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Title: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA9CFK on January 24, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
I am curious. When working QRP with CW do you call CQ or do you wait for others to call, then answer them?

I do both but I have had better luck answering the other persons call. 


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: AA4PB on January 24, 2014, 08:42:09 AM
I've done both but am most successful when calling other stations. If I'm running QRP levels there's usually not a lot of point in calling very weak stations who are running 100W or more.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WB0FDJ on January 24, 2014, 09:09:02 AM
A lot of QRPers recommend hunt and pounce. I've found that it will usually produce some results if I really want to make a QSO.

But with the QRP watering holes so well known amongst the brethren, I find myself sitting in the shack, doing other things and monitoring 14.060 during the day. If I were tempted to call CQ (which I rarely do), I'd do it on one of the known QRP frequencies first. My luck there has been good, even with the Rockmite.

WB0FDJ Doc


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K8AXW on January 24, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
I really don't want to get into another QRP vs. QRO discussion but let me explain the facts of life about QRP.

You call CQ.  Ops tuning around the band hear your CQ and walk on by because it's human nature to go for or look for the loudest signal because it's just easier to copy a loud signal vs. a weak one. As humans we are basically lazy.

If you hear and pounce.....rather it's answering a CQ or tailgating, most times the station will respond to your call out of courtesy.  This is why the success rating for the later is much higher than calling CQ. 

 


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W1JKA on January 24, 2014, 10:28:33 AM
  I do both about equally, mostly on the 20/30/40m QRP H2O holes and have fun either way especially when I CQ on a supposedly dead or quiet band and get a call back out of nowhere like early this morning before the 20m grey lines opens up from Europe I sent out a CQ on 14.060 (band was dead?) and got a call back and 20 min. QSO with Doug K9DLT in Lake Havasu City AZ. from here in ME. with 5 watts and my Hex beamed NE to Europe. You never know.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: F8WBD on January 25, 2014, 01:07:05 AM
I would say that my ratio is 30% call, 70% pounce. I never advertise "QRP" after my call...except when CQing on the accepted QRP frequencies. Reason, I have observed more and more QRO stations there (they have the right). Listening to their traffic, 100 watts frequently given. So, I let others know I am running 5 watts and less.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA9CFK on January 26, 2014, 04:57:55 PM
I think many hams go for the strongest signal, it is easier. I will go for the rather weak signal because it may be another qrp or dx.

However, if there NO weak signals I will jump on the strongest CQ also.

I have never figured out why the qro ops park on the qrp call frequencies?




Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: LA9XSA on January 27, 2014, 01:37:09 AM
I don't call CQ a lot, mostly I respond. I mostly work voice though, just a few CW and digital contacts in my log.

I usually try to call even the weak sounding stations a couple of times. Sometimes they have better ears, a better receiver or more quiet locations than the stronger sounding ones, so even if the weak sounding station is running 100 watts or more I might get a 55 while I hear him just 42 or 53.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W7ASA on January 27, 2014, 07:19:21 AM
BOTH -

I am fortunate to live in a low RF noise area and have a Windom up at a bit over 90 feet.  That being the case, the weak ones are not fighting through very much in the way of local RF noise.  If near a QRP watering hole, (+-5) I will often go for the weak ones who are sometimes QRP'ers.  That thought has proven to be more ASSUMPTION than fact, however, because I've had so many good rag chews with people I assumed were 100 Watt stations and they me, yet when we got around to discussing radio types and etc. turns out that the QRK4/5 was from 2 way QRP.  Propagation and antenna are the major factors and receiver after that - not power. I'll happily take my ~2S-unit discount for 5 Watts re: 100 W, as long as I can have a good antenna and a ham on the other end who understands how to use his CW filters.

It's truly unfortunate that so many hams are chained in HOA's and covenants which forbid reasonable antennas on their own property. It's increasingly common for me to talk with hams using antennas along the line of a temporary mobile whip on a tripod, running high power, because it's what they can get away with at night, then put it away before anyone can see his 'offensive structure'.

I LISTEN a lot and take enjoyment from it, call CQ, pounce if a station sounds interesting.



73 de Ray
W7ASA ..._  ._




Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: KATEKEBO on January 27, 2014, 09:44:47 AM
90% of the time I answer other people calling CQ or QRZ.  If I can hear them with a solid S9 signal, odds are that they will be able to hear me around S6 (assuming they are running QRO, and I am doing only 5W).

I sometimes call CQ when the band is clearly open.  With QRP it's a 50/50 - sometimes somebody will answer, sometimes nobody answers after several attempts.



Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA9CFK on January 30, 2014, 07:59:57 AM
ASA is certainly correct about propagation and antennas. You can never have too much of either.  ;)

Being one who stalks the night, on 80 meters it is not so much the propagation as the noise. The best antenna I have found so far is my 80 meter loop because it is quiet compared to my 160m Inverted L.

I load both of these antennas on 80, 40 and 30 meters and so far the loop, though it is only 45 feet high, wins every time.

The reason that most folks run 100 watts is because that has become the norm. If the manufacturers had settled on 50 watts or 150 watts most hams would be just as happy.
 
There are many reasons why some like the challenge of QRP, for me it is the last frontier of the home brew tinkerer; and it is an effective way to communicate. But that is for another post.   


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K7NSW on January 30, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
TO WA9CFK: I am QRO and often stalk the QRP freqs. Here is why I do it. I am in Idaho. Many QRP ops are chasing states for various awards and Idaho is not as easy to find as others. Too often a qso starts out ok and is then killed by someone finding the freq and cannot hear the QRP qso in progress. So he/she fires off the customary QRL?, hears nothing again and starts calling cq. That kills the qso and no Idaho qsl for the op who needed it and is 339 in my receiver with qsb all over him. I Use QRO if necessary to hold the freq and complete the qso. No other way works. There are several QRP ops who have my Idaho card on their wall because I do this. So far, no one has called me down for it. If qro is not needed my amp stays in standby mode. Call me altruistic if that fits. There are states I have waited long times to finally confirm. To "do the right thing"' I pay it forward by getting on and providing an Idaho contact when I do not need another card from the huge easier to get states. My qro makes it happen and I mail out the cards.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K8AG on February 28, 2014, 05:28:35 AM
I am curious. When working QRP with CW do you call CQ or do you wait for others to call, then answer them?

I do both but I have had better luck answering the other persons call. 

Me too.  I just can't resist answering a CQ.
72, JP, K8AG


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: KB1GMX on March 01, 2014, 09:15:30 AM
The answer is yes!  I do both, mostly depending on conditions.  At least twice I've run
a frequency QRP, the TA33JR [triband beam] may have helped there!


Allison


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on March 01, 2014, 03:58:38 PM
My answer is YES! I do both. At 318 countries(316 confirmed) thus far ...I assure you  that one must do both to get the results you might want.....that I have achieved. And NO I AM NOT BRAGGING.....JUST SHARING.PERIOD!!  It has taken me years upon years with steadfast patience and an absolute determination to get those 318....but for me it has been worth the efforts to over-come  the challenges that Qrp operations presented to me during EACH QSO. Bluntly put, the thrill of working DX with 5 watts or less on a antenna that you made...well...in the many decades of being a Qrper...... THAT THRILL OF WORKING DX HAS NEVER LEFT ME. I HOPE IT NEVER WILL.
Best regards with many 72 to all my fellow Brother and Sister Qrpers.
Enjoy our hobby of Qrping.
C  U on the bands....
GD DX
Don sr. -- WA2TPU/Qrp-- A TRUE ALL AMERICAN MADE 5 WATT QRP GREEN STATION.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: NU4B on March 02, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
At 318 countries(316 confirmed) thus far

Don, congratulations on the impressive numbers and....I hate you... (said with envy) ;D ;D ;D just kidding of course. I always like to see what other guys are doing and when you get to 318 you get to brag (I mean share) a little. All you guys over 300 just prove what you can do with a QRP station. I'm at 291 (FT5Z being 291) so knowing there're guys over 300 gives me hope that it is achievable. Of course when you work on DXCC QRP you soon realize its all possible with a little work.

I'm also impressed with your green station. Something I've wanted to do but have been to lazy to do.

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THAT THRILL OF WORKING DX HAS NEVER LEFT ME. I HOPE IT NEVER WILL.

That's true with me also. One reason I like to enter the DX contests is just to work DX. I don't care if I'm working Aruba or Mongolia, I get a big thrill with a DX contact. (Plus in contests there's always the possibility of a new one and I'm never to old to learn. Last fall I learned how strong the 15M and 20M long path to east Africa was. This was actually very key to me working FT5ZM)

I've been working on DXCC QRP for 30 years now (minus a 7 year ham radio hiatus) and its been exciting every since the beginning. I wouldn't want to have done it any other way. My first DX contact when I seriously started this in 1984 was KP4ERA in Puerto Rico with my brand new HW-9 (I had just finished building) pumping out a big 4 watts.  ;D

BTW, out of 291 countries, 250 have been worked with the HW-9. Including some goodies like 7O6T, HK0NA, ZL8X, VP6DX, and VP6T. A couple entities (YB and HV) I've only worked with the HW-9.  OK, I'm done with Memory Lane.

Thanks for the post, Don, and good luck with the last 22.

 - Larry NU4B


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on March 31, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
To NU4B.....

Larry...thanks 4 ur kind considerate words. UR 291 COUNTRIES IS GREAT STUFF!! SINCERE CONGRADS 2 U Brother. GREAT STUFF!! I think and believe ALL Qrpers shud post their country totals somewhere within this forum . Whether you've worked 1...a hundred or 200 or more countries via 5 watts or less IS SOMETHING TRULY SPECIAL and NOTEWORTHY..ABSOLUTELY A FEAT TO B PROUD OF 4 SURE!!   Anyway,that's the way I see it.
Larry-BTW I'm now at 322 countries with 320 confirmed. My hopeful and semi-realistic goal has been to reach 300 B4 becoming an SK...so 8 just 2 go 2 reach my goal. MORE POUNCING I GUESS!! hi hi. NO!! THIS ISN'T SOME April Fool's joke.
My BEST regards to ALL with many 72....73.
Don sr. -- WA2TPU/Qrp


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K5MF on March 31, 2014, 07:41:36 PM
Dang!  I am so jealous of you guys.  I don't think I will ever have the patience and time to do on 100 Watts what you two have done on 5 or less.  That is just outstanding and something for which you can be really proud.  That is definitely an accomplishment that has bragging rights attached!

OK on the topic, I don't know which is best but I am surprised with the number who say search and pounce is better.  I am not challenging that position just surprised to hear it. I do not have enough experience to say for sure one way or the other, but my gut would say that being heard is the number one issue with QRP.  No?  I'm thinking that if someone can hear you, then hearing them should not be an issue.  Therefore, I would think calling CQ would be advantageous over trying to respond to someone who may not even be able to hear you.  But I guess I can understand the tendency for ops to work the louder stations and those calling CQ are more motivated to accept any response.

You learn something every day.  I am going to turn up the hunt and pounce and call CQ a little less when working QRP.

73,

Tom/AE5QB 


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: N8TI on March 31, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
I agree that if you want to call CQ you are better off to call on a recognized QRP frequency.  Although people may disagree, I think it is a good idea to put "QRP" after your call.  I often go to the QRP frequencies and listen for QRP calls because I like to return their calls, even if I am QRO, so I can "test" my antennas and rig.  I believe that the guy receiving the QRP signal is doing the heavy lifting.

The other day I had a QSO with a person about 1800 miles away and he was running less than a watt.  I was thrilled that I could hear him as it was fun for me to know that my rig and my simple dipole could pick out his signal. I was running 200 watts, but I don't think he minded. Do QRP'ers mind when a QRO station contacts them? I know that when I am calling with a QRP signal, I am happy to talk to anyone. 

I also agree that most of the time you are better off by responding to CQ's if you are running QRP.  I cannot imagine that a person calling CQ would refuse to come back to a person answering his or her CQ, even if the incoming signal was weak.

I always start out calling CQ, then try to pounce, then try a CQ and alternate back and forth.

Joe


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on March 31, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
To NU4B..... I had a typo B4.......I meant 330 xtries is my goal..

Larry...thanks 4 ur kind considerate words. UR 291 COUNTRIES IS GREAT STUFF!! SINCERE CONGRADS 2 U Brother. GREAT STUFF!! I think and believe ALL Qrpers shud post their country totals somewhere within this forum . Whether you've worked 1...a hundred or 200 or more countries via 5 watts or less IS SOMETHING TRULY SPECIAL and NOTEWORTHY..ABSOLUTELY A FEAT TO B PROUD OF 4 SURE!!   Anyway,that's the way I see it.
Larry-BTW I'm now at 322 countries with 320 confirmed. My hopeful and semi-realistic goal has been to reach 330 B4 becoming an SK...so 8 just 2 go 2 reach my goal. MORE POUNCING I GUESS!! hi hi. NO!! THIS ISN'T SOME April Fool's joke.
My BEST regards to ALL with many 72....73.
Don sr. -- WA2TPU/Qrp


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on March 31, 2014, 10:48:36 PM
to N8TI and everyone.....

I anymore don't hang-out very often on the established Qrp frequencies(like 7050Mhz,etc). When I call CQ I'm usually down at the bottom of the band edges. Example- I really like 7.003 Mhz. Just about every night I talk to my friend Peter-ZS1JX and he's continually on 7.001 Mhz. I do the same thing for SSB contacts. I like and use the bottom of the band edges. Just go to the lowest safe frequency that your class of license permits you to do so. On SSB I stay at least 3Khz from the band's edge to be safe and comply. On CW I stay 1 to 2KHZ from the band's edge. I share this with you folks because it has really worked for me over the decades in working DX. Just food 4 thought. Another thing I do and have done 4 a very long time is to list the DX station I've worked on the DX Summit so other Qrper's get an opportunity to listen and hopefully work the Dx station I listed. I suggest that ALL Qrp stations list the DX they have worked on one of the DX clusters to help other Qrpers. Again, just some food 4 thought.
Best regards with many 72....73.
Don sr. -- WA2TPU/Qrp --


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: AF5DN on April 07, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
Sometimes you feel like a nut… sometimes you don’t


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WG5G on April 11, 2014, 10:12:33 AM
Hello Don & Larry,

Here, 99% of all qso's are from pouncing, much easier than hoping someone will hear your
cq. Do remember when I was a novice, Iwas still writing each letter as the station was sending, so one day I am calling cq on the 15 mtr band, so I  a 6 land station answer my cq, he sends qth p e a r l   h a r b o r,  Hi. Boy, what a thrill, he was as excited as I was when he found out I was qrp, anyway as you guys know QRP FOREVER 72 Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: F8WBD on April 11, 2014, 09:13:34 PM
If I am running my OHR100A (20M) at 3 or 4 watts, I do both. If I am running my HW-8 one-watter, and it is the rig I use most of the time, I pounce. Heck I am not even heard on the RBN with the HW-8. Never-the-less, despite zero on the RBN, I worked a VK in Tasmania and Japan several times in the past few weeks. Antenna a Par EF-20.

Just a note. Don't presume that a negative response on the RBN means you not getting past your back-yard.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: NU4B on April 12, 2014, 03:29:22 AM
Hello Dick,
 FB on ur HW-8 and OHR-20. I take it u like ur EF-20. I was considering getting something like that to take with me when I visit my parents place. Do u have it a traditional horizontal position or do u have it as a sloper? It seems to be working well for you.
The HW-8 is a fine rig, although I haven't used mine in many years, since I built my HW-9. I remember my first DX Qs with the HW-8 in the old American novice band on 15 meters - an F6, OH2BAD, and a ZF station. I was so thrilled. I was using what I claimed to be a dipole, certainly it was subject to debate.  ;D

Dan, WG5G,
  How u doing buddy? Hope all is well. Just hanging in there looking for the next new one.  ;D ;D


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WG5G on April 13, 2014, 02:35:47 PM
Hello Larry,

Yes, doing abt the same here, hope fer better cdx this fall & maybe a chance at a new one, 73 Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W7AIT on April 14, 2014, 02:37:17 PM
POUNCE


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on April 18, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
Hi Larry and Dan.
Great 2 C we're ALL posting here once again. I try to check this site at least once a month now.
I hope you two are healthy and well...of course chasing DX.
Always my BEST to you folks.
Gud Dxing.
Sincere regards with many 72...73.
Don sr. -- WA2TPU/Qrp --


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WG5G on April 19, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Hello Don,

Yes, it's nice to see you & Larry on this forum, hope all is well with you, bands not too gud lately but enjoyed last nite on 20 mtrs. I heard YJ8CW  calling cq abt 0700z, he only gave me a 449 but said he was running 5 watts to a dipole!!! 20 mtrs was wide open even though the K index was 4, ok 73/72 fer now, Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: NU4B on April 20, 2014, 03:04:44 AM
Want to pounce? Want to call CQ? Want to work some DX?

Just reminding everybody the CQMM contest is this weekend. In case you didn't know, QRP stations are worth a premium of points for those that work us in this contest. This is a CW only worldwide contest. Here is a link to the rules (courtesy of the SM3CER web site):

http://www.cqmmdx.com/rules/

I know its Easter (Happy Easter everybody) but if you get a chance, have some fun and be the "wanted" DX.   ;D

And thanks to the CQMM sponsors for recognizing QRP operation in such a positive way in their contest.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W5HEH on April 20, 2014, 10:52:55 PM
I run 5watts , got my first SSB qso on 10M, this week, he was on a rag with the west indies. As soon as the West Indies op said QRT i pounced , no answer , so i moved down some called my QSO's Call and BAMM! He came back and asked where my QTH was , then he turned his Beam at me, nice fellow , only on hour away , i feel like i conquered the World !( i was not sure my mike or SSB was operational ! hihi) all these big numbers and DX stuff does not impress me, i am going portable soon with my Backpack ,Batts, homebrew antennas and my old ARgo556 in tote , will post on SOTA , and  4SQRP spotting site, and have a blast, fresh air here i come ! yep my goal is to loose those winter fat cells, less is more after all, hihi. Enjoy all , 73's and 2s, AJ  ;D


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: NY7Q on April 24, 2014, 05:58:22 AM
I am a traditionalist....I call CQ. But,,,I will answer another call if I hear it.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WB4TJH on July 21, 2014, 10:53:26 AM
Both, but pouncing is usually more productive, at least for me.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: VK3YE on October 17, 2014, 05:41:18 AM
I generally search & pounce where it's more competitive, eg 20m long haul SSB DX.

On the other hand if there's less competition eg 40m during the day I often call CQ, with good results even when pedestrian mobile SSB.

If everyone listens and no one calls no contacts get made.  So if conditions are good then I might occasionally call around 14.060 (CW).
Other times that calling can be successful is if QRO stations have just cleared a frequency and there's a window before the QRM gathers around and over it.

Calling CQ is an excellent test of how effective your QRP setup is - if you get responses it's effective, if not then there may be work to do.

You might enjoy this video put together a few months back of more QRP operating tips:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L9wBSsU7WA


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: N6PG on March 23, 2015, 10:44:17 PM
I spent the last couple of days trying to call CQ on 14.060. I had no luck whatsoever. I've had good luck, on the other hand, following on someone else's QSO. I'll spend more time tryin to call CQ, but so far... Discouraging.


I've also started to leave my main radio on the QRP watering hole for when someone calls. After I spent the last couple of days trying to get near the calling freq on my small wonders, I made a mental note to open up the filters on my TS-590 monitoring rig so I don't miss someone not right on frequency.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: AK0B on March 25, 2015, 08:24:10 PM
I enjoy working other qrp stations - I consider a signal weak signals qrp.  If I hear one called cq I will fine tune and if they didn't get an answer the next cq I will call them.

I do call CQ if the band is clear of signals.  I stay close to the standard qrp frequencies.  By close I consider plus or minus 5 KHz.

I always run qrp when answering a qrp station calling cq.   I also don't run over 5 watts on the qrp frequencies. I have worked a lot of DX stations using this method.

Stan AK0b



Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K8AXW on March 25, 2015, 09:06:40 PM
Another question from 2014. 


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W1JKA on March 26, 2015, 03:09:07 AM
Another question from 2014. 

Hang in there, next up will be "Is life to short for.......?


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on March 26, 2015, 08:28:19 AM

Quote from: K8AXW on Yesterday at 09:06:40 PM
Another question from 2014.

Hang in there, next up will be "Is life to short for.......?


Indeed, hang in there because  I can assure you folks that LIFE IS PERFECT FOR Qrp.

my BEST to all of you.
GD QRP DXING....
Don sr- WA2TPU/Qrp --
A TRUE ALL AMERICAN MADE 5 WATT OR LESS QRP GREEN STATION.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K8AXW on March 26, 2015, 09:24:31 AM
Jim:  You're no doubt right!  I'm having a problem understanding something.

Many of the QRP group are somewhat "militant" when the use of QRP is questioned.  However, for a facet of ham radio that seems to be so popular also seems to create the same "help" questions over and over. It seems to me that those with questions never read previous posts!

Considering the popularity of QRP, (I'm guessing it's popular.....it COULD be just a small group) there should be an almost constant barrage of new questions, ideas or suggestions for a better QRP experience.  For example, equipment mods, antenna efficiency or antenna construction that is different than the same ole same ole we read here on this forum, day after day. 

Then we have individuals picking up old questions from a year or more ago and injecting them to stir the pot again.  I guess they have their agenda and I can ignore that.  What the hell, we have 14,313 and several spots on 75m phone so why not here?  Same class of people.

I guess what I'm saying is that I simply don't understand this QRP group.  It seems to me that part of this group is militant/emotional and the others are brain dead.



Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W1JKA on March 26, 2015, 01:10:28 PM

" guess what I'm saying is that I simply don't understand this QRP group.  It seems to me that part of this group is militant/emotional and the others are brain dead."

You gotta get with the program, this phenomenon is not particular to any one group, guys like us are caught up in this "New Age" where the POD is I want it and I want it now, the old ethics ranging from research to savings is passé, this is pretty well proven by the advent of credit cards and the internet. Why do the work when someone else has done it and has the answer(s), as related within in this Topic and Amateur Radio License exams specifically.

As for the pot stirrers, these are the folks that have an abundance of shit on hand and need an easy way to get rid of the excess.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W1JKA on March 26, 2015, 01:29:57 PM

" guess what I'm saying is that I simply don't understand this QRP group.  It seems to me that part of this group is militant/emotional and the others are brain dead."

You gotta get with the program, this phenomenon is not particular to any one group, guys like us are caught up in this "New Age" where the POD is I want it and I want it now, the old ethics ranging from research to savings is passé, this is pretty well proven by the advent of credit cards and the internet. Why do the work when someone else has done it and has the answer(s), as related within this Topic and Amateur Radio License exams specifically.

As for the pot stirrers, these are the folks that have an abundance of shit on hand and need an easy way to get rid of the excess.



Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: N6PG on March 26, 2015, 03:25:02 PM
Another question from 2014.  

Is that a problem? I remembered this thread and revived it after spending a lot of time calling "CQ." over the last couple of days. This was the first time I tried calling "CQ" for an extended time, and I was surprised at how ineffective it was compared to trailing on someone's SK.  I saw no reason to start a new thread with the same title, but I still had something to contribute. This is a "hobby" and this "message board" supports discussion for the hobby. I'm surprised at how worked up people get over some of the simple benign posts.


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K8AXW on March 26, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
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I'm surprised at how worked up people get over some of the simple benign posts.

Scott:  I'm seldom "surprised" anymore!  As time goes on you develop a thick skin but........ it also has some thin spots. 




Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: F8WBD on March 27, 2015, 05:10:14 AM
I'm sure not "worked up".  Why not keep a non-violent thread open for an extended time period.

I, usually, pounce. Example, VK2GWK working a pile up. Got him this Friday morning on 20M CW. Running a conservative 3 watts from my TT 509. 10,805 miles from here.



Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: WA2TPU on March 27, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
 to --F8WBD

Richard.....GREAT POUNCE!! Nice  contact with the VK2 on 20 CW at 3watts.....

Keep those postings coming Richards. GREAT STUFF!

Always my BEST with many 72....73......GD DXing. ......Enjoy.

Don sr. -- WA2TPU/Qrp --


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: NU4B on March 28, 2015, 02:22:47 AM
Example, VK2GWK working a pile up. Got him this Friday morning on 20M CW. Running a conservative 3 watts from my TT 509. 10,805 miles from here.



Great mileage with 3 watts - congrats!!!!!


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: VK3YE on March 30, 2015, 02:33:23 AM
Is that a problem? I remembered this thread and revived it after spending a lot of time calling "CQ." over the last couple of days. This was the first time I tried calling "CQ" for an extended time, and I was surprised at how ineffective it was compared to trailing on someone's SK. 

You need an automatic CQ caller!  Eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSRVO6E-hYw


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: N6PG on March 30, 2015, 07:24:07 AM
Is that a problem? I remembered this thread and revived it after spending a lot of time calling "CQ." over the last couple of days. This was the first time I tried calling "CQ" for an extended time, and I was surprised at how ineffective it was compared to trailing on someone's SK. 

You need an automatic CQ caller!  Eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSRVO6E-hYw

That's cool. Great job....


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: K8AXW on March 30, 2015, 09:27:36 AM
"An automatic CQ caller?"  You gotta be kidding!  I always thought that working QRP was working QRP, which not only tested the ability of your small rig and antenna, whatever it is, to see who you can work.....plus testing your patience which also included how long you could stand pounding a key!

Many yeas ago, I read a beautifully written article in CQ magazine where a guy had developed an completely automatic ham station.  It worked and logged stations, all without human intervention.  He would go into the shack once a week and see who "he"worked during the week.

Is this the next step? 

BTW, this feeling also goes for the contesters. They're the worst for this "automatic" stuff!

 


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: W1JKA on March 30, 2015, 04:16:43 PM


 They're the worst for this "automatic" stuff!

Not necessarily, the greatest thing about this hobby is there is a niche for everybody, even for  the ones that want to automate themselves right out of it.

 


Title: RE: Do you call CQ or pounce?
Post by: N6PG on March 30, 2015, 08:51:29 PM
"An automatic CQ caller?"  You gotta be kidding!  I always thought that working QRP was working QRP, which not only tested the ability of your small rig and antenna, whatever it is, to see who you can work.....plus testing your patience which also included how long you could stand pounding a key!

Many yeas ago, I read a beautifully written article in CQ magazine where a guy had developed an completely automatic ham station.  It worked and logged stations, all without human intervention.  He would go into the shack once a week and see who "he"worked during the week.

Is this the next step?  

BTW, this feeling also goes for the contesters. They're the worst for this "automatic" stuff!

 

I have felt too guilty to even program the memory button on my palm paddle... But I'm thinking twice. If he got 4 contacts in 2 hours, I guess I'm going to need more patience. I'm not sure I have the stamina for 2 hours of manual keying of CW. I know with a straight key I wouldn't last 2 hours, but with my Keyer I could probably manage. If I program the memory, for sure. I might have to download the manual.

My wife isn't happy that I'm on eHam while on vacation....