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Title: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 01, 2013, 08:48:47 AM
So I made a contact in the Canary Islands this morning, and I'm excited because it's only the second day of me being up and going on 10 meters. The guy (EA8AM) isn't on eQSL so I presumed I'd need to get LoTW going. I went through the "Request a Callsign Certificate" process.  I requested a certificate. The program sent it off through the internet. Then the instructions say this -

NOTE!

Do not delete the Callsign Certificate Request (the red-lined
   "pending" icon) from TQSL's "Callsign Certificates" tab after the Request
   has been conveyed.



I do not see any "red-lined pending" icons under the Callsign Certificates tab,  or any other tab for that matter. I have not received any email conformations that indicates I've done anything whatsoever. I see no logs or any other indication I've done a thing in the program to request anything. But it definitely did send a request off, because I was watching the thing. How do I even know that anything is in the process of being completed if there is no record of my requesting this "certificate"?

Oh and by the way - I have to wait for a postcard in the mail? I thought we were in the 21st century?  ::)


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: KU7PDX on December 01, 2013, 02:41:02 PM
Yep... Welcome to LoTW! You now have to wait for the postcard in the mail.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: KB1NXE on December 01, 2013, 02:45:11 PM
First, don't panic.  I would guess that you downloaded the newest verrsion of TQSL (Version 2.0).  If I'm right, there have been significant changes to the TQSL program.  So much so, the ARRL Web Page has not been updated to reflect the changes.  It's been out for a month or so (out of Beta that is).

Next the post card.  It's the ARRL's way of verifying who you are so that they control their awards to the licensee.  The card gets sent to the address in the FCC database for that call.  It's their program and they have determined that is the best way to prevent award fraud.  I don't even want to guess why someone would defraud a ham radio QSO award, but hey, some people I guess would.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 01, 2013, 03:32:06 PM
OK thanks. I sent in a problem ticket. I'll wait for the answer. I just don't understand why there is no record whatsoever of my doing anything at all in the program. As I said, I didn't even get an email that I did anything. They really need to put a warm fuzzy confirmation along the line at some point in the process.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 01, 2013, 07:11:00 PM
You are now going through the most painful and excruciating part of the LoTW process. The good news is that you only have to do this once. You will have to eventually renew your certificate since they are only good for 3 years, but that is just the matter of a click of a button from within the TQSL program.

Once you get all hooked up, be sure to submit all your logs as far back as you have them. You receive confirmation credits starting from the day you received your callsign, not from the day you signed up for LoTW.

99 more to go and you get one of these:

(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/scottaschultz/dxcc_mixed_zpsd0bf3d3a.jpg)

Good Luck!


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: KG4RUL on December 08, 2013, 05:52:23 AM
"AWARD FRAUD"!!!!

ROTFLMAOATCTALTAIHAVLA

Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off And That Could Take A Long Time As I Have A Very Large Ass

I see the ARRL Black Helos circling the QTH's of those fraudulent loggers now!


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: K1PJR on December 12, 2013, 11:41:42 AM
I believe you have to email them the file. It is not sent automatically.  I had the same issue when I set it up last year.  The instructions are a bit misleading.  I emailed the question and they got back to me the same day.  Once they get the file you will get your postcard. Since then I have never had any issues with Lotw.

73
Phil


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: K3NB on December 13, 2013, 07:45:24 AM
Good luck with LOTW.  I had this very interesting email chat with an ARRL rep over not being able to get the program to work for me.  He actually suggested using HRD (Ham Radio Deluxe) instead of LOTW and made some off-hand/snide comments to the effect of "well, that's LOTW," as if it isn't SUPPOSED to work.  This from the ARRL no less.  And I'm paying them annual dues.  Go figure.

I did everything by the letter and still can't log QSLs.

Your mileage may vary.

Still considering HRD, but "free" versus $100 is a big jump.  Except "free" doesn't always work.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: W4PC on December 16, 2013, 09:14:47 AM
we've had a 100% success rate setting up HRD to work with TQSL 1.x and 2.X. 


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: K3NB on December 16, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
we've had a 100% success rate setting up HRD to work with TQSL 1.x and 2.X. 

Did I miss something?  To use TQSL you have to have another program, like HRD or Maclogger running?

I'm not sure I got that from the directions.  I thought it was an autonomous program for logging QSOs.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: AA6YQ on December 18, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
we've had a 100% success rate setting up HRD to work with TQSL 1.x and 2.X. 
Did I miss something?  To use TQSL you have to have another program, like HRD or Maclogger running?

No, you do not. TQSL enables you to directly submit a file containing QSOs in ADIF or Cabrillo format to LotW. TQSL can also record or modify QSOs in an ADIF file, but there are many logging applications -- free and otherwise -- that would serve you better for these tasks.

If you're having trouble getting going with LoTW, contact me via aa6yq (at) ambersoft.com and I'll give you a hand.

     73,

           Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: K3NB on December 19, 2013, 04:19:55 AM
we've had a 100% success rate setting up HRD to work with TQSL 1.x and 2.X. 
Did I miss something?  To use TQSL you have to have another program, like HRD or Maclogger running?

No, you do not. TQSL enables you to directly submit a file containing QSOs in ADIF or Cabrillo format to LotW. TQSL can also record or modify QSOs in an ADIF file, but there are many logging applications -- free and otherwise -- that would serve you better for these tasks.

If you're having trouble getting going with LoTW, contact me via aa6yq (at) ambersoft.com and I'll give you a hand.

     73,

           Dave, AA6YQ

Thanks, Dave.  Maybe over the holidays (I'm taking some time off work for family, hobbies, friends coming in from out of town) I'll give you a call.

I'm new to this.  Got tech/general in August, Extra a month later (I'm a quick study), a radio, still trying to make an antenna that will work/fit with my yard and wife's tastes (SWMBO refers to my fan dipole as "the al qaeda connection" like something the cave-dwelling extremists would hang outside their operations' center), and just get the hang of talking on the radio.

I've made a handful of connections - a few through pileups - very satisfying to chat with someone over 2000 miles away in Mexico on a 20M dipole with a 5:1 SWR at 100 watts, or the canary islands.

Logging those QSOs was a major pain in the tuchus.

I struggled with LoTW at length and was really amazed that a rep from ARRL would tell me, after the install, the email, the postcard, the registration, that it's not a very functional program and it's really not.  I'd hoped this would be easier.

Gordon West tells me "have fun," and I get bogged down in the mire of QSO loggers, a mini-VNA that was broken out of the box but kept me troubleshooting it for over 8 hours (with emails to the european designers and US retailer), a "QSO-king" end-fed antenna that on paper looks like it might work (but doesn't - not as advertised), and more administrativial detail through the officious ARRL and so on.  Not as fun as I'd like, but I do have a friend locally who's also new to this - we have the same radios - and he's a big help too.

I'll get in touch.

Thanks again for the offer.

Merry Christmas.

Norm


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 19, 2013, 04:43:23 AM
Well I finally got a log signed and upload to LoTW.

Problem now is, not every Ham uses LoTW, and some do not send out paper cards, they only use eQSL.

So ... how do I get an award based on LoTW/ARRL if many Hams only use eQSL and specifically state they do not send out Cards? It's a mess.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 19, 2013, 05:12:53 AM
Well I finally got a log signed and upload to LoTW.

Problem now is, not every Ham uses LoTW, and some do not send out paper cards, they only use eQSL.

So ... how do I get an award based on LoTW/ARRL if many Hams only use eQSL and specifically state they do not send out Cards? It's a mess.

Its not a mess at all. So did someone promise you that it would be easy to get those awards? If they did, they lied to you!

Its far easier now with LoTW than it ever was before when the only way to get those awards was with paper QSL cards.

All of these have been earned exclusively through LoTW:

(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/scottaschultz/shack2_zpsf595049b.jpg)

It took several years to earn these. You just need to keep working stations until you get enough of them to confirm the contacts. You don't get a special award for how fast you earn an award!



Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 19, 2013, 05:18:08 AM
Its not a mess at all. So did someone promise you that it would be easy to get those awards? If they did, they lied to you!

Its far easier now with LoTW than it ever was before when the only way to get those awards was with paper QSL cards.

How do I get an ARRL award when I make a valid contact with a licensed ham radio station that only uses eQSL?


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 19, 2013, 06:03:13 AM
How do I get an ARRL award when I make a valid contact with a licensed ham radio station that only uses eQSL?

You don't! If you want an ARRL operating award, you follow their rules and their rules state that they will not accept eQSL confirmations. Period. So forget about it and move on. Keep working stations until you find ones that will confirm the contact via LoTW.

If you want WAS, you may have to work hundreds of stations before you get enough confirmations for the award and if you want DXCC, you may have to work thousands of stations.



Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: KF6QEX on December 19, 2013, 04:51:29 PM
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How do I get an ARRL award when I make a valid contact with a licensed ham radio station that only uses eQSL?

I went to the ARRL website to look it up but the main page still looks like a circus flyer (but that's for another thread) so I left.

You request either a Lotw confirmation or a QSL card.



Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 20, 2013, 05:00:12 AM
You request either a Lotw confirmation or a QSL card.

And if they specifically state on their QRZ page that they won't, then what? Ask them anyway and risk annoying them?

For example, during the 10 meter contest I contacted DK3EE. Here's what he says -

Quote
DDK3EE -

QSL Info   PSE NO QSL!
QSL by Mail?   No (e.g. Will this ham QSL by Postal Mail?)
QSL by eQSL?   No (e.g. Will this ham QSL with eQSL?)
Uses LOTW?   No (e.g. Does this ham use ARRL's LOTW ?)


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: W1VT on December 20, 2013, 05:19:17 AM
You request either a Lotw confirmation or a QSL card.

And if they specifically state on their QRZ page that they won't, then what? Ask them anyway and risk annoying them?

For example, during the 10 meter contest I contacted DK3EE. Here's what he says -

Quote
DDK3EE -

QSL Info   PSE NO QSL!
QSL by Mail?   No (e.g. Will this ham QSL by Postal Mail?)
QSL by eQSL?   No (e.g. Will this ham QSL with eQSL?)
Uses LOTW?   No (e.g. Does this ham use ARRL's LOTW ?)

The courteous thing to do is to respect his wishes.  Don't ask for a card if you know he doesn't QSL.  I try to follow the DX instructions as best I can, or I don't send for a card if I think he his being unreasonable.  Move on and work another German station who will provide a suitable QSL for whatever award you want to work.  I just worked two German stations on 160 meters--both who aren't on LoTW, so I'm sending them both cards via the bureau, since plenty of really nice photo QSLs to send out--a few DX stations have commented on how much they like my card :D.  Alternately, I could just keep working Germans on 160 until I do get an LoTW QSL, which is almost guaranteed to happen before I get my 160M DXCC--it is a tough award that normally takes a few years--though my 80M DXCC was done in a couple of months with 100 watts and a wire vertical.   ;D

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 20, 2013, 05:25:46 AM
And if they specifically state on their QRZ page that they won't, then what?

What part of "FORGET ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON!" don't you understand?

If you spent as much time and effort and energy actually on the air looking for DX stations as you are worrying about why this one single station in Germany who says in no uncertain terms that he will not confirm your contact via LoTW, you would have a dozen confirmed contacts with that country!

There are currently 340 DX entities. According to the "DXCC Most Wanted List" as published by Club Log (http://www.clublog.org/mostwanted.php), the United States is #340. This means that we are the easiest DX entity to work. And if you look at the list you will see the entity that is right behind us in the 339th spot... GERMANY! Working Germany is like shooting fish in a barrel!

I have worked Germany using CW, SSB, RTTY, PSK31, Olivia and Hellschreiber. I have also worked Germany on every HF band. I promise you, there are TONS of other stations in Germany that will confirm contacts via LoTW... I promise!


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 20, 2013, 05:36:02 AM
What part of "FORGET ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON!" don't you understand?

Sorry, but I don't respond to your commands as you seem to wish.

Quote
If you spent as much time and effort and energy actually on the air looking for DX stations as you are worrying about why this one single station in Germany who says in no uncertain terms that he will not confirm your contact via LoTW, you would have a dozen confirmed contacts with that country!

What I don't get is why they can't even do electronic QSL, such as eQSl. There's essentially no expense. So what's the big deal about it?


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N3QE on December 20, 2013, 06:02:18 AM
Well I finally got a log signed and upload to LoTW.

Problem now is, not every Ham uses LoTW, and some do not send out paper cards, they only use eQSL.

So ... how do I get an award based on LoTW/ARRL if many Hams only use eQSL and specifically state they do not send out Cards? It's a mess.

Your best bet to getting awards quickly via LOTW, is work the modes and patterns that have highest LOTW usage. This means contests.

I find about 70% of my RTTY contest QSO's are verified on LOTW. More than 50% of my CW contest QSO's are verified on LOTW. Phone contests, are close to 35-40% LOTW participation. Most of these happen in the weeks after the contest, but there's a slow steady trickle of LOTW confirmations on 5-year old QSO's.

In "DX chasing" I find that most DXpeditions eventually upload to LOTW. Some in the same day, some in 6 months, but most upload to LOTW. I still have a handful of entities that are only confirmed on paper cards because they never use LOTW.

Some other modes, e.g. 2M repeater QSO's, or Field Day QSO's, or "nets", I find LOTW participation to be almost zero in these activities.

"DX nets" are pretty much hopeless for LOTW too. Wow, what a bunch of crackerjacks those guys are.

Tim.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 20, 2013, 06:08:27 AM
What part of "FORGET ABOUT IT AND MOVE ON!" don't you understand?

Sorry, but I don't respond to your commands as you seem to wish.

Its not a command by any means. Its just the math! Germany is the second easiest DX entity to work. Right now (1356z) DO1KRT is on 28.495 and his ONLY method of confirming contacts is via LoTW.

But OK, do it your way. Don't listen to someone who already has DXCC exclusivley using LoTW confirmations. Obviously I don't know what I am talking about!

If you spent as much time and effort and energy actually on the air looking for DX stations as you are worrying about why this one single station in Germany who says in no uncertain terms that he will not confirm your contact via LoTW, you would have a dozen confirmed contacts with that country!

What I don't get is why they can't even do electronic QSL, such as eQSl. There's essentially no expense. So what's the big deal about it?

And what part of the fact that in order to earn an ARRL award you have to follow the ARRL's rules don't you get?


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N5INP on December 20, 2013, 06:13:19 AM
And what part of the fact that in order to earn an ARRL award you have to follow the ARRL's rules don't you get?

My statement was about why a ham would not even do eQSL - not ARRL LoTW.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 20, 2013, 06:35:50 AM
And what part of the fact that in order to earn an ARRL award you have to follow the ARRL's rules don't you get?

My statement was about why a ham would not even do eQSL - not ARRL LoTW.

I apologize. I misunderstood you. But to use your own words, maybe they don't respond to your commands as you seem to wish!

At the end of the day, it is up to each individual operator to decide how or even if they confirm their contacts. Maybe there is some technical reason like they don't have a computer or Internet access or maybe, just maybe, they just don't want to! Not everyone gets on the air for the purpose of getting an award. If getting DXCC or WAS or any operating award was easy, what would be the value or purpose in getting that award?




Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: AC4RD on December 22, 2013, 07:17:41 AM
What I don't get is why they can't even do electronic QSL, such as eQSl. There's essentially no expense. So what's the big deal about it?

I love collard greens.  My wife doesn't.

Same deal.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N9KX on December 22, 2013, 09:10:26 AM
What I don't get is why they can't even do electronic QSL, such as eQSl. There's essentially no expense. So what's the big deal about it?

The biggest problem with eQSL is that it does not have the same degree of fraud protection.  People may laugh and ask why an ARRL award needs fraud protection but consider how difficult something like DX Honor Roll or 5 band QRP DXCC and it may make more sense.  I and many others get eQSL verification requests from stations that we never worked.  It would be all too easy not to check one's log and just verify it using that system. If a RARE DX entity is on 30 meters you can pretty much guarantee a few rogue dishonorable hams will be calling them with more than the 30m legal limit, so people do break rules seeking ARRL awards...   sad but true...

As others have said, once you get thru the frustrating task of setting your LoTW account up and verifying your address and ID by the post card -- it becomes far more seamless.  A program like HRD or AC Log will make uploading your logs to LoTW and downloading your confirmations more convenient.  Check out the eham.net reviews for either.

Getting excited over working Germany is a privilege you should savor, one day it will seem as others have suggested -- like fish in a barrel.

Dave AA6YQ is a stellar person to get assistance from.  As far as I can tell, he has been indispensable in tuning up & improving the LoTW program.

LoTW-only DXCC requires patience with modest stations, but is very doable.  Propagation is good right now and more and more peops utilize LoTW.  Imagine trying to do it all the way they did 25 years ago:  No internet DX spots, snail mail only.  The guys who got Honor Roll back then should be enshrined in a Ham Radio DX Hall of Fame!!!

73



Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: AA6YQ on December 22, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
LoTW-only DXCC requires patience with modest stations, but is very doable.  Propagation is good right now and more and more peops utilize LoTW.  Imagine trying to do it all the way they did 25 years ago:  No internet DX spots, snail mail only.  The guys who got Honor Roll back then should be enshrined in a Ham Radio DX Hall of Fame!!!

25 years ago, DXers were using 2M packet spotting networks, the precursor to today's DX clusters. Before that, they used 2M repeaters, and before that, they called each other up on the phone (sometimes hanging up after 1 or 2 rings to convey information without having to pay long distance charges).

DXing has long been a team sport...

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N9KX on December 22, 2013, 07:29:11 PM

25 years ago, DXers were using 2M packet spotting networks, the precursor to today's DX clusters. Before that, they used 2M repeaters, and before that, they called each other up on the phone (sometimes hanging up after 1 or 2 rings to convey information without having to pay long distance charges).

DXing has long been a team sport...

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ

point taken, but it is a bit incongruent to compare what the worldwide web puts into the DX seeker's proverbial hands today verses the more archaic teamwork tools you site.  (although I miscalculated a little and was thinking more of pre-1980...)


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on December 22, 2013, 09:15:05 PM
point taken, but it is a bit incongruent to compare what the worldwide web puts into the DX seeker's proverbial hands today verses the more archaic teamwork tools you site.  (although I miscalculated a little and was thinking more of pre-1980...)

Do not discount the value of 2m packet clusters. While there are tons of spots on places like DX Summit, over 90% doesn't do me any good. At least with the 2m packet clusters, what I was seeing is what other locals were working.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: AA6YQ on December 23, 2013, 03:02:04 AM
The global DX cluster network is a double-edged sword: it's great for identifying a needed DX station's operating patterns, and revealing propagation openings, but one spot can attract a impenetrable pileup.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N9KX on December 23, 2013, 07:04:55 AM
well i know very little packet clusters and I have never operated above 10m, but weren't hams living in rural areas then pretty much out of the loop?  

not that DX'ers weren't resourceful say in the 1950's, 60's & 1970's -- but it seems to me that achieving honor roll without the internet is comparatively far more impressive.  

not to take anything away from those who have attained Honor Roll with the help of the internet -- it is still a HUGE accomplishment that seems way out of this op.s reach.

i realize that huge pile-ups get generated by DX spots and other DX software, but the saavy DX'er can use these tools far better than the common pile-up herd member.  (i am not a saavy DX'er, but that seems to me to be a safe extrapolation )

5 band DXCC QRP is also a stunning accomplishment.  


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N9KX on December 23, 2013, 07:53:56 AM
Getting 340 (or thereabouts) entities confirmed by snail mail is also ridiculous!  :) 

LoTW has been a godsend -- old school Honor Rollees must have had deep pockets and incredible patience...


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: AC4RD on December 24, 2013, 09:06:10 AM
The global DX cluster network is a double-edged sword: it's great for identifying a needed DX station's operating patterns, and revealing propagation openings, but one spot can attract a impenetrable pileup.

Truth and wisdom, AA6YQ!  Nail on the head!

A dozen times in the last few months, I've been trawling 10 & 12 in the evenings, listening for those JAs and Pacific stations we hear on the east coast, mostly weak but workable if you're patient, you wait for the right moment, and you're listening to the other op carefully.  And then someone puts them on the cluster, and suddenly there are three dozen people tuning up, a few people calling the DX even though they haven't heard him yet, and a couple of guys who send "?" a few times for no reason I've ever managed to figure out.  Then a couple of sociopaths start holding down their DIT paddles to show how unhappy they are, and there's no point in trying to work THAT one any longer.  :-(   And if the DX is operating split, 90% of the people I just mentioned haven't listened enough do hear that it's split so they're doing all that ON the DX's frequency, and then the half-dozen pseudo-helpful goons start sending "UP UP UP" and "LID" over and over.

The cluster can be helpful at times ... but if the darned thing disappeared tomorrow, I'd be happy.




Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: W4RS on December 26, 2013, 06:07:06 PM
i guess i am in the old school section.yes we called each other when we heard a station needed by another ham. this was taught to me by my elmer, n4bzx. we all had a list of stations needed by each other and kept it updated. me i have dxcc, and the difficult 5 band dxcc.all were by paper cards. sometime you work many stations to get a card from a place. but its time by the river, just keep listening. no net, no spots, just tune around the bands.
jim du3/w4rs  w4rs
ps. i am now in the philippines if you wk me, card by ai4u, or lotw, or eqsl.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: VE3FMC on January 05, 2014, 09:33:51 AM
Its not a mess at all. So did someone promise you that it would be easy to get those awards? If they did, they lied to you!

Its far easier now with LoTW than it ever was before when the only way to get those awards was with paper QSL cards.

How do I get an ARRL award when I make a valid contact with a licensed ham radio station that only uses eQSL?

You don't because the ARRL is a closed shop that does not recognize EQSL cards.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: WA8UEG on January 05, 2014, 11:33:36 AM
If your interested in awards and want to do it quick & cheap you can get a free logging program and connect to a spotting cluster then set it to highlight stations that are spotted and use LOTW. I use a free program, Logger32. I can set it to "hold" & show the spots for any time frame I want, I have it set for 45 minutes and I can watch 3 bands at a time as well as the rolling spots for all bands. It will alert me to new countries I need, countries I have worked but not confirmed, countries I have not confirmed and can do it by band and mode. With a good program such as Logger32, HRD, etc. you can upload LOTW with a click, Sync with LOTW for qsl confirmations and keep track of all awards virtually without effort.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: VE3TMT on January 10, 2014, 09:31:07 AM
And what part of the fact that in order to earn an ARRL award you have to follow the ARRL's rules don't you get?

My statement was about why a ham would not even do eQSL - not ARRL LoTW.


Not everyone uses LOTW, just like not everyone uses eQSL. I used to use eQSL until I kept getting emails asking me to confirm contacts from stations I never worked. I now have WAS and DXCC using only LOTW. I've never had an issue with it, and supposedly it's harder to set up if you are outside the USA.

My only gripe about LOTW is the cost of getting your earned certificates. I got the WAS at no cost, but they want something like $15 for the DXCC certificate, thanks, but no thanks.

If the station you are working doesn't use LOTW, move on and work someone who does.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: HURRICAINE on January 10, 2014, 10:48:21 AM
The global DX cluster network is a double-edged sword: it's great for identifying a needed DX station's operating patterns, and revealing propagation openings, but one spot can attract a impenetrable pileup.

Truth and wisdom, AA6YQ!  Nail on the head!

A dozen times in the last few months, I've been trawling 10 & 12 in the evenings, listening for those JAs and Pacific stations we hear on the east coast, mostly weak but workable if you're patient, you wait for the right moment, and you're listening to the other op carefully.  And then someone puts them on the cluster, and suddenly there are three dozen people tuning up, a few people calling the DX even though they haven't heard him yet, and a couple of guys who send "?" a few times for no reason I've ever managed to figure out.  Then a couple of sociopaths start holding down their DIT paddles to show how unhappy they are, and there's no point in trying to work THAT one any longer.  :-(   And if the DX is operating split, 90% of the people I just mentioned haven't listened enough do hear that it's split so they're doing all that ON the DX's frequency, and then the half-dozen pseudo-helpful goons start sending "UP UP UP" and "LID" over and over.

The cluster can be helpful at times ... but if the darned thing disappeared tomorrow, I'd be happy.




I can only imagine that most people on this forum will get tired of me saying this, but don't you think that what these LIDS are doing came from the CB radio.
I mean, I can remember back 40 something years ago to a time when the CB radio was a nice place.  We all had call signs and we acted like ladies and gentlemen.
When the Yaesu FT 101 came out and the solid state - cheap - radios came out, sometime after 1974, the scenario changed, and the mentality changed.  Then it became who had the loudest radio and the most power. 
Those battles were usually won by the CB'rs down in Texas with the tall towers and the big amplifiers.
This was the very reason why I turned my CB radio off, and this was the very reason why I was so enamored by Amatuer Radio.
After 1980, when the CB'rs crapped in their own nests and made it impossible to have a civil conversation on the 23 and then later 40 channels given to them, it was just a matter of time before the Free Banders turned to legalization of their activities, which they called Amateur Radio.
I have worked JA's and HA's on phone, 10 meters and 15, with nothing more then 100 watts and a simple antenna.
Fortunately I do not measure my self worth by the opinions of others and I don't need wallpaper to tell me my accomplishments.
God gave each of us two ears and one mouth.  That means that sometimes it is more important to listen then to talk.
There is nothing significant about talking to someone from someplace else..  Unless that person was the only ham in the whole country - which I did manage to talk to a guy once in North Korea, it is no big deal in the grand scheme of things.
If you want to talk to someone in Japan, move to Japan, or call them on the telephone.
I did have an interesting conversation with a guy in Siberia on 10 meters one morning a couple of years ago.
That man impressed me more then all of the others.
He was operating on a radio he had built out of scrounged parts and he did not have much money.  There was no big beam antenna or amplifier or expensive microphone, just this guy with his homebrew radio station.  Maybe if it wasn't so important to some people to get all these countries in their log books, we wouldn't have a problem working these DX stations in the first place.

If you call CQ and are from Ohio or Pennsylvania, no one will talk to you because you are not rare DX to them, even though 3 land is the slowest growth per a capita for amateur radio licenses out of most all of the call districts.   The Technician's are the whole way up to KC3 - wow~!


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: N0IU on January 10, 2014, 03:05:11 PM
My only gripe about LOTW is the cost of getting your earned certificates. I got the WAS at no cost, but they want something like $15 for the DXCC certificate, thanks, but no thanks.

The fact that it costs money to get the certificate has nothing to do with LoTW. You still have to pay for the certificate even you if you turn in paper cards.


Title: RE: LoTW Help Please
Post by: AA6YQ on January 10, 2014, 03:05:20 PM
If your interested in awards and want to do it quick & cheap you can get a free logging program and connect to a spotting cluster then set it to highlight stations that are spotted and use LOTW. I use a free program, Logger32. I can set it to "hold" & show the spots for any time frame I want, I have it set for 45 minutes and I can watch 3 bands at a time as well as the rolling spots for all bands. It will alert me to new countries I need, countries I have worked but not confirmed, countries I have not confirmed and can do it by band and mode. With a good program such as Logger32, HRD, etc. you can upload LOTW with a click, Sync with LOTW for qsl confirmations and keep track of all awards virtually without effort.

A couple of comments:

  • - ops who uploaded QSOs to LotW in the past, were turned off by the complexity or lost interest, and never uploaded again still appear on HB9BZA's known LotW participants (http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw-users-list) list, which many applications and services rely on
  • - there are several levels of LotW confirmation: DXCC entity, WAS State, and VUCC grid

DXLab's (http://www.dxlabsuite.com) LotW database is constructed and distributed ~weekly from HB9BZA's list, but with the addition of "last upload" dates for each entry. You can specify how recently a station must have last uploaded to LotW to be highlighted and announced as an LotW participant. You can also quickly review all of your logged QSOs that were uploaded to LotW and remain unconfirmed, even though your QSO partner has uploaded QSOs to LotW after the date of your QSO.

The "baseline" LotW confirmation covers the DXCC entity, entity-band, and entity-mode. If the QSO was with a US station and your QSO partner specified a US state in the Station Location that he or she used to upload your QSO, then the LotW confirmation also covers the state, state-band, and state-mode. If your QSO was on a band applicable to VUCC and your QSO partner specified one, two, or four grid squares in his or her Station Location, then the LotW confirmation covers each grid-band.

The details of exactly what's confirmed are reported in the results of an LotW QSL Query; some logging applications (like DXLab) interpret these results and highlight missing State or Grid confirmations so you can, if desired, contact your QSO partner and ask them to resubmit your QSO with a complete Station Location.

At present, this "multi-level" LotW confirmation concept is not well documented. I'm working to correct that.

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ