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Title: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W6TGE on March 05, 2014, 04:30:40 PM
why are so many posts written as 1 long sentence there is no uppercase and no periods also there are no other punctuation marks i sometimes read these posts over and over just to see if i understand them these are in the forums and even reviews of equipment

OK, Rant is now over. I feel better now!  


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: KI6LZ on March 05, 2014, 04:59:46 PM
bad habit that can form if one does a lot of chat rooms


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K1CJS on March 06, 2014, 05:59:26 AM
That also reflects the standard of education in our country (US) today.  The basics aren't taught at all while all the exotic baloney that is thought to be actually needed in life is.  The simple and basic way of writing, with nouns, verbs and descriptives (adverbs, adjectives) and punctuation is glossed over--if even mentioned in classrooms these days.

How much you want to bet that if you mentioned the words noun, verb, adverb, adjective or punctuation, that over 80% of the general populace would even know what you're talking about!


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W1JKA on March 06, 2014, 06:07:19 AM
 Along with the NEW math the NEW grammar resulting from our dumbed down educational system in the last 30 years, not to mention the inability to make use of the Spelt Chex or Wurd Purrfic functions.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: N0YXB on March 06, 2014, 08:39:25 AM
not to mention the inability to make use of the Spelt Chex or Wurd Purrfic functions.

LOL!  That's a good one.  I've never understood why some don't use spell check.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: AC5UP on March 06, 2014, 09:32:08 AM
Horse shizzle.

The average Ham is 60+ years old. The alleged "New" math and "New" grammar doesn't apply to the geezers heard on the the air any more than it does to the geezers seen here.

Ignorance is a choice.  And curable.  In some cases what you're seeing is the effect of a stroke or dementia, in others the author doesn't know any better much less care if you can figure it out because they know what they meant and that's all that matters.  Fact is it doesn't take much to get a call sign or post on eHam and what you see is who we are. Like any other group of people for every one above average here's one below average.  Take a wild guess which one gets more attention.........   :P


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K2FOX on March 06, 2014, 09:34:02 AM
why are so many posts written as 1 long sentence there is no uppercase and no periods also there are no other punctuation marks i sometimes read these posts over and over just to see if i understand them these are in the forums and even reviews of equipment

OK, Rant is now over. I feel better now!  

so some people write better than others, what's the difference? why make a big deal out of it? as long as they get on the forums and participate, that's what it's for, right? nobody is perfect.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W1JKA on March 06, 2014, 10:13:12 AM
Re: A5CUP  reply #5

  Not quite "Horse Shizzel", but point taken on the rest of your post, that's why I began my post "Along with". I also left out another possible answer to the Topic, Non comprehension of the words alone and/or the inability to read between the lines.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: KI6LZ on March 06, 2014, 10:47:18 AM
Good writers picking on bad ones, good engineers picking on bad ones, conservatives picking on liberals, on and on and on. And they all have something/someone to blame. Brief I am, have not time to waste on this dribble.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W6TGE on March 06, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
I was only pointing out that the posts were very hard to read/understand. I was not saying that this was in any way unique to Ham Radio.

I also think that this "mode" of writing is very hard to turn off, so it is used when on the job. I hate it even when I call Customer Service and the rep keeps calling me DUDE! It just does not seem professional.



Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K1CJS on March 07, 2014, 05:53:32 AM
Yes, some of the wording and punctuation 'mistakes' could be attributed to medical issues with older hams, but the slide in the educational system began in the seventies and has accelerated since then.  Also, there is the issue of public school systems versus private or parochial schools.  It was well known even back in the sixties that the private schools concentrated on the fundamentals more than public school systems did.

It's too bad that the myopia of our government and some of the idiots that are our citizens stopped private schools from getting government funding, citing the 'separation of church and state' laws.  In the view of some, private schools did a much better job of basic education than any public school systems ever did.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: AC5UP on March 07, 2014, 08:38:52 AM
...and if eHam started cherry picking who posts in the forums and who doesn't the quality of the forums might improve.

Some might say that has the potential of becoming a successful policy.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K7MEM on March 08, 2014, 03:47:03 AM
.., not to mention the inability to make use of the Spelt Chex or Wurd Purrfic functions.

It seems that a lot of users do use a spell checker. For me the spell checking is done by the web browser. So it's pretty much automatic, unless I disable it. But the spell checker doesn't help when someone uses the wrong word. It may be spelled correctly, but it doesn't mean the same thing.

why are so many posts written as 1 long sentence there is no uppercase and no periods also there are no other punctuation marks i sometimes read these posts over and over just to see if i understand them these are in the forums and even reviews of equipment

I agree. Posts like you describe are only partially read and easily misunderstood. If you have a question, you usually want someone to read and understand it. Same thing when your answering a question. But, we could argue this all day and it will still continue to happen.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: KI5WW on March 10, 2014, 09:09:43 AM
Good writers picking on bad ones, good engineers picking on bad ones, conservatives picking on liberals, on and on and on. And they all have something/someone to blame. Brief I am, have not time to waste on this dribble.
I want my Green Eggs and Ham!  (  Sorry, couldnt stop myself)



Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: KI6LZ on March 10, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
A+ for addition.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: NK7Z on March 11, 2014, 09:10:28 AM
why are so many posts written as 1 long sentence there is no uppercase and no periods also there are no other punctuation marks i sometimes read these posts over and over just to see if i understand them these are in the forums and even reviews of equipment

OK, Rant is now over. I feel better now!  

For the same reason people don't use caps at the beginning of a sentence, commas in the where needed in a sentence, and periods at the end of a sentence!  :)

Brought to you by the "Department of redundancy department."


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W6TGE on March 11, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
why are so many posts written as 1 long sentence there is no uppercase and no periods also there are no other punctuation marks i sometimes read these posts over and over just to see if i understand them these are in the forums and even reviews of equipment

OK, Rant is now over. I feel better now!  

For the same reason people don't use caps at the beginning of a sentence, commas in the where needed in a sentence, and periods at the end of a sentence!  :)

Brought to you by the "Department of redundancy department."

Dave, I agree with you but they post in order to get their point across. To that extent they fail as it is very hard to read and many just go on.

Anyway, I am also Dave, but in Portland...trying to see if my SB221/ SB220 will still work after 17 years covered in a spare room.

BTW, nice web site.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K1CJS on March 12, 2014, 07:29:37 AM
One other thing--sometimes some of the posted comments are so lacking in proper spelling and punctuation that no machine based correction system helps.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: N4NLQ on March 16, 2014, 10:35:25 AM
The difficulty is not limited to just posting in forums.  Have you tried reading the websites of a daily metropolitan newspaper or TV newsroom lately?  Quite often the sentence structure makes it difficult, if not impossible, to determine who did what to whom.  Where did those overweight, aspirin-chugging, cigar-chomping editors go?

Allan - N4NLQ


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: WS3N on March 16, 2014, 04:24:08 PM
Where did those overweight, aspirin-chugging, cigar-chomping editors go?

Heart attacks?


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W7KDH on March 18, 2014, 09:54:52 AM
WOW! I have been studying for my ticket to your big shot,swollen head & ego's,rocket scientist,electronics engenier,im sure i spelled that one wrong an by the way im damn glad im "not" smart enough to be an electronics engienoorre "lmao" i studied on this great website for 10yrs before i had the confidence to take the test and yes i did not graduate high school and did "very" poorly in spelling. i will never be an "extru cass" HAM an i hope i never meet most of you big shot,big gun,pro-spellers!an thanks to the great people who 'DUMBED DOWN" the testing an did away with the code req. rrrrrr i wanna say soooo much more. my call is w7kdh ya a silly vanity call! lets have a QSO sometime but it damn sure wont be in the extruu cl'ASS' portion. 73 to those who dont spell to well! "|"


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W6TGE on March 18, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
Well, I laughed at that KDH.  :-)

I had not expected that this thread would go to 21 posts. All I wanted to point out was that it is hard to read some of these posts. It was not just a "hamb radio" thing.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W1JKA on March 18, 2014, 02:37:30 PM
Re: W6TGE

  Now I understand what you were reefering too in your tropic.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K1CJS on March 19, 2014, 04:27:36 AM
The last thing I'm going to say about this subject is that there are people who honestly can't help it--but try to do their best, and then there are people who just don't give a d*mn whether or not anyone can read their drivel.  Most of the time you can tell the difference--just like the 'KDH post which was obviously done deliberately.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W7KDH on March 19, 2014, 01:27:46 PM
me again. when i saw the 1st ham shack i ever saw and stared skyward from the base of the first tower i had the privilege 2 visit by a awesome elmer named Harry-K7HK,i was hooked! he was a busy man and he gave me a old extra class manual and the current "look who's talking" and i cant spell great and i still cant add resisters in parallel but i read those 2 books cover 2 cover a few times over a "10yr period and studied here on eham taking practice exams for many yrs,not having confidence 2 try the test. yes it was "extremely easy" and honestly i do wish it were a little harder and maybee failed once just 2 have a little more pride as all the "big time extras" have but it's just a hobby remember? i payed $50.00 for the new ARRL antenna book and i tell ya i can build any antenna i want to now so i got it goin on and i did it all myself! now i will pay it forward and help some poor kid who cant spell or learn math because their isnt understanding people or people who "have the time" to teach a kid that didnt do well in school. nothing i could have learned in school would have help me pass that "dumbed down" test. allways remember the Amateur code of-Considerate,Loyal,Progressive,Friendly,Balanced,Patriotic. an dont bully people who cant satisfy your idea of "punctuation and spelling" makes you "COOL" AND A "REAL HAM"... "|" 73 ken.




Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: KI6LZ on March 19, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
Easy to read, nice and terse. Better than the 10 paragraph junk I see from time to time.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: W7KDH on March 20, 2014, 11:44:24 AM
This is meant 4 "AC5UP" im sorry but your comment about site cop's "cherry picken" post"s for the poor spellers an who ever you meant and im sure you had more individuals im mind,and probably all hams who im sure would be offended by your drivel. you "created a frankenstein" remember that comment yrs ago? how about "puh-leeze",perfecto-mundo",immaculate reception",worthy of the vatican" WOW cool words!!!! have u been on the radio today or just hunkered down at the key board dreaming up withered ham wit? thanks 2 u in learning 2 spell better! jump on 20M so i can "NOT" have an miss spelled QSO. 73,QSY,QRV,QST,QRP,QRM,QRM ALL IMHO lazy "CW" spelling that i will never use because i would actually feel like a child doing so. but i do not mean any disrespect to all the great "CW" op's. i would like 2 learn but it's really hard 4 a dumbed down general class newby like me. i allmost feel like selling my brand new FT-897d after spending 2 much time in the forums reading some of the ways hams put down new hams an assume so many are stupid chicken band cber's. i bet most cut ur teeth on cb and are now ashamed 2 admit it. i been around the block in hobby's and i just hope Amateur Radio treats me right. im done an sorry if i was offensive! 73 ken "|"             


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: AC5UP on March 22, 2014, 05:01:31 AM
Could you repeat that in English?

BTW: The comment you're referring to was in response to the concept of private schools being more capable. Private schools routinely decline low achievers and those with special needs. Public schools don't have that luxury so any comparison between the two based on average test scores or college admissions will need to be adjusted for the bias.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K1CJS on March 22, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
...BTW: The comment you're referring to was in response to the concept of private schools being more capable. Private schools routinely decline low achievers and those with special needs. Public schools don't have that luxury so any comparison between the two based on average test scores or college admissions will need to be adjusted for the bias.

Could be true in some cases, but years ago some private schools run by catholic churches did not 'decline' low achievers.  The nuns back then paid more attention to those who couldn't pick up on things as well as others.  Sometimes the student would be taken out of class and given a more intense lesson to 'drill' the materials into their heads.

They also had interesting incentives for those who didn't want to study or work--such as a ruler applied across the knuckles or a smack on the back of the head.  Being shamed in front of your classmates was also used--and it worked.  

There was none of the baloney that exists these days of students rights.  Back then the students had only one--the right to be taught and to learn.  Today, if a teacher looks at a student in an odd way, the teacher is the one in trouble!


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: AC5UP on March 22, 2014, 11:10:39 AM
Today might not be the best time to comment on student rights, especially in the context of parochial education...

http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-names-former-victim-child-abuse-commission-173143966.html

I agree with you in general but with a reminder the pendulum of abuse can swing in either direction. From Father McFeely to this piece of absurdity:

http://wonkette.com/544627/sixth-grade-virginia-girl-gets-zero-toleranced-for-saving-classmate-from-cutting-himself

Rules are Rules and common sense does vary with perspective, but I say it's still true that absolute power corrupts absolutely.


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K1CJS on March 23, 2014, 05:49:22 AM
I'll agree with your view on that 'piece of absurdity' as you said, and I'll agree that that pendulum can swing, but as far as not commenting on student's rights, baloney.  If schools have to give every miscreant their so called rights, how about the rights of all the other students who want to get their education?  It seems that everyone wants to concentrate on the bad ones who disrupt--but to hell with the ones who are actually want to go to school to learn.

That is just as wrong--times the number of students there to actually learn--as the so called 'rights violation' of the one or two miscreants who ought to be put out of school anyway.  But what to we expect when our so called enlightened society has more regard for the rights of the criminals than for the rights of the victims?

Yes, I'm opinionated--and outspoken.  Someone has to be in this day and age.  I'm just sorry that my voice is such a small one, and one of a very few that is sick and tired of the crap going on--especially political correctness gone amok.  Take care and 73!  


Title: RE: Some posts so hard to read!!
Post by: K5TR on March 23, 2014, 07:36:58 AM
I think this tread has more than run it's course.