10, 2013, 04:58:36 PM
There is probably no need whatsoever for general coverage receivers anymore.  Outside of us hams, use of the HF spectrum is dying fast.

Yup.

Nobody I know listens to shortwave, especially for any kind of news from other countries. Hah. If I asked anyone I know if they listen to shortwave international broadcasting I'd be met with the strangest look you've ever seen.  ???

Most of the strongest signals I've run across lately are religious broadcasters in the U.S. I guess trying to convert the rest of the world to their particular brand of woo. Good luck with that.

It's either TV or the internets.

Rumor has it that the "religious" stns in the US are in fact fronts for the CIA. Some have reportedly heard narrow digital subcarriers on them.


Digital subcarriers? What's the formula for calculating the proper aperture in the tinfoil hat earflaps to allow these transmissions to be heard?


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: WS4E on September 11, 2013, 06:37:24 AM
Russia has Russia Today satellite TV to get its message out.

www.rt.com

Russia Today, despite its name, is largely geared towards an American audience-most of the programming is in English and regards NAm and Europe. Russia's allies also have satellite TV, such as Al Jazeera English, to propagandize. Even Iran is shifting to satellite TV, look up "Press TV". I'm seriously thinking of investing in a used Big Ugly Satellite Dish. The only place where HF still lives is in China and Africa, where people are too poor to invest in TV, and too widely scattered for AM and FM. Hams also use HF.


RT is now one of the best news organizations in the world.  Shame the Russians even have better news media than the US does now.  We are turning into the (formerly police state) USSR, and Russia is turning into the (formerly free) USA.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: AA4HA on September 11, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
Nobody I know listens to shortwave, especially for any kind of news from other countries. Hah. If I asked anyone I know if they listen to shortwave international broadcasting I'd be met with the strangest look you've ever seen.  ???
I just tell them that I am listening to numbers stations to receive my invasion planning orders from Jupiter.

They back away, slowly.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: KE7TMA on September 16, 2013, 06:31:34 PM
There is probably no need whatsoever for general coverage receivers anymore.  Outside of us hams, use of the HF spectrum is dying fast.

Yup.

Nobody I know listens to shortwave, especially for any kind of news from other countries. Hah. If I asked anyone I know if they listen to shortwave international broadcasting I'd be met with the strangest look you've ever seen.  ???

Most of the strongest signals I've run across lately are religious broadcasters in the U.S. I guess trying to convert the rest of the world to their particular brand of woo. Good luck with that.

It's either TV or the internets.

Rumor has it that the "religious" stns in the US are in fact fronts for the CIA. Some have reportedly heard narrow digital subcarriers on them.


Digital subcarriers? What's the formula for calculating the proper aperture in the tinfoil hat earflaps to allow these transmissions to be heard?

I have in fact heard some pretty interesting and mysterious sidetones that appear to be digital modulation on Pastor Melissa Scott's broadcasts, you should have a listen for yourself.  Covert communications would go a long way toward explaining how these religious broadcasters manage to stay on the air 24/7 with enormous signals.  No tinfoil hat needed, just a simple burst of arithmetic will tell you that the operating costs of these stations is out of proportion with their popularity, and the anonymous funding that religious non-profits are allowed to collect would be a perfect match with the secretive nature of the many spying apparatus that exist here in the USA.

Anyway that tinfoil hat stuff is now obsolete thanks to revelations about the out-of-control nature of our government by the likes of Manning and Snowden.  Thanks for playing.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: K1DA on October 06, 2013, 07:04:32 AM
Plenty of military and commercial air traffic on HF to pass the time, as well as river boats, ocean going vessels, oil rigs,  and pleasure boaters.    General coverage SSB isn't dead yet. 


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: WW7KE on December 31, 2013, 09:06:08 AM
Apparently, Putin (or whoever he put in charge of such things) has had a change of heart, and the Voice of Russia will remain on the air, but on a reduced schedule - mostly to the Middle East and Asia.

Link:  ARRL (http://www.arrl.org/news/view/voice-of-russia-to-continue-shortwave-broadcasting-in-2014)
Link:  Voice of Russia Schedule (http://voiceofrussia.com/radio_broadcast/frequencies/)


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: K5TED on December 31, 2013, 09:20:17 AM
There is probably no need whatsoever for general coverage receivers anymore.  Outside of us hams, use of the HF spectrum is dying fast.

Yup.

Nobody I know listens to shortwave, especially for any kind of news from other countries. Hah. If I asked anyone I know if they listen to shortwave international broadcasting I'd be met with the strangest look you've ever seen.  ???

Most of the strongest signals I've run across lately are religious broadcasters in the U.S. I guess trying to convert the rest of the world to their particular brand of woo. Good luck with that.

It's either TV or the internets.

Rumor has it that the "religious" stns in the US are in fact fronts for the CIA. Some have reportedly heard narrow digital subcarriers on them.


Digital subcarriers? What's the formula for calculating the proper aperture in the tinfoil hat earflaps to allow these transmissions to be heard?

I have in fact heard some pretty interesting and mysterious sidetones that appear to be digital modulation on Pastor Melissa Scott's broadcasts, you should have a listen for yourself.  Covert communications would go a long way toward explaining how these religious broadcasters manage to stay on the air 24/7 with enormous signals.  No tinfoil hat needed, just a simple burst of arithmetic will tell you that the operating costs of these stations is out of proportion with their popularity, and the anonymous funding that religious non-profits are allowed to collect would be a perfect match with the secretive nature of the many spying apparatus that exist here in the USA.

Anyway that tinfoil hat stuff is now obsolete thanks to revelations about the out-of-control nature of our government by the likes of Manning and Snowden.  Thanks for playing.

Seems tinfoil hats are alive and well in that post..


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: W1JKA on December 31, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
Those in the know have switched from tin foil hats to the small open wire mesh kitchen cooking strainers, test have shown they have a Faraday shield effect which just about eliminates any thought process at all being detected from above.


Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: K5TED on December 31, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
And to the point that religious programming couldn't support shortwave broadcasting...

Shortwave outlets can be sparsely staffed compared to a typical commercial broadcast station. There is no need for an advertising sales force, nor air personalities or many board operators, since the programming mostly comes in via satellite, IP, ISDN, or pre-recorded media. Most religious content providers are on annual or longer contracts with the broadcast outlet, so the checks just come in the mail. No need for a collections department, and the clients don't have to be "re-sold" much, since the broadcast is their bread and butter to the tune of $1M/month in donations according to some reports regarding Dr. Gene Scott Ministries(now Pastor Mellissa Scott), tax-free. They tend to pay up with a smile.

So, you are left with a "studio"(could be nothing more than a room with a digital automation system and some CD players), transmitter facility, antenna system, and routine RF field strength readings, etcetera, which are generally maintained by contract engineering firms and a few on-site employees who might be a combination of board operator/engineer/maintenance man to run the transmitters, make sure patterns are switched, and keep the digital automation system loaded and playing the prescribed content. They aren't the most highly paid people in the world. In fact, with the relaxed FCC regulations regarding broadcasting, it's entirely possible to operate 24/7 with little physical interaction with the facility, as long as there is an adequate and operational remote monitoring and control system.

Then there are the ministries who actually are OO's, which is a different ballgame with some similar technical and delivery characteristics.

Electricity.. That is a big chunk. Calculating that for this exercise would be pointless considering the many different transmitter types, efficiencies and other variables.

My description of a shoestring broadcaster is certainly not all-encompassing, but if you were to do some investigating, would likely ring common to a great extent.

Is there possibly some subterfuge and clandestine information streaming in the background of these religious programs? Anything is possible. I'd have to see some actual evidence in the form of a spectrum analyzer capture, or a decoded message. Otherwise, it's just the typical gleeps and glorps common to HF radio.

Look at WWCR http://www.wwcr.com/gallery.html  It's a smaller operation than a typical small market commercial broadcast station, but it's worldwide. Seven "board operators" and Chief and a "Frequency Manager". Let's see.. For a fully staffed 24/7 operation, that means they are staffed about right for what's required to give a 40 hour work week working 6/1 with a spare guy. And they actually run several stations. I'd suspect that none of them make over $35k/yr.

It is a mistake to underestimate the amount of donations made to these shortwave ministries based solely upon what one might consider to be "reasonable" for a commercial station. It's apples and oranges.

Just a simple burst of actual knowledge concerning broadcast radio will tell you that the operating costs of these stations is well within viable business practice, and has nothing to do with with popularity amongst the guy down the street and your mother-in-law. They are not the target audience, nor the target benefactor.

Thanks for playing... badly..









Title: RE: Voice of Russia stops SW broadcasts
Post by: KE7TMA on December 31, 2013, 09:07:28 PM
And to the point that religious programming couldn't support shortwave broadcasting...

Shortwave outlets can be sparsely staffed compared to a typical commercial broadcast station. There is no need for an advertising sales force, nor air personalities or many board operators, since the programming mostly comes in via satellite, IP, ISDN, or pre-recorded media. Most religious content providers are on annual or longer contracts with the broadcast outlet, so the checks just come in the mail. No need for a collections department, and the clients don't have to be "re-sold" much, since the broadcast is their bread and butter to the tune of $1M/month in donations according to some reports regarding Dr. Gene Scott Ministries(now Pastor Mellissa Scott), tax-free. They tend to pay up with a smile.

So, you are left with a "studio"(could be nothing more than a room with a digital automation system and some CD players), transmitter facility, antenna system, and routine RF field strength readings, etcetera, which are generally maintained by contract engineering firms and a few on-site employees who might be a combination of board operator/engineer/maintenance man to run the transmitters, make sure patterns are switched, and keep the digital automation system loaded and playing the prescribed content. They aren't the most highly paid people in the world. In fact, with the relaxed FCC regulations regarding broadcasting, it's entirely possible to operate 24/7 with little physical interaction with the facility, as long as there is an adequate and operational remote monitoring and control system.

Then there are the ministries who actually are OO's, which is a different ballgame with some similar technical and delivery characteristics.

Electricity.. That is a big chunk. Calculating that for this exercise would be pointless considering the many different transmitter types, efficiencies and other variables.

My description of a shoestring broadcaster is certainly not all-encompassing, but if you were to do some investigating, would likely ring common to a great extent.

Is there possibly some subterfuge and clandestine information streaming in the background of these religious programs? Anything is possible. I'd have to see some actual evidence in the form of a spectrum analyzer capture, or a decoded message. Otherwise, it's just the typical gleeps and glorps common to HF radio.

Look at WWCR http://www.wwcr.com/gallery.html  It's a smaller operation than a typical small market commercial broadcast station, but it's worldwide. Seven "board operators" and Chief and a "Frequency Manager". Let's see.. For a fully staffed 24/7 operation, that means they are staffed about right for what's required to give a 40 hour work week working 6/1 with a spare guy. And they actually run several stations. I'd suspect that none of them make over $35k/yr.

It is a mistake to underestimate the amount of donations made to these shortwave ministries based solely upon what one might consider to be "reasonable" for a commercial station. It's apples and oranges.

Just a simple burst of actual knowledge concerning broadcast radio will tell you that the operating costs of these stations is well within viable business practice, and has nothing to do with with popularity amongst the guy down the street and your mother-in-law. They are not the target audience, nor the target benefactor.

Thanks for playing... badly..









Rather than speculating you could have a listen for yourself.  Of course this could clash with your need for earmuffs and a blindfold regarding the intelligence activities that are going on in the USA at this time, especially if you actually hear something you didn't want to expect.

Rather than assuming that this happens and then making up stories and tortured speculative budget extrapolations to support my viewpoint, I heard funny things repeatedly and then made a reasonable hypothesis.  Pastor Scott is on 24/7 with an enormous signal, so you could even try tonight.