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Title: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 27, 2013, 07:01:24 PM
This morning I was turned away at the entrance to the Disneyland Resort and told I could not bring my dual-band HT into the parks. I had to trek all the way back to my car and leave it there. I was initially told it was because I could listen in on their park radios, but when my wife and I went to Guest Services to complain, we were shown a page right off their website saying the radio fell into the following, and this is a direct quote off their website: "Items that may be disruptive (e.g. laser pointers, slingshots, stink bombs, air horns)" When I asked them how it could be disruptive, I was told that it could be used to interfere with their in-park communications. I tried to explain that the radio wouldn't even transmit on their frequencies, they still said my radio was prohibited.

Now, I realize Disneyland and California Adventure are private property and it's their prerogative to prohibit whatever items they wish, but they're prohibiting ham radios for all the wrong reasons. Even if they were using analog business radios in the Land Mobile Service, there is no way my little Yaesu FT-60 could interfere with them. However, my research shows, according to Radio Reference, they use a Nextel PTT cell phone system with a 900mHz trunking system as a back-up. Their communications are way separated from the amateur bands.

To add to the annoyance, they are perfectly OK with FRS radios. AND... There is an active two meter repeater at 146.940 located WITHIN the confines of the Disneyland park. Kinda hypocritical, in my opinion...

Thanks to my Disney addicted wife, I was on the verge of Disney burnout and we had already agreed that we weren't renewing my annual pass next year, but this is the final straw. It will be a long, long time before I go back there.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: W1JKA on September 28, 2013, 06:10:53 AM
Why would you care about bringing an FT-60 to Disneyland anyway? Or did you have plans for a SOTA activation from Magic Mountain? ;)


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AC4RD on September 28, 2013, 06:21:45 AM
Back when I was a kid (the late Triassic Period), you couldn't get into Disneyland if you had long hair.  "No hippies."




Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 28, 2013, 06:26:55 AM
When I asked them how it could be disruptive, I was told that it could be used to interfere with their in-park communications. I tried to explain that the radio wouldn't even transmit on their frequencies,


Maybe they're using illegal amateur HTs so that's why you might me able to interfere with them ...  :o


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 28, 2013, 07:48:32 AM
Just a couple random thoughts ...

1. How did they see the HT? Were they patting folks down pre-entrance? Last time I went,
my VX-6R was in my pocket until I was inside the park ... and when inside, I used an
earpiece so as not to disturb anyone ...

2. It IS a "private party," and you are subject to their rules and regs - no matter
how bizarre they might be. So all your "arguments" are moot.

You sure have vented on a lot of messageboards ... Wish you had spent that energy
enjoying the park, after performing just a little bit of research beforehand, where
you would have discovered that taking a ham radio onto the premises has been
problematic for many before you.

There are no "constitutional rights" nor "freedom of speech" valid arguments
involved. You somehow drew attention to yourself, and were introduced to their
rules first-hand.

Clint Bradford K6LCS



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: WN2C on September 28, 2013, 08:48:07 AM
I think you should complain to corporate and explain to them that you won't be renewing you annual pass due to this and then explain that there is already a ham repeater in the park.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 28, 2013, 09:04:52 AM
Yes, I know it's their park and they make the rules, and I probably wouldn't have made such an issue about it, but their reasoning is full of holes.  Plus, they've lumped the radios into the category of "disruptive devices"  which makes it impossible to find any information about the prohibition before hand.

As to how they found the radio, it was on my belt in plain sight when I went through the bag check.  I never though anything as innocuous as an HT would be prohibited.  I've never had any issues with it anywhere else I've taken it.

 


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K8AXW on September 28, 2013, 09:33:04 AM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that many ham HT's have been "opened up," meaning they can be used on frequencies outside the ham band(s).  It is quite possible that they have had a problem in the past.

"Opening" an FRS radio and most other HT's is a big more problematic.

As for complaining to corporate headquarters, good luck with that!  Corporate headquarters is the one who made the rules. 

One final thing.  EVERY corporate headquarters has an extremely qualified secretary who specializes in complaints such as these.  She has a 50gal. cross-cut shredder beside her desk driven by a 25HP 440V motor!


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: W4KYR on September 28, 2013, 09:41:51 AM
Why do they even have a ham radio repeater in the park if hams can't use it, or can they ? So Disneyland gets to have it's name on a repeater list?  Is the Disneyland Resort different than Disneyland Park? Or is it one and the same? 


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 28, 2013, 10:11:10 AM
>> ... but their reasoning is full of holes ...

So go somewhere else. It is THEIR rules. You either comply, or go to Magic Mountain.

>> ... but there's a repeater on site ...

Most ridiculous thread in months ... Whining about being "caught" with his ham HT,
and he needs someone to blame. Might be a case of "social engineering" - since I and
many others can walk into the park and use ham HTs, but the original poster couldn't
even get in the front gates.

Clint K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N3HFS on September 28, 2013, 10:55:25 AM
Thanks to my Disney addicted wife, I was on the verge of Disney burnout and we had already agreed that we weren't renewing my annual pass next year, but this is the final straw. It will be a long, long time before I go back there.
I'm glad you have a good excuse now.  ::)

Seriously, though, after spending God-knows-what per hour on being in "the Magic Kingdom," my few remaining wishes would NOT include a QSO.  If disaster struck while I'm there, a good lawsuit should take care of it.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: KD0REQ on September 28, 2013, 11:14:11 AM
Herr 6-CPO, zis iss an alternative world, und ve musst keep Orrder mit ze Rulessss.

'tis said Uncle Walt always ruled and protected his virtual property with an iron hand.

just how it is.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AC4RD on September 28, 2013, 12:49:59 PM
'tis said Uncle Walt always ruled and protected his virtual property with an iron hand

Oh, he's still keeping an eye on all the day-to-day operational issues.  They've got his head, alive, in a glass jar, underneath the "it's a small world" ride, and he watches the security monitors most of the day.  And after the park closes, he uses a remote video link to preside over the Knights Templar's grand council meetings in Geneva. 

   --ken (can you tell I'm still bitter about that "no long hair" business?)


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: G3RZP on September 28, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
I wouldn't go to Disneyland anyway. This is just another reason why they can go screw themselves. But they don't care about me, and I don't care about them. So we're even. If they went belly up financially, I still wouldn't give a damn.....


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 28, 2013, 03:04:36 PM
Most ridiculous thread in months ... Whining about being "caught" with his ham HT,
and he needs someone to blame.

Ridiculous.

It's a very good thing that he challenge the rule. Just because the rule exists doesn't mean it's logical or rational. So what if they can make the rules? If it's a dumb rule it's best to challenge it. If it's based on misunderstanding or bias then he should be commended for challenging the rule.

Good for him!


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 28, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
Boy, some of you are just totally incapable of holding a rational discussion on any topic.  I'm getting the same sarcastic remarks from the hams over on another well known site.  If you guys can't display some solidarity with someone trying to stand up for the hobby, then you deserve to get turned away when you try to go somewhere with your radios.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: PBPP on September 28, 2013, 03:44:26 PM
Boy, some of you are just totally incapable of holding a rational discussion on any topic.  I'm getting the same sarcastic remarks from the hams over on another well known site.  If you guys can't display some solidarity with someone trying to stand up for the hobby, then you deserve to get turned away when you try to go somewhere with your radios.
Showing solidarity is only justified when it is truly deserved. 
As such, I see no reason to stand with your position here. 
The park is private property and you've got to play by their rules.

Is that rational enough for you??  ::)

~ Mitch ~




Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 28, 2013, 03:54:14 PM
The park is private property and you've got to play by their rules

He did play by the rules. He's just challenging them, and he really got no rational answer, you know, an answer backed up with objective facts? If they simply made up the rule with no objective reason, it needs to be challenged. Rules are made up all the time with no basis in fact.

Man, I just don't know about some of you. Do most of you really cower down in the face of illogical rules and simply accept what is doled out? I sure don't.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 28, 2013, 04:08:54 PM
For those of you that don't agree with my position, what if you lived in a community with CC&Rs and had to deal with an HOA, especially one that had regulations like "no antennas because they destroy property values" or "no antennas because they case interference and health problems?"  Would you just roll over or would you challenge those rules and try to get them changed?


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: PBPP on September 28, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
Disney doesn't have to give any rational answer or reason why they refuse to allow ham radios on their premises. 
It is after all private property.

No, I don't cower when faced with illogical rules.  In fact I welcome the challenge.

However I don't have any sense of entitlement believing I can take my HT anywhere I choose. 
This includes private property.

K6CPO - Your example of challenging a HOA is irrelevant here.  As a homeowner in a
community, you have a vested interest in your home and its value since it is a major
investment.  Comparing it to your perceived 'right' to carry a HT to anywhere of your
choosing is simply illogical.  Your taking this refusal by Disney into ridiculous silliness.

Whine and groan all you want.... it won't change things unless you take them to court.
Hope you have deep pockets my friend.  *smile*

I've wasted entirely too much time on this so I'll quit.  I suggest you do the same.

~ Mitch ~


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K8AXW on September 28, 2013, 05:39:01 PM
K6CPO:  The HOA analogy doesn't cut any ice with me either.  I get somewhat anal whenever someone complains about their HOA.

The bottom line is, when you move into a HOA controlled development, you know that going in and sign off on it.  Then to complain?  BS!

Same with WDW.  They have a book of rules which no doubt is quite extensive.  If they had to add a reason under each rule why that rule exists, the rule book would no doubt be humongous!


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AA4PB on September 28, 2013, 07:27:20 PM
My guess is that some of their concern is with the animation electronics, sound systems, wireless mikes, etc. The repeater on site is probably located high up somewhere away from these systems. It is well controlled in that they have tested it for interference issues, they know who maintains it and how to get in touch with them if there is an issue. That's different than having maybe a dozen people who they can't identify walking around their electronic systems with 5W HTs on various frequencies.

I'd say that the fact they permit a ham repeater on site indicates that they are not "anti ham".


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 28, 2013, 07:35:52 PM
My guess is that some of their concern is with the animation electronics, sound systems, wireless mikes, etc. The repeater on site is probably located high up somewhere away from these systems. It is well controlled in that they have tested it for interference issues, they know who maintains it and how to get in touch with them if there is an issue. That's different than having maybe a dozen people who they can't identify walking around their electronic systems with 5W HTs on various frequencies.

I'd say that the fact they permit a ham repeater on site indicates that they are not "anti ham".


If so, why are FRS (Family Radio Service)/GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) radios allowed.  Those would be just as liable (or maybe more so given their cost) to interfere than would  good quality ham HT.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 28, 2013, 07:54:41 PM
>> ... He did play by the rules. He's just challenging them, and he really got no rational answer, you know, an answer backed up with objective facts?

It is THEIR house. They are a PRIVATE ENTITY. You abide by THEIR RULES, period. They do not need to explain a single thing to us.

>> ... There's an amateur repeater on site on 149.940  ...

Really? REALLY? Isn't it actually at the Disneyland Hotel? Moot point, it makes no difference where it may be.

>> ... for those of you that don't agree with my position, what if you lived in a community with CC&Rs and had to deal with an HOA, especially one that had regulations like "no antennas because they destroy property values" or "no antennas because they case interference and health problems?"  Would you just roll over or would you challenge those rules and try to get them changed?

1. I would never move into a situation that restricted what I wanted to do with the hobby.

2. I donate to the ARRL legal funds - who are constantly working with municipalities regarding antenna restrictions.

3. I have testified before a local city council in disagreement with a pending restrictive antenna regulation proposal.

Abiding by a private party's rules regarding amateur radio ops is not "rolling over." This is a case where five minutes of online
research wold show that Disney does not want ham HTs on the premises. Another ten minutes on hold with Guest Services to
ask a real person would have been informative, too.

I just hate whiners ...

Clint K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AK7V on September 28, 2013, 08:08:37 PM
I bet with the influx of all the cheap Chinese radios that are open to TX on non-ham frequencies, illegal interference is more common than ever and we're going to be lumped in with the trouble makers, like it or not.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 28, 2013, 09:03:39 PM
>> ... There's an amateur repeater on site on 149.940  ...

Really? REALLY? Isn't it actually at the Disneyland Hotel? Moot point, it makes no difference where it may be.


I've sent an e-mail to the repeater trustee but haven't received a reply yet.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: WB2EOD on September 28, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
Been to WDW years ago when the kids were younger. Given the entertainment value and what it cost take the trip, ham radio was at the absolute bottom of the list of things to do.  I brought the HT along but left it in the hotel during the day.  In the evenings, from my hotel room I had some real interesting QSO's with some hams who were Disney employees.  I was later able to meet them and saw things not generally open to the public.

73
WB2EOD


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 28, 2013, 09:48:37 PM
>> ... I've sent an e-mail to the repeater trustee but haven't received a reply yet.

Why in the world bug the repeater owner?

Just apologize to all the groups you've posted this, and move on with life.

Clint Bradford K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 28, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
>> ... I bet with the influx of all the cheap Chinese radios that are open to TX on non-ham frequencies, illegal interference is more common than ever and we're going to be lumped in with the trouble makers, like it or not.

I live in the most populous region of the nation's most populous state, and have been dreading what COULD
occur out here. Fortunately, such "abuse" is not widespread.

Clint K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 29, 2013, 04:43:06 AM
First of all Mr. Clint, why don't you learn how to do a proper forum quote? The way you are quoting makes it hard for members to tell who the quote is from.

This quote is from me, just so everybody knows -

>> ... He did play by the rules. He's just challenging them, and he really got no rational answer, you know, an answer backed up with objective facts?

That is the wrong way to quote in a forum ^^^

This is the correct way -

It is THEIR house. They are a PRIVATE ENTITY. You abide by THEIR RULES, period. They do not need to explain a single thing to us.

and ... what does that have to do with the point. What if they had rules that women couldn't bring in lipstick. What if they didn't allow people with gold teeth because they said they would reflect the park radio waves and cause interference? Sound stupid? If they had such rules they should be challenged.

I could care less if it's a private entity. If they make rules that are stupid then they should be challenged. If they don't care about objective facts then so be it, but they should be challenged if a rule is stupid and has no basis in reality. What do you not comprehend about that?


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: VE3FMC on September 29, 2013, 05:02:18 AM
Boy, some of you are just totally incapable of holding a rational discussion on any topic.  I'm getting the same sarcastic remarks from the hams over on another well known site.  If you guys can't display some solidarity with someone trying to stand up for the hobby, then you deserve to get turned away when you try to go somewhere with your radios.

No one is being sarcastic. Disney has rules, like every other place of business has rules.

You see the signs "NO SHOES, NO SHIRT, NO SERVICE" If you are lacking one of the 3 you are not eating there. Why would Disney be any different?

One issue I could never understand about some amateurs. Why do you need to live and breath ham radio? If you are at Disney World you must be there because you have taken your family. Could you not put the HT down for 4-5 hours and leave ham radio at home while spending time with your family?



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: NJ1K on September 29, 2013, 05:07:42 AM
It's interesting how some here feel the need to tell others how to live their lives.  If the OP feels that Disney's rules need to be challenged, so be it.  Go live your own life according to your own rules and leave the OP alone. 

If you can't write a constructive on topic post, go away dimwit....


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 29, 2013, 05:10:09 AM
No one is being sarcastic. Disney has rules, like every other place of business has rules.

You see the signs "NO SHOES, NO SHIRT, NO SERVICE" If you are lacking one of the 3 you are not eating there. Why would Disney be any different?

Yea, and I remember once PRIVATE businesses could deny service to people of color. So, should those rules have been challenged? If it was up to you, you would have told people of color to stop complaining about what rules private businesses had and shut up. I'm glad many people don't listen to such advice.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 29, 2013, 07:27:37 AM
Wow ... I didn't realize that the issue of whether or not one could flaunt amateur radio gear
at Disneyland was as important as segregation in this country ... someone's LIVING in Fantasyland ...

It is obvious WHY Disneyland has rules against amateur equipment - someone else posted it here
earlier: Disneyland would prefer that no one mess with their inside-park communications. And that
is entirely their right.

Some just need to pick battles just for the sake of picking battles. This one doesn't deserve all the
time we've wasted in this forum.

Clint K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: VE3FMC on September 29, 2013, 07:33:52 AM
No one is being sarcastic. Disney has rules, like every other place of business has rules.

You see the signs "NO SHOES, NO SHIRT, NO SERVICE" If you are lacking one of the 3 you are not eating there. Why would Disney be any different?

Yea, and I remember once PRIVATE businesses could deny service to people of color. So, should those rules have been challenged? If it was up to you, you would have told people of color to stop complaining about what rules private businesses had and shut up. I'm glad many people don't listen to such advice.

You are talking about a racial issue. I am not, totally different topics. Don't try to put words into others statements.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 29, 2013, 09:16:18 AM
You are talking about a racial issue. I am not, totally different topics. Don't try to put words into others statements.

The --> principle <-- is EXACTLY the same. Don't put up with stupid rules just because it's a private business.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 29, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
>> ... Don't put up with stupid rules just because it's a private business.

Right. And how do we do that for mega-corporations? We refuse to purchase from them. Boycott 'em.

Or, in this case, just tuck your tail 'tween your legs, sheepishly walk back to the car to deposit your
HT, and go back in line to enter the park.

But to cry bloody murder on several messageboards, believing you've been "wronged?" Just not my
style.

If the original poster was truly concerned about the issue, he would have walked away and not entered
the park - then wage his campaign. Instead, he was forced to enjoy a wonderful day a the Magic Kingdom
with his wife.

What a thread ...



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N0YXB on September 29, 2013, 10:52:10 AM
The --> principle <-- is EXACTLY the same. Don't put up with stupid rules just because it's a private business.

How do we know the rule is stupid?  They may have good reasons for the rule, and just because someone does not like it does not make it stupid.  Or it could be a stupid rule, but as a private entity it's their right to make rules for their property.  I'm not sticking up for Disney Corporation, who brought us Miley Cyrus. :-[  But I do find many of the responses on this thread "interesting"  I'm surprised someone cannot go without a radio for a few hours at a theme park.  What a thread indeed...



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: G3RZP on September 29, 2013, 11:00:23 AM
Don't like it - don't go. Same with cruise ships, although personally, I can think of little that I would go out of my way to avoid more than either Disney world or a cruise ship.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 29, 2013, 11:58:34 AM
How do we know the rule is stupid? 

We ask.

Boy, I see I have much work to do here ...


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: VE3FMC on September 29, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
How do we know the rule is stupid? 

We ask.

Boy, I see I have much work to do here ...

Work to do on yourself. Companies, businesses, bars, etc all have rules in place. If you do not like those rules do not go to work for the company, do not support the business etc.

Speed limits are in place. So you think it is ok to go 100 MPH in a 50 MPH zone because you think it is a stupid rule?

Amateur radio has rules. So you think it is ok for you to go to 30 meters and run 2000 watts because you think it is a stupid rule that you can't run 2000 watts on that band?

I worked for a national multi billion dollar corporation that had work place rules in place. Either we followed the guidelines for our work place or we were disciplined.

So tell me what is the difference between Disney World visitor guidelines and work place guidelines?


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: KG6AF on September 29, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
I'm guessing that the last thing the repeater users want is hams challenging Disney over the alleged hypocrisy of disallowing HTs while allowing a repeater, because one of the ways Disney could resolve said alleged hypocrisy is to disallow the repeater.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 29, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
>> ... Don't put up with stupid rules just because it's a private business.

Right. And how do we do that for mega-corporations? We refuse to purchase from them. Boycott 'em.

Or, in this case, just tuck your tail 'tween your legs, sheepishly walk back to the car to deposit your
HT, and go back in line to enter the park.

But to cry bloody murder on several messageboards, believing you've been "wronged?" Just not my
style.

If the original poster was truly concerned about the issue, he would have walked away and not entered
the park - then wage his campaign. Instead, he was forced to enjoy a wonderful day a the Magic Kingdom
with his wife.

What a thread ...



No, it was not a wonderful day.  We spent less than an hour in the park, didn't ride any attractions and then went and had an overpriced lunch of average food at a Mexican restaurant in Downtown Disney before driving the 90 miles back home.

I'm guessing that the last thing the repeater users want is hams challenging Disney over the alleged hypocrisy of disallowing HTs while allowing a repeater, because one of the ways Disney could resolve said alleged hypocrisy is to disallow the repeater.

An update on a comment I made in my original post:  I contacted the trustee of the repeater I believed to be within the Disneyland park and he says it isn't in the park.  Apparently the location information has not been updated yet.  Other hams I have talked to have indicated there was one in the park at one time, but no longer.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 29, 2013, 01:47:10 PM
Work to do on yourself. Companies, businesses, bars, etc all have rules in place. If you do not like those rules do not go to work for the company, do not support the business etc.

Ridiculous.

I can ask any business I want to why a rule is in place. Sure, they can blow me off and not answer, but it's a free country and I can ask about anything I wish to. What do you not understand about this? Much it seems ...

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Speed limits are in place. So you think it is ok to go 100 MPH in a 50 MPH zone because you think it is a stupid rule?

No, but I can ask why the rule is in place. The more you try to answer the more you demonstrate you simply do not understand the point.

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Amateur radio has rules. So you think it is ok for you to go to 30 meters and run 2000 watts because you think it is a stupid rule that you can't run 2000 watts on that band?

No, but I can ask the FCC why the rule is in place ... oh why am I bothering ...

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I worked for a national multi billion dollar corporation that had work place rules in place. Either we followed the guidelines for our work place or we were disciplined.

You can always ask about rules. This is still eludiing you.

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So tell me what is the difference between Disney World visitor guidelines and work place guidelines?

Nothing, but you can try to ask why the specific rules are in place.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AF6WL on September 29, 2013, 03:06:37 PM
At first, I was thinking the OP was justified in being upset over rules applied in ignorance - possible interference etc. ( which episode of the Simpsons was it were all the mechatronics in the park went on the rampage  ;) )

However, on security grounds I can see it making sense:
It is such a symbolic location and families expect to be safe there.

If any disruptive group were to organise anything untowards, unmonitored comms would be valuable to them.
FRS provides a finite number of in the clear channels than can be monitored, and cellphones could be logged and location triangulated or quickly shut down.
So FRS and cellphones ok - more professional looking radios not ok - accept it and try to have a better day next time.
 


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 29, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
I've taken the radio into the park before with no issues and I'm beginning to think they've tightened up on security.  Ever since the San Diego blackout in 2011, I've carried a small LED flashlight in a pouch on my belt.  This was the first time I've ever been asked about it.

I wonder what happened that made them so paranoid?


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: KD0REQ on September 29, 2013, 06:44:42 PM
there is a lot of paranoid going around.  all places, all venues  little of which concerns me.

wife and I are flying to Chicago in a short while for a grandson's wedding, and I don't expect the resident house-sitter to have any issues.

you want paranoid, try taking a flashlight and multibander past TSA.  and a water bottle.  it takes me three Ziplocs to empty all my pockets, same as going to the courthouse for jury duty.  we even got TWO "TSA has inspected your luggage" slips in our bag when going on our honeymoon to Hawaii.  and that's before the real paranoia set in.

it is what it is.  sign of the times.  oh, and I expect real jolly good times at the gate if the government shuts down; arrive 4 hours before your flight, and all that.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 29, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
>> ... try taking a flashlight and multibander past TSA ...

Better yet - if you want a cavity search guaranteed, try to get a rolled-up tape measure beam in carry-on ...

Clint K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AC4RD on September 30, 2013, 04:12:25 AM
I've taken the radio into the park before with no issues and I'm beginning to think they've tightened up on security....I wonder what happened that made them so paranoid?

I think you're right; I recall a small piece in "World Radio" or something like that, maybe 15-20 years ago, about the then-new ham repeater at Disney (land/world) and how hams were welcome.  I suppose it's no surprise that their policy has changed. 


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K1DA on September 30, 2013, 06:54:50 AM
Apparently the fence around the park keeps RF from entering and leaving.   You can chatter away in the parking lot but not on the other side of the fence.  This is what happens when ignorant bureaucrats get carried away with banning things.  I'd mail the pass renewal application, torn up, back to the highest ranking slug in the  management chain with the comment that there is a ham radio facility IN the park but  can't use it because of someone's stupid rule.   How wmany current license holders are there worldwide, I'll bet the management would be happy to hear how many potential happy Disney campers they may NOT get as customers. 


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K8AXW on September 30, 2013, 08:58:18 AM
Some have questioned why the OP wants to take an HT into Disney Land. 

If you've ever taken your family to such a place and for any number of reasons, can't stand, ride or hike miles, then a diversion like yakking on the radio would be a great time waster. Working he locals can be like a mini-DXpedition for you. 

As for not being able to take the HT in the park, well that's the rule.  You can question rules but the only people you'll get to question are summer time hires who really don't know anything and probably can't even spell HT, let alone know what one is.

As the country song goes, "You got to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em."  Anything else becomes an embarrassment for your family and for you, makes a bad day worse.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 30, 2013, 09:11:36 AM
Apparently the fence around the park keeps RF from entering and leaving.   You can chatter away in the parking lot but not on the other side of the fence.  This is what happens when ignorant bureaucrats get carried away with banning things

Right. I'd organize a Dinsneyland Parking Lot QSO party right outside the fence and get as many hams as possible to initiate contacts in the parking lot. Make sure the management knows. Then when the party is over ask them how many rides went berserk during the party. If any did (of course it won't happen because hams are surely transmitting all around the park anyway all the time) - it would be the fault of the ride's electronics being suseptable to interference, not the legal operation of amateur radio gear.

Quote from:  link=topic=92443.msg703706#msg703706 date=1380556698
... the only people you'll get to question are summer time hires ...

Not true. You can contact the Disney corporation and send letters and make phone calls. It may make no difference but there sure are more ways to get to management.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N3HFS on September 30, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
Right. I'd organize a Dinsneyland Parking Lot QSO party right outside the fence and get as many hams as possible to initiate contacts in the parking lot. Make sure the management knows. Then when the party is over ask them how many rides went berserk during the party. If any did (of course it won't happen because hams are surely transmitting all around the park anyway all the time) - it would be the fault of the ride's electronics being suseptable to interference, not the legal operation of amateur radio gear.

Be cautious with this proposal.  It is quite possible that Disney does not allow such use of its parking lot without express permission, and this could cause a trespassing situation.  Many parking lots are designated for use of patrons for the sole purpose of parking their vehicles while patronizing the facilities.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 30, 2013, 09:34:30 AM
I just called Disneyland-Anaheim guest services. Delightful music on hold (Woody Guthrie ... songs from Cinderella ... )

I asked the agent (er, "cast member") for permission to bring my "amateur radio handheld radio" with me on Thursday, "to communicate with
others at the park, and use the Mickey Mouse repeater."

Guess what my answer was?

C'mon, GUESS?

Totally approved, no problem whatsoever.

Which takes me to one of my earlier posts: The original poster did something to draw attention to himself. We already know
he was in a bad mood when he left the house, and couldn't find anything positive to say about his brief stay at the Magic Kingdom.

SO ... What I originally THOUGHT - but didn't write - is probably 100 per cent accurate: Dude with a 'tude didn't get his way,
and wants to cry about it and try to gain sympathy from the masses. Probably made a scene, and was embarrassed in front of his
significant other.

AGAIN, I JUST OBTAINED DISNEYLAND'S OK FROM GUEST SERVICES TO BRING AND USE AN AMATEUR RADIO ONTO THE PREMISES.

And I'll wager that this thread will NOT die after hearing this first-hand account of what reality is ...

Clint Bradford K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N5INP on September 30, 2013, 09:39:00 AM
I just called Disneyland-Anaheim guest services. Delightful music on hold (Woody Guthrie ... songs from Cinderella ... )

I asked the agent (er, "cast member") for permission to bring my "amateur radio handheld radio" with me on Thursday, "to communicate with
others at the park, and use the Mickey Mouse repeater."

Guess what my answer was?

C'mon, GUESS?

Totally approved, no problem whatsoever.

I would commend you for being proactive and asking questions. Good job and a very satisfying response from Disney.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 30, 2013, 09:49:05 AM
I just called Disneyland-Anaheim guest services. Delightful music on hold (Woody Guthrie ... songs from Cinderella ... )

I asked the agent (er, "cast member") for permission to bring my "amateur radio handheld radio" with me on Thursday, "to communicate with
others at the park, and use the Mickey Mouse repeater."

Guess what my answer was?

C'mon, GUESS?

Totally approved, no problem whatsoever.

Which takes me to one of my earlier posts: The original poster did something to draw attention to himself. We already know
he was in a bad mood when he left the house, and couldn't find anything positive to say about his brief stay at the Magic Kingdom.

SO ... What I originally THOUGHT - but didn't write - is probably 100 per cent accurate: Dude with e 'tude didn't get his way,
and wants to cry about it and try to gain sympathy from the masses. Probably made a scene, and was embarrassed in front of his
significant other.

AGAIN, I JUST OBTAINED DISNEYLAND'S OK FROM GUEST SERVICES TO BRING AND USE AN AMATEUR RADIO ONTO THE PREMISES.

And I'll wager that this thread will NOT die after hearing this first-hand account of what reality is ...

Clint Bradford K6LCS


The only thing I did to draw attention to myself was walk through the bag check with the HT on my belt.  That's all.  I didn't cop an attitude until I was confronted by an officious lead cast member.  And the cast member at guest services reaffirmed the prohibition.  

I suggest you follow up on your phone call and actually try to take your radio into the park.  And don't hide it when you go through the bag check.  Wear it in plain sight just like I did and then we'll see what their policy really is.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 30, 2013, 10:06:25 AM
I have taken my HT with me into Disneyland in the past. And I'll have no problems being able to
communicate with cast members in the future. Their policy is as of this date to allow amateur radios
in the park. SOMETHING that YOU did caused them to react to YOU. YOU were not able to communicate
with them and just admitted yourself that you copped an attitude ...

Resulting from my call this morning, I have a supervisor's name and direct phone line to contact if I
have any ham-radio-related problems while visiting the park.

Will you be posting the truth about their policy in all the forums you have this the past few days, or
should I go ahead and do it for you? I mean, responsible hams do not want to be responsible for
disseminating bad information ...

Clint Bradford K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N3HFS on September 30, 2013, 10:22:13 AM
Clint,

Not only did he admit to copping an attitude in a posting just about 40 minutes ago, he said this in his original post:

Quote
Thanks to my Disney addicted wife, I was on the verge of Disney burnout and we had already agreed that we weren't renewing my annual pass next year

I mentioned this early on, but the symptoms from this poster seem to indicate an predisposition to unhappiness with The Magic Kingdom.  Such a pre-existing chronic condition has a very high likelihood of becoming acute at just the exact moment that the patient is encountering the most critical bottleneck in the experience - when personnel are in closest proximity to the afflicted.

Many subsequent postings from the afflicted poster deny any affliction at all, even after exposing all of us to the very apparent list of symptoms and maladies that point to the same disease.  I call it denial, I suspect many others will also see it that way.

To K6CPO:

I realize you are unwilling to see what other have seen, even when what is seen comes directly from you, but please forgive us for exposing your trite insecurities over perceived slights from a hornet's nest that you quite apparently were more than willing to slap around.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 30, 2013, 11:04:36 AM
I have taken my HT with me into Disneyland in the past. And I'll have no problems being able to
communicate with cast members in the future. Their policy is as of this date to allow amateur radios
in the park. SOMETHING that YOU did caused them to react to YOU. YOU were not able to communicate
with them and just admitted yourself that you copped an attitude ...

Resulting from my call this morning, I have a supervisor's name and direct phone line to contact if I
have any ham-radio-related problems while visiting the park.

Will you be posting the truth about their policy in all the forums you have this the past few days, or
should I go ahead and do it for you? I mean, responsible hams do not want to be responsible for
disseminating bad information ...

Clint Bradford K6LCS


I copped an attitude AFTER I got attitude from a cast member...

I have emailed Disneyland guest services detailing my experience and mentioned your phone call to them as well.  We'll see what their reply is...

I also have an e-mail out to the President of D.E.A.R.S., the Disney Emergency Amateur Radio Service at Walt Disney World in Florida.  (We're headed there in November.)  My wife has e-mailed Walt Disney World guest services about their policy.  The WDW website is even less clear about what's prohibited than Disneyland's.

Part of my intention in posting this in as many places as I did was to give a warning to other hams that they might not be able to take their radios into the park.  All I got in return was a bunch of crap, especially from other hams.  Next time I encounter an illogical policy regarding amateur radio, I'll just keep my mouth shut and let the rest of you find out for yourselves.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 30, 2013, 11:11:04 AM
>> ... I copped an attitude AFTER I got attitude from a cast member...

Then this IS a "lack of maturity" problem.

"What we've got here is [a] failure to communicate."

Need a list of the other messageboards you posted your misleading post
this past week?

Clint Bradford


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N3HFS on September 30, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
I think he deperately desires to be permanently banned from all Disney properties because his wife won't otherwise let him stay home while she feeds her "Disney addiction."


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 30, 2013, 12:48:16 PM
I think he deperately desires to be permanently banned from all Disney properties because his wife won't otherwise let him stay home while she feeds her "Disney addiction."

I can do that just fine on my own, thank you.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K7RNO on September 30, 2013, 03:19:30 PM
Listed in no ranking other than in the order they appeared in this thread:

It IS a "private party," and you are subject to their rules and regs - no matter
how bizarre they might be. So all your "arguments" are moot.

ve musst keep Orrder mit ze Rulessss.

you've got to play by their rules.

Disney has rules

Disneyland has rules against amateur equipment

So, I ask all of you above: what are those rules you refer to, and where are they posted?

I spent about five long minutes trying to find "the rules" on their website but failed, so I have to revert to the OP's statement quoting off their website: "Items that may be disruptive (e.g. laser pointers, slingshots, stink bombs, air horns) [are prohibited]"


I asked the agent (er, "cast member") for permission to bring my "amateur radio handheld radio" with me on Thursday, "to communicate with
others at the park, and use the Mickey Mouse repeater."

Guess what my answer was?

C'mon, GUESS?

Totally approved, no problem whatsoever.

Maybe this is because there are no rules that explicitly prohibit it?

If you had asked whether you could wear your boots into the park, you quite likely would have gotten the same answer. Yet if I wanted to, I could construe scenarios where someone could disrupt the operations or even the safety of the park with their boots.

To me it looks like there were some security zealots who took the liberty to interpret a pretty clear rule through their own paranoia filter or were simply abusing their authority. That, I agree, should be challenged in a civilized manner.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 30, 2013, 03:28:20 PM
To me it looks like there were some security zealots who took the liberty to interpret a pretty clear rule through their own paranoia filter or were simply abusing their authority. That, I agree, should be challenged in a civilized manner.


When I got the same answer from different employees at an entirely different location in the park, it kinda ruled out the "security zealot" scenario.  That's why I feel it's an established policy. 

Why the other guy was told he could bring in his radio, I have no idea.  I'm waiting for two things:  His experience when he actually takes the radio to the park (and I suspect if he gets turned away, we won't hear about it here) and a reply to an e-mail I sent to Disney Guest Services this morning requesting outlining my experience and requesting clarification in light of the other person's phone call.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 30, 2013, 03:56:13 PM
Why is anyone asking the OP anything about what is the truth at Disneyland?

He has a problem with his relationship: His wife is "addicted" to Disneyland, he hates
it, he wants to terminate their passes ...

Yet another ham calls Guest Relations and talks to a supervisor - who offers him his
personal direct line telephone number - and says hams are welcome at the park.

The OP is not to be trusted for anything relating to reality.

Clint Bradford K6LCS


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on September 30, 2013, 06:08:09 PM
>> ... To me it looks like there were some security zealots who took the liberty to interpret a pretty clear rule through their own paranoia filter or were simply abusing their authority. That, I agree, should be challenged in a civilized manner.

Then you do not read very well ... at least not this thread.

Some guy in line has an attitude - admittedly. He argues with Cast Members. He elevates the whole scene to the point of them telling him to take his radio back to the car. Then he goes to the Internet - in several forums - declaring that Disney is anti-ham.

Disney is not anti-ham. Nationally, Disney has demonstrated their support of amateur radio.
and locally in Anaheim, a Guest Services supervisor advises there is no problem with hams bringing HTs onto the property.

It is all in one's personal behavior. Hey, I could have an attitude and get myself kicked out of the park, too - for behaving like an idiot. I just don't choose to be such a patron.

Clint Bradford K6LCS
909-241-7666 - cell



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 30, 2013, 06:14:02 PM
Why is anyone asking the OP anything about what is the truth at Disneyland?

He has a problem with his relationship: His wife is "addicted" to Disneyland, he hates
it, he wants to terminate their passes ...

Yet another ham calls Guest Relations and talks to a supervisor - who offers him his
personal direct line telephone number - and says hams are welcome at the park.

The OP is not to be trusted for anything relating to reality.

Clint Bradford K6LCS

Here you go again.  You don't even have your facts correct.  First, I NEVER, EVER said I wanted to terminate our passes.  I said I was letting my pass expire.  In return for letting her to to Disneyland whenever she wants (without me) I agreed not to pester her about getting a ham license, which she wants absolutely nothing to do with.

Second, what happened was I was asked to wait at the bag check until the lead came over. When he arrived I told him what kind of radio it and at that point was told I couldn't bring in the radio.  When I showed him my license was when I got "So?" out of him.  It was at that point I got angry and left.

You know, I'm done arguing with you.  I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K7RNO on September 30, 2013, 08:22:52 PM
>> ... To me it looks like there were some security zealots who took the liberty to interpret a pretty clear rule through their own paranoia filter or were simply abusing their authority. That, I agree, should be challenged in a civilized manner.

Then you do not read very well ... at least not this thread.

Some guy in line has an attitude - admittedly. He argues with Cast Members. He elevates the whole scene to the point of them telling him to take his radio back to the car. Then he goes to the Internet - in several forums - declaring that Disney is anti-ham.

Disney is not anti-ham. Nationally, Disney has demonstrated their support of amateur radio.
and locally in Anaheim, a Guest Services supervisor advises there is no problem with hams bringing HTs onto the property.

It is all in one's personal behavior. Hey, I could have an attitude and get myself kicked out of the park, too - for behaving like an idiot. I just don't choose to be such a patron.

Clint Bradford K6LCS
909-241-7666 - cell



Sorry, my fault. I only have my information from the OP's narrative in this thread and from the opinions of all the others. I was not aware you were there and witnessed it all. I bow to your omnipotence!



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K8AXW on September 30, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
I found these Prohibited Items in 10 seconds using Bing!!

Prohibited Items
 
The following are not allowed to be brought into the Disney Theme Parks:

Items with wheels, such as wagons, skateboards, scooters, inline skates, shoes with built-in wheels, two-wheeled or three-wheeled conveyances, strollers larger than 36" x 52", suitcases, coolers, or backpacks with or without wheels larger than 24" long x 15" wide x 18" high (coolers required for medication may be stored in a locker or at Guest Relations), and any trailer-like object that is pushed or towed by an ECV wheelchair or stroller
Alcoholic beverages
Weapons of any kind
Folding chairs
Glass containers (excluding baby food jars and perfume bottles)
Pets (unless they are service animals)
In Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park (for the safety of the wildlife), balloons, straws and drink lids are not permitted. Note: they now have biodegradable paper straws.
 
Nowhere do I see HTs!  I'm afraid I'd have to have a copy of chapter and verse from Disney World before I'd roll over on this.

Now you have MY bowels all hot and runny!


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N3HFS on September 30, 2013, 08:52:12 PM
Quote
Prohibited Items
 
The following are not allowed to be brought into the Disney Theme Parks:

Items with wheels, such as wagons, skateboards, scooters, inline skates, shoes with built-in wheels, two-wheeled or three-wheeled conveyances, strollers larger than 36" x 52", suitcases, coolers, or backpacks with or without wheels larger than 24" long x 15" wide x 18" high (coolers required for medication may be stored in a locker or at Guest Relations), and any trailer-like object that is pushed or towed by an ECV wheelchair or stroller
Alcoholic beverages
Weapons of any kind
Folding chairs
Glass containers (excluding baby food jars and perfume bottles)
Pets (unless they are service animals)
In Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park (for the safety of the wildlife), balloons, straws and drink lids are not permitted. Note: they now have biodegradable paper straws.

Wow...I don't see food or beverages (except alcohol) listed there, either.  I didn't realize they allowed that into their parks.  One could save a lot of time and money by bringing one's own lunches and dinners!


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K7RNO on September 30, 2013, 09:39:09 PM
I still could not find any rules posted by an official Disney site, but I found the following.
NB: it dates back to 2007, so I am not sure if the bottom line still applies, but it does make for an interesting read:

"Radio check

MousePlanet staff member Kevin Krock and his young son were surprised to be stopped at the bag check outside Disneyland last weekend after the cast member searching their bags saw that Kevin, a licensed amateur radio operator, was carrying a ham radio in his bag. The cast member said she was unsure if Disney allows guests to bring 2-way radios into the park, and so called her lead (manager) for clarification. The lead was also uncertain about the policy, and so called a Disneyland security officer, who called a security manager, who in turn called the Anaheim police officer stationed in Downtown Disney. Kevin, a communications volunteer for his local police department, said that he was delayed about 30 minutes while a growing group of people debated whether ham radios were allowed inside Disneyland. Kevin said that he was repeatedly questioned about whether his radio could listen in on Disney's frequencies, and was asked who he would be using the radio to talk to. He was also told by one cast member that "since September 11th," Disney policy has been that ham radios are not allowed into the park; but after producing his law enforcement volunteer identification and explaining the nature of his equipment to the Anaheim police officer, Kevin was eventually allowed to enter the park with his radio.

This scene may come as a surprise to the ham radio operators who regularly use handheld radios to communicate with others inside the Disneyland Resort, not to mention the members of the Disney Emergency Amateur Radio Service (DEARS), who maintain a repeater station on top of the Disneyland Hotel. DEARS hosted a field day inside Disneyland on the date of the park's 50th anniversary, and members of the Orange County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services (RACES) group helped provide communications support for the 2006 Disneyland Half Marathon.

After this incident, MousePlanet asked the Disneyland Resort for clarification about the policy, and learned that the Disneyland Resort did not actually have a formal policy about the use of amateur radios inside the resort before this incident. Guidelines are now being communicated to main entrance cast members, and Disney will allow guests to use amateur radio handsets for personal communication inside the theme parks—but hams should expect an extra measure of scrutiny from Disney security if they see you using your radio. MousePlanet now recommends that licensed amateur radio operators carry a copy of their FCC license if they plan to bring radio equipment into a Disney theme park, along with a little extra patience. If you are stopped at the bag check tables, or if Disney security approaches you inside the park, consider it a teaching opportunity. "

source: http://www.mouseplanet.com/6680/Disneyland_Park_Update (http://www.mouseplanet.com/6680/Disneyland_Park_Update)


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on September 30, 2013, 10:31:59 PM
I still could not find any rules posted by an official Disney site, but I found the following.
NB: it dates back to 2007, so I am not sure if the bottom line still applies, but it does make for an interesting read:

"Radio check

MousePlanet staff member Kevin Krock and his young son were surprised to be stopped at the bag check outside Disneyland last weekend after the cast member searching their bags saw that Kevin, a licensed amateur radio operator, was carrying a ham radio in his bag. The cast member said she was unsure if Disney allows guests to bring 2-way radios into the park, and so called her lead (manager) for clarification. The lead was also uncertain about the policy, and so called a Disneyland security officer, who called a security manager, who in turn called the Anaheim police officer stationed in Downtown Disney. Kevin, a communications volunteer for his local police department, said that he was delayed about 30 minutes while a growing group of people debated whether ham radios were allowed inside Disneyland. Kevin said that he was repeatedly questioned about whether his radio could listen in on Disney's frequencies, and was asked who he would be using the radio to talk to. He was also told by one cast member that "since September 11th," Disney policy has been that ham radios are not allowed into the park; but after producing his law enforcement volunteer identification and explaining the nature of his equipment to the Anaheim police officer, Kevin was eventually allowed to enter the park with his radio.

This scene may come as a surprise to the ham radio operators who regularly use handheld radios to communicate with others inside the Disneyland Resort, not to mention the members of the Disney Emergency Amateur Radio Service (DEARS), who maintain a repeater station on top of the Disneyland Hotel. DEARS hosted a field day inside Disneyland on the date of the park's 50th anniversary, and members of the Orange County Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Services (RACES) group helped provide communications support for the 2006 Disneyland Half Marathon.

After this incident, MousePlanet asked the Disneyland Resort for clarification about the policy, and learned that the Disneyland Resort did not actually have a formal policy about the use of amateur radios inside the resort before this incident. Guidelines are now being communicated to main entrance cast members, and Disney will allow guests to use amateur radio handsets for personal communication inside the theme parks—but hams should expect an extra measure of scrutiny from Disney security if they see you using your radio. MousePlanet now recommends that licensed amateur radio operators carry a copy of their FCC license if they plan to bring radio equipment into a Disney theme park, along with a little extra patience. If you are stopped at the bag check tables, or if Disney security approaches you inside the park, consider it a teaching opportunity. "

source: http://www.mouseplanet.com/6680/Disneyland_Park_Update (http://www.mouseplanet.com/6680/Disneyland_Park_Update)

The first person to respond to my post on Mouse Pad was the wife of the individual listed above.  She was also surprised to find the policy was different now. 

This brings up the issue of the license.  It didn't carry any weight with the lead or manager I spoke to.  In fact, he was a bit disdainful of the license.  My advice to any ham that wants to take their HT into the park:   Sneak it in and plead ignorance if caught...


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on October 01, 2013, 06:52:28 AM
>> ... the official Disney policy is ...

You guys don't get it.

1. Disney has a demonstrable history of supporting amateur radio - here and back East. Look it up for yourselves.

2. Amateur radios are allowed on site. SOURCE: Personal experience, and a simple call to Guest Services at Anaheim park yesterday.

3. But Disney has the right to tell anyone what they may or not bring
on site. It't their party.

SO ... You cause a problem while waiting in line, you might forfeit your
privilege. Don't like it? Leave.

There is no policy to change. Ham radio operators have been taking their HTs
in the park for years. And if one behaves responsibly and operates without
interrupting others, all will be well.

But it is irresponsible to blame Disney for one's bad manners and arrogance.

Clint Bradford K6LCS



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K7RNO on October 01, 2013, 09:41:09 AM
Disneyland has rules against amateur equipment

2. Amateur radios are allowed on site. SOURCE: Personal experience, and a simple call to Guest Services at Anaheim park yesterday.

What? You got me confused now.

And where, did you say, are those rules against amateur equipment? Still waiting for your answer on that one.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on October 01, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
I have never written that "Disney has rules against amateur equipment." That is either a typo on my part, or a mis-quotation on your part. Could you point us to that statement - if mine, it needs editing. If someone else's, it's in error.

Clint Bradford
909-241-7666



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on October 01, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
Found the citation - although poorly worded by me, you used it out of context ...

Clint wrote >>

"It is obvious WHY Disneyland has rules against amateur equipment - someone else posted it here
earlier: Disneyland would prefer that no one mess with their inside-park communications. And that
is entirely their right."

That was in response to someone who mention how some ham radio equipment is used to interfere
with park ops.

But the facts remain the same:

1. ABC/Disney has a demonstrable history of supporting amateur radio.

2. Hams for many years have been able to take their HTs to Disneyland and use them.

3. Disney retains the right to not allow anyone to take such equipment on the premises.

Acting responsibly and maturely, hams have enjoyed keeping track of friends and family and
working local repeaters at Disneyland for years. But come to the park with an attitude, make a fuss,
and start arguing with CMs, and you might not enjoy the same privilege as those who act more
appropriately.

UNLESS, of course, you define "appropriate" behavior as "arguing with CM" instead of
calmly explaining things. Then all bets are off, and I am entirely off-base.

Clint Bradford K6LCS
909-241-7666


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K7RNO on October 01, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
If you care to look for your own posts on this thread, you will find this on page 2:

Wow ... I didn't realize that the issue of whether or not one could flaunt amateur radio gear
at Disneyland was as important as segregation in this country ... someone's LIVING in Fantasyland ...

It is obvious WHY Disneyland has rules against amateur equipment - someone else posted it here
earlier: Disneyland would prefer that no one mess with their inside-park communications. And that
is entirely their right.

Some just need to pick battles just for the sake of picking battles. This one doesn't deserve all the
time we've wasted in this forum.

Clint K6LCS

And how do you know that they have those rules? Where did you read about them? Still waiting for that answer from you.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: N6AJR on October 01, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
way back when , you could not enter the park if you were wearing flip flops or any open toe shoes.  You could buy a pair of shoes in a Disney store and then be OK, but the (Disney) wanted protection against injury from stepped on toes. I think they changed that now.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AK7V on October 01, 2013, 02:58:16 PM
Guys. 

It's the happiest place on earth.  C'mon. 

Hug it out.

 ;D


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6CPO on October 01, 2013, 03:10:32 PM
Guys. 

It's the happiest place on earth.  C'mon. 

Hug it out.

 ;D

It gets old after a constant diet of it and that takes some of the magic away.  My wife likes to go at least once a month, sometimes more.  I don't.  I could understand it if we lived five or ten miles away, but it's 90 miles one way from where we live.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: AK7V on October 01, 2013, 03:43:51 PM
Guys. 

It's the happiest place on earth.  C'mon. 

Hug it out.

 ;D

It gets old after a constant diet of it and that takes some of the magic away.  My wife likes to go at least once a month, sometimes more.  I don't.  I could understand it if we lived five or ten miles away, but it's 90 miles one way from where we live.

That's a lot.  I don't even like driving "down the hill" into the city once a month.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on October 04, 2013, 11:36:45 AM
DISNEYLAND® Resort
Guest Experience Services

10/04/2013

Dear Clint,

Thank you for your e-mail to the DISNEYLAND® Resort.

As long as your portable amateur radio does not interfere with our
radios used in our Parks, you will be able to use yours.

Again, thank you for taking the time to write. We hope you will have the
opportunity to visit the DISNEYLAND® Resort soon and trust your visit
will be pleasant in all regards.

Sincerely,

Linda Trump
DISNEYLAND® Resort
Guest Experience Services

Received date: 9/28/13

Original Message Follows:
------------------------
First Day of Visit: 10/11/2013
Length Of Stay: 2

May I bring my portable amateur radio with me to Disneyland - Anaheim?
My FCC license is K6LCS ... and I would like to "work" the Disney
amateur radio repeater, and also talk to others while I am enjoying
Dumbo!

Clint Bradford [clint@clintbradford.com]

/end/


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: PBPP on October 04, 2013, 01:31:51 PM
Hehehehehehe.... so Disneyland IS ham friendly.  Just not if you're a grumpy old sourpuss.
Looks like you owe a LOT of folks an apology Mr. John T. Wright.   :-* :-*

~ Mitch ~


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K5TED on October 06, 2013, 01:36:44 PM
That alleged communication doesn't prove anything other than Disney's failure to consistently enforce their own rules.


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K5TED on October 06, 2013, 01:47:25 PM
>> ... try taking a flashlight and multibander past TSA ...

Better yet - if you want a cavity search guaranteed, try to get a rolled-up tape measure beam in carry-on ...

Clint K6LCS

I routinely carry a flashlight, a few small screwdrivers, many gadgets including USB DVD drive, 16AH USB battery, a mouse, several types of cables and adapters, USB sticks, a VX-7R, a couple of antennas, trusty old Radio Shack speaker/mic and pigtail, and rolled up 5-turn loop with  6' RG-174 lead in my backpack, and more often than not, a FT-817ND, roll of wire, Miracle Whip tuner and extra battery in my carry-on roller board, and it has never gotten more than a comment from the screener, such as, "Sir you have a lot of electronics", to which I cheerily agree and am on my way.



Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: K6LCS on October 06, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
>> ... That alleged communication ...

Wow - are you doubting the authenticity of that received email? Think someone hijacked Disneyland's email system and
sent that to me?

Clint Bradford


Title: RE: Disneyland Resort not ham friendly...
Post by: VE3FMC on October 06, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Guys. 

It's the happiest place on earth.  C'mon. 

Hug it out.

 ;D

It gets old after a constant diet of it and that takes some of the magic away.  My wife likes to go at least once a month, sometimes more.  I don't.  I could understand it if we lived five or ten miles away, but it's 90 miles one way from where we live.

Let you wife go and you can stay home and talk on your HT.  ;D