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Title: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1GMV on April 07, 2014, 01:18:12 PM
Just currious, has anyone set up a club table at a gun show?
Did you get any interest?

Do you guys think it would be worth while?


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4TTS on April 08, 2014, 07:42:16 PM
Just currious, has anyone set up a club table at a gun show?
Did you get any interest?

Do you guys think it would be worth while?

I think it would be much more interesting to set up a gun table at a hamfest.
It would probably generate a lot more interest than the other way around.

Don N4TTS


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K0OD on April 09, 2014, 07:34:43 AM
???  I guess you could point out to passers-by that a large HT could be used to club animals if ones gun fails.

next comment...


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K6CPO on April 09, 2014, 01:19:45 PM
I think for the good of ham radio we need to stay separated from the gun issue as much as possible.  


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: ND8K on April 09, 2014, 04:40:12 PM
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I think for the good of ham radio we need to stay separated from the gun issue as much as possible

You are way too late for that.  In researching radios, etc, I come across prepper talk all he time.  It's quite of mix of guns, food and radios.

More seriously, I caught a conversation on reloading the other night on my way  home from work. I was on an HT and couldn't hit the repeater, but I could listen. The conversation started with two guys and expanded to 6 over the course of about 20 minutes.

As primarily a bicyclist, I noticed that other cyclists tended to have the same secondary sports that I did. I liked guns long before I liked amateur radio. I would not be surprised at all if there are a HUGE number of hams that also love guns. In the more remote places of the world, those who depend on ham radio as their lifeline to the world are almost always in places or situations where a firearm is also a necessary item.

I think an amateur radio table at a gun show would see a LOT of activity.  You might try putting a hunting (yes, hunters use radios) or emergency preparedness spin on it.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KD7BCY on April 10, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
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I think for the good of ham radio we need to stay separated from the gun issue as much as possible

You are way too late for that.  In researching radios, etc, I come across prepper talk all he time.  It's quite of mix of guns, food and radios. 

Yup. I've met a lot of gun people via ham radio(not something that gets talked about on the air much, but discussions wander much farther at club meetings and events), and a lot of ham radio people through gun forums(both local and national, ar15.com even has a very active ham radio sub-forum now) and events.

I agree that a radio table at a gun show would probably get a lot of attention. The problem here, is that it is after all a gun show... And you end up with some pretty nutty people there, of all varieties. And a good portion of them are just going to be asking stupid questions like how do I attach an amplifier to an FRS radio, or how do I get on police frequencies, or going nuts about wanting encryption boards in their radios for secure militia comms... But it is certainly an opportunity to educate those that are willing to learn, and maybe get some new people licensed. Plus, you'll get all the beef jerky, beanie babies, and fake SEAL team stories you can handle  :D


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K1CJS on April 11, 2014, 05:17:16 AM
One of the clubs I used to belong to had a gun club nearby--within a mile.  Many club members were also members of the gun club as well.  As to not mixing ham radio with guns, too late!  Quite a few people who use ham radio are of the mind that it's something that may be necessary when and if our level of civilization collapses--an idea that members of gun clubs also subscribe to. 

IMO, trying to promote the ideas that guns are evil and should be banned is just as silly as promoting the idea that ham radio is silly and towers and antennas should be banned.  Both have their detractors and supporters, both are here to stay, and neither will be gotten rid of easily. 


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KD5GR on April 16, 2014, 07:36:03 PM
Ham radio, guns and flying seem to draw from the same pool of folks.  I know a lot of guys who are into all three.  In fact, I know far more hams who are also own and use guns than those who do not.

As for separating ham radio from the "gun issue," not only is it too late, it's unwise.  There are roughly 750,000 licensed hams in the U.S.; 5+ million NRA Members and growing and 150 - 200 million gun owners. (The 85 million estimates thrown around are grossly inaccurate because so many people won't answer nosy survey questions about guns as they did years ago.)  People who join the NRA to protect Second Amendment rights tend to be the same type of folks who get involved in other organizations to protect other rights and privileges.  They join the AOPA to protect general aviation and ARRL to protect ham radio to name just two.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm an NRA Life Member and I've been on the NRA Board of Directors since 2001 having just been reelected for another 3-year term.

Chas.




Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KI6LZ on April 16, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
Only if they serve beer there.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KE5JDJ on April 27, 2014, 05:17:54 AM
Let's see now....W1AW.  Who was that guy who had the call sign first....maybe someone here can remember the name?  

I do remember that fellow who had that call sign invented something called a silencer and his dad invented the first functioning machine gun.  

In the latter stages the man was a truly great ham....the father of Ham radio..would that be pretentious?

I can't believe the name escapes me.  

Anyway...I'm really glad he patented suppressors.  They make shooting more pleasant and I'm really happy he did the ham radio thing too.  I enjoy both.

I think it's possible that guns are in ham radio's DNA.  

My thoughts on staying away from the "gun issue".  No.

KD5GR & N1GMV have you ever been to the Wannamacher's Gun Show ( http://www.tulsaarmsshow.com/home.html ) in Tulsa?  Eleven air-conditioned acres of guns....I'm thinking special event station this November.  I got to meet Wayne LaPierre there, Jim Supica, Larry Potterfield, etc. and even managed to sneak in on American Rifleman's this old gun with a  Colt Buntline Scout.  Gee, I wish a ham table at a gun show had been my idea; hats off to you N1GMV.  Heck special event stations...we have the IDPA nationals here in September and then there is OFASTS in June and that would make for some really cool cards to send out.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K3NB on May 04, 2014, 06:34:54 PM
I think for the good of ham radio we need to stay separated from the gun issue as much as possible.  

The irony of the father of ham radio being the inventor of the silencer is deafening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Percy_Maxim


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K1CJS on May 05, 2014, 06:47:09 AM
I think for the good of ham radio we need to stay separated from the gun issue as much as possible.  

What I said before--

...As to not mixing ham radio with guns, too late! ...


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4LIX on May 09, 2014, 11:47:06 AM
If you think swap tables are expensive at HamFests, wait until you go to get one at a gun or coin show - average 6 ft or 8 ft table will be $100 or more!!


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KU7PDX on May 12, 2014, 02:50:47 PM
They usually have discounts for non-sales tables - like organizations and non-profits.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KH6DC on May 12, 2014, 04:23:13 PM
Just currious, has anyone set up a club table at a gun show?
Did you get any interest?

Do you guys think it would be worth while?

Haven't done or seen it before but if you did set one up, I would stop by and see what's up.  Same if you set up a gun table at a hamvention.

73, KH6DC


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: WB4M on May 20, 2014, 12:51:33 PM
I agree with ND8K, too late.   I've seen ads while surfing the internet promoting Pactor emails over ham frequencies to replace downed cellphones and linelines.  Also some guy advising people to buy ham radios and learn to used them even if they don't have a license.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W7WQ on May 23, 2014, 02:34:33 PM
You've never heard of a "big gun" station?


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KA5PIU on June 09, 2014, 01:36:57 AM
Hello.

Aviation, Guns, Politics, Radio.
That is about all that I hear on the air around here.
Most if not all of my friends are General Aviation, have their favorite gun, are Republican,and at least a General on radio.
A fair number work in Trucking and almost all have been in the military.
I am the exception to the rule.
I fly a wing pack, kind of like an ultralight, but actual flight controls,think smaller pistols are where it is at, support Willie Nelson, but am not a Democrat or Republican, and was a Novice for 30+ years.
But, I am holding out for the "Radio Gun".
Thank you.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K8QV on June 17, 2014, 10:51:39 AM
I think it would go over very well with hams, if not the general public. "God, Guns, Glenn Beck and Doughnuts" fits most ham profiles. Perhaps they could all be combined somehow on one table.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KV7W on June 18, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
I noticed a few vendors selling gun stuff at the last swap meet I went to. Just in addition to the regular ham stuff - one table had a few holsters, another was selling rounds. The rounds went pretty fast. People are reading this thread.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W5HEH on July 11, 2014, 08:28:29 PM
Most American Hams are Patriots and Patriots are not afraid of protecting themselves period. We live in a Rural Area and our Sheriff told us it would take 30-45 mins to get to us to help and is glad we can protect ourselves . We both came from Metro Cities and really enjoy a quieter lifestyle . Gun or Ham promotion,Tables at Oklahoma , Arkansas , Wyoming , Montana , and you know where i am taking this , you will have a lot of interest setting up Ham Radio HTs plus small Rigs for Mobile/Portable or Go-Bags ,and remote Hunting, or Hiking,  we all think and even mention to others about , "well if the cell towers go down , how will you get word to Family and Friends?",, Amateur Radio will make it happen . Boy Scouts learn to fire rifles and clean them and have Badges for Ham Radio . It goes together well . Think how many Women are learning to fire arms, we need to market to them as well . But never mind , i hear too many on the Bands compared to the 60s ! hihi.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W5HEH on July 13, 2014, 04:41:39 PM
HAd to add this site i noticed today -  http://gunsnradios.com/ :P


Most American Hams are Patriots and Patriots are not afraid of protecting themselves period. We live in a Rural Area and our Sheriff told us it would take 30-45 mins to get to us to help and is glad we can protect ourselves . We both came from Metro Cities and really enjoy a quieter lifestyle . Gun or Ham promotion,Tables at Oklahoma , Arkansas , Wyoming , Montana , and you know where i am taking this , you will have a lot of interest setting up Ham Radio HTs plus small Rigs for Mobile/Portable or Go-Bags ,and remote Hunting, or Hiking,  we all think and even mention to others about , "well if the cell towers go down , how will you get word to Family and Friends?",, Amateur Radio will make it happen . Boy Scouts learn to fire rifles and clean them and have Badges for Ham Radio . It goes together well . Think how many Women are learning to fire arms, we need to market to them as well . But never mind , i hear too many on the Bands compared to the 60s ! hihi.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4RUM on July 13, 2014, 04:51:30 PM
Have we really become a hobby of crazy right-wingers?


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4UM on July 14, 2014, 07:18:12 AM
K4RUM - "Have we really become a hobby of crazy right-wingers? "

There is a certain amount of redundancy in the above comment.  However, if you don't believe it's true, spend about 5 minutes listening to 75 meters.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4UM on July 14, 2014, 07:30:16 AM
KD5GR - "People who join the NRA to protect Second Amendment rights tend to be the same type of folks who get involved in other organizations to protect other rights and privileges." 

            Betcha not many belong to the American Civil Liberties Union!

KD5GR - "In the interest of full disclosure, I'm an NRA Life Member and I've been on the NRA Board of Directors since 2001 having just been reelected for another 3-year term."

          Never wudda guessed.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KD5GR on July 14, 2014, 04:49:50 PM
Have we really become a hobby of crazy right-wingers?

This coming from a "subject" of New York City?  This is hilarious!!

Chas.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KD5GR on July 14, 2014, 08:00:18 PM
KD5GR - "People who join the NRA to protect Second Amendment rights tend to be the same type of folks who get involved in other organizations to protect other rights and privileges." 

            Betcha not many belong to the American Civil Liberties Union!

Are you?

Chas.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W9FIB on July 15, 2014, 08:45:58 AM
How did we get from the comingling of 2 hobbies to whether you belong to the ACLU or not?

I don't own a gun. But I have a collection of Asian swords and knives. Do I need to be a member of something like the ACLU for that too? Can I have swords and be patriotic? Do I need to be politically on the left, or the right to own them?

Now after reading those questions, is it obvious how ridiculous this thread has become?


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4UM on July 15, 2014, 06:41:14 PM
KD5GR - "People who join the NRA to protect Second Amendment rights tend to be the same type of folks who get involved in other organizations to protect other rights and privileges." 

            Betcha not many belong to the American Civil Liberties Union!

Are you?

Chas.

Yep, I'm a member and a true believer... I tried to post a photo of my membership card (since 1982) but couldn't figure out how to do it.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KF7CG on July 16, 2014, 01:01:53 PM
Since when did the ACLU become anti-anything other than what they consider violations of The Constitution. They have even defended the right of a student to read the Holy Bible during a free reading assignment.

Radio is interesting in the fact that one is hard pressed to infer the politics of a person from whether or not they have an Amateur license and are active.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4RUM on July 18, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
KF7CG  --

How dare you hijack this thread by introducing an intelligent angle to this debate!


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: AC2EU on July 19, 2014, 07:19:32 AM
Oh but there is so much one can do with this thread!
My personal favorite was "big gun station" but we can add:

A new band: "Guns n' Radios"

Modern Shakespeare: " Kill all the Lids"

80 and 20 meter SSB: " It's my frequency- right or wrong"


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K6CPO on July 19, 2014, 09:22:18 AM
Oh but there is so much one can do with this thread!
My personal favorite was "big gun station" but we can add:

A new band: "Guns n' Radios"

Modern Shakespeare: " Kill all the Lids"

80 and 20 meter SSB: " It's my frequency- right or wrong"

Or "I'll give up my frequency when they pry my cold, dead fingers off the knob..."


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4UM on July 19, 2014, 12:14:11 PM
Or how bout... "Radios don't communicate with people, people communicate with people."

  or... remember that song... "Don't take your radios to town son, leave your radios at home."

    or...  to paraphrase Mae West..."Is that an HT in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"

      or, best of all,  how bout... "Guns - when all else fails!"





Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N9KX on July 29, 2014, 10:18:04 PM
I could see Barney Fife on 75 meters talking endlessly about the importance of keeping your weapon close at hand and modestly pointing out what an impeccable marksman he was  ;)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Andy_Griffith_Don_Knotts_1960.JPG/150px-Andy_Griffith_Don_Knotts_1960.JPG)


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: AF5DN on August 06, 2014, 06:16:58 AM
Just to get back to the original question.  I think Ham at a gun show would draw interest and possibly new members.  The Disaster Preparedness community (Preppers) is always looking for ways to improve their post SHTF communication skills.   Most Preppers are also very much into going to gun shows.   I have read RACES training that could have been taken right out of a Preppers hand book.
I would say go-for-it!


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W3WN on August 07, 2014, 10:22:26 AM
Just currious, has anyone set up a club table at a gun show?
Did you get any interest?

Do you guys think it would be worth while?
My club hasn't, but the Washington County (PA) club, WACOM, has had a club table & operating station set up at their local annual sportsman's show for years.

They've always done quite well with it, but I don't have all the details.  Check their website (www.wacomarc.org if I recall correctly) and see if you can get a straight answer to your question(s) there.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W4FID on August 16, 2014, 05:27:55 AM
the gun table at a hamfest is a catchy idea but think it through first. Ham tables don't have involved legal issues for just their presence. Licensing and use -- yes -- but setting up a display even with actual gear no. However guns do. Know the state and local laws and requirements before you step into that arena.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1DVJ on August 23, 2014, 09:22:07 AM
I could see Barney Fife on 75 meters talking endlessly about the importance of keeping your weapon close at hand and modestly pointing out what an impeccable marksman he was  ;)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Andy_Griffith_Don_Knotts_1960.JPG/150px-Andy_Griffith_Don_Knotts_1960.JPG)
Just remember, Barney had to leave his bullet (singular) in his pocket!  

How many episodes do you remember Andy ever picking up a gun or having one in his hands.  I seem to recall only one.

Oh, and I have seen firearms accessories at hamfest.  And I know of one gun club that has a ham shack.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K0OD on August 27, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
How about encouraging kiddies to blast away on an Uzi as a way of getting them over to the radio table? Appeals to both girls and boys as we've seen recently.

9-year old girl:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11057775/Nine-year-old-American-girl-accidentally-kills-shooting-instructor-with-Uzi-submachine-gun.html

8-year old boy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxAJ8x3x8k


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K6CPO on August 27, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
How about encouraging kiddies to blast away on an Uzi as a way of getting them over to the radio table? Appeals to both girls and boys as we've seen recently.

9-year old girl:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11057775/Nine-year-old-American-girl-accidentally-kills-shooting-instructor-with-Uzi-submachine-gun.html

8-year old boy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxAJ8x3x8k

In light of these incidents, keeping ham radio separated from firearms as much as possible is only to our benefit.  Once the anti-gunners associate guns with ham radio, they're going to come after us as well. 


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1DVJ on August 27, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
I can think of a few hams that Barney would be a better model than...

As to guns, as with almost all aspects of life, there are going to be issues and problems.  The solution is not to hide guns from kids.  It's not to glamorize the gun culture.  Or especially the 'gangsta' culture with demanding respect for those that are least deserving of it.  Instead, teach kids about guns the right way.  Show them they can be just as dangerous as Dads radial arm saw if not operated correctly.  Show them that guns are nothing more than a tool except with a long reach.

Take away the mystique.  Show them the right way and safely.

Don't let kids be infected with hoplophobia that is prevalent in a lot of adults, but don't let them go the other extreme either.

My stepson was 'guns guns guns' at a young age.  I took him to the range and he fired just about everything.  He quickly decided guns were no big deal, and the only thing he was even slightly interested in was clay pidgeons.  

Like I said, take away the mystique, and teach them the right way, and safely.

Oh, my other two kids shoot.  My daughter loves shooting target with her pistol.  My son shoots everything, he's in the Marines.  But he plunked down serious scratch for a Benelli double barrel shotgun.  I guess he gets the rest of his shooting fix from all the USMC toys.

Oh, and it goes without saying, as someone already said, be aware off local laws.  Some don't make sense, but they are still the law!


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W7HBP on September 13, 2014, 05:49:43 PM
Agreed, ham radio and law abiding gun owners seem to have the same DNA. Many hams I met are or were military and radio communications may have started in the service for them.

Maxim machine gun, silencer, proximity fuse, all great inventions from hams.

I might add, in addition to being an ARRL life member, QRZ life member I am also an NRA life member at the benefactor level.  ;) 


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K0OD on September 16, 2014, 10:53:28 PM
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Maxim machine gun, silencer, proximity fuse, all great inventions from hams

The Maxim gun was invented by Hiram Percy's (W1AW) father, Hiram Stevens Maxim. H.P. invented the silencer which probably came about because his pop tested his first machine guns in the basement of the family home. Wonder what that sounded like upstairs or at the neighbors'?

"all great inventions" ???


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KD6NIG on September 17, 2014, 10:09:19 AM
I'm guessing you could.  I've never heard of a gun show or a ham radio swapmeet having restrictions as to what can be sold, though I'm guessing depending on the state, you'd have to have the proper permits or have to comply with the law if you were selling actual guns or ammunition, depending on the local laws.

I've gone to a few swapmeets and similar where hams were selling cases for cell phones right alongside cases for HT's and stuff like that. 

There used to be a gun show in Sacramento at Cal Expo that was a Gun and....Doll show.  Dolls and sewing and household stuff in one half, guns and other stuff in the other half.  They are probably still doing it, haven't lived there for over 10 years. 

But I remember going and people selling all kinds of stuff.  I remember seeing a lot of jewelers and people selling crystals you hang in windows for decoration and stuff like that too...on the gun side.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W8ATA on September 29, 2014, 09:47:32 AM
Been going to hamfests for 57 years and gun shows for 50 years.  My conventional wisdom says keep them separate. Gun table at hamfest then . . .  then ham table at gun show . . . then you got two cans of worms open. Really no need for that smell.

73,
Russ


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1GMV on October 09, 2014, 09:31:31 AM
Wow, didn't realize there would be so much dialog on the subject. Perhaps I should clarify why I mentioned Gun Show.

My wife and I were at the Raleigh state fairgrounds and there was a HUGE line of people going to the gunshow. I though with that many middle aged attendees it would be a good opportunity to promote the hobby to those who never thought of Amateur Radio!

Since then it appears some of the lust of guns has dried up. But now I am seeing a huge interest in car shows so maybe there instead or as well. My point is, I think we need to try and reach out to the non-hams to let them see a simple station, give them an opportunity to operate it and provide them with literature on how they can become involved.

I have spoken with a few people around here and we are going to try this with Young Male and female ham ops to see how it works to get younger people into the hobby.  Special events, field day and other on-location operations are intended to bring attention to the hobby but it has been my observation that hams have been keeping to themselves and the stations are rather intimidating to the general public.

If anyone has any example of what they did at an outdoor amateur promotion activity please chime in. I would like to hear as many practical ideas as possible.  I was toying around the idea of a "Rest Stop" day where hams set up stations at rest areas and try and get as many visitors as possible to operate!


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1DVJ on October 09, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
I think it's great if ham radio is presented at other types of shows.  But, and this is important in my mind, it has to be 'low key'. 

At gun shows it's 'tech', but gun people tend to like machines, and guns are machines.  (I know of one gun club that has a ham station)  Then there's the preppers.

Car shows?  I'd be VERY careful and scream no if there was any possibility at all of people showing up with porcupines or whacker-mobiles. 

Other types of shows?  I think it's great, but remember to present it as low key hobby


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W4KVW on October 11, 2014, 09:11:02 PM
Lots of PREPPERS at Gun Shows & many of them already have radios but most do not have a License.You can search the internet & see there are a bunch of them but not sure how many are interested in the radio part other than needing communications gear should it be needed & it's a good chance it will & the last thing anyone will worry about is a License because the Government will much to busy with more important issues I'm sure!  ;)

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4ISR on October 23, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
A lot of preppers are getting the equipment, but depending on how severe their stance of the gov't is, a lot of them have it, know how to use it, many previously had a license and let it expire, but do not feel safe giving the gov't more of their personal info. With these new cheap HT models out there (which I have one), it is now cheap and easy for both the preppers to stock up, and to introduce a new method of communication to the younger generation who think texting is the only form of communication.
At the local gun shows, the local ARC's also show up. It is easy to spot them, just look for a few antennas in one area (and hope its not a bunch of CB antennas, which are still popular here). I haven't seen them with a table inside, but its usually 10-30 people hanging out chatting to one side of the parking lot, and have a sign on one of the larger vehicles with their club name.

Once you understand the issues we face today, guns and radios go hand in hand. If the preppers are right and it hits the fan anytime soon, those who try to distance hams from guns will be the ones in trouble. What good is a gun without a radio to know how close the danger lurks, and what good is a radio without a gun if that danger you heard on the airwaves shows up at your door?

So the question isn't how do we separate the 2, the real question is why isn't there more events combining the 2?


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N3AEG on October 24, 2014, 05:25:20 AM
KD5GR &

 in Tulsa?  Eleven air-conditioned acres of guns....I'm thinking special event station this November.  I got to meet Wayne LaPierre there, Jim Supica, Larry Potterfield, etc. and even managed to sneak in on American Rifleman's this old gun with a  Colt Buntline Scout.  Gee, I wish a ham table at a gun show had been my idea; hats off to you N1GMV.  Heck special event stations...we have the IDPA nationals here in September and then there is OFASTS in June and that would make for some really cool cards to send out.

I'm actually planning a trip to visit my sister in Dallas in November that's timed so I can go to the show in Tulsa.  It's hard to pass up a gun show of that size.  In Maryland, we're lucky if our gun shows have 20 tables of guns.  We do get a lot of takes of jewelry, socks and beef jerky.

Leo - N3AEG


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1DVJ on October 24, 2014, 07:09:41 AM
I read just last night that there is going to be a special event station at Gunsite coming up.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KD8GTP on October 24, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
Ham radio booth at a gun show, good idea.  And how about an ARES booth as well.  Mix guns, radios, and ARES and you have the making of an........ American Wacker  ;D


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4ISR on October 25, 2014, 03:04:47 PM
Ham radio booth at a gun show, good idea.  And how about an ARES booth as well.  Mix guns, radios, and ARES and you have the making of an........ American Wacker  ;D

ARES/RACES is perfect for this... Radio is faster than a gunman... and if it hits the fan it makes perfect sense.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K6CPO on October 26, 2014, 09:41:54 AM
With the current attitudes regarding guns in this country, it would be best for ham radio if we kept our distance.  If individual hams want to have guns, fine, but organizationally we should keep ourselves aloof.  The last thing we need is to be inextricably linked with the pro-gun movement...


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1DVJ on October 26, 2014, 10:45:57 AM
While I can see some concern about the image of guns, does that mean to ignore them?  Come on, if anything, I think hams appreciate the 'machinery' of guns more than would be the norm of the average population.  While there will always be hoplophobes, that doesn't mean you have to fear offending their sensibilities.



Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W8AAZ on November 04, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
I was browsing a gun show once and a guy had a table with scattered holsters, firearms related items, and a couple of big vintage glass transmitting tubes.  He said he brought them to see if there was interest as he had inherited them and had a lot more back home.  I never did get a chance to hook up and get to see what else he had.  I guess you can try showing off ham radio at any sort of reasonable venue where a lot of potential interested parties might show up.  Model train show. County fair. Boat show. Woodworkers convention. School science fair. Gun show. Arts and crafts show. Octoberfest.  Street festival. Car show. Field day. Etc.  Lord knows, I never see public demos of ham radio anywhere.  Except hamfests.  We preach to the choir.   Maybe the members that find the thought of a gun show too scary(all those guns just lying there, waiting to go off!) can stay home and let only the brave venture inside. 


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4TTS on November 04, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
<snip> The last thing we need is to be inextricably linked with the pro-gun movement...

Just because some people are freaked out about the mention or sight of a gun shouldn't dictate to the rest of us what we should or shouldn't do.
My guns have never hurt anything other than a target at the range. Folks need to chill out. Firearms are just another hobby. It's like golf only louder.

You can use a hammer to off another human being but I don't see people spazzing out over hardware stores.

Jeeze, how about a little perspective.

Don N4TTS


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W4KVW on November 06, 2014, 11:25:30 AM
Well I like Guns & I like Ham Radio & make use of both.I run a Kilowatt on all of the HF Bands & 6 meters with nice yagi antennas so that I'm at least a medium sized Gun on the air when I'm on & can work anyone the Big Guns can & usually get the same signal report as them. Guns come in many types so I guess I'm a medium sized Gun on the air with many Guns of many sizes & calibers but they are all fun & have a place when used properly & after 30 years in State Law Enforcement I've had plenty of training in their proper use & handling. ;D   ;)   :D  :)

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: AA4HA on November 06, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
I set up a gun club and ham radio club table at our local zombie convention.

Lots of interest.

The rest of the convention center, kinda dead.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1DVJ on November 06, 2014, 12:03:56 PM
You can use a hammer to off another human being but I don't see people spazzing out over hardware stores.

Jeeze, how about a little perspective.

Don N4TTS
Just remember, you can be arrested in Philladelphia (well, you USED to be subject to arrest) for having a baseball bat in your car.  Unless you had other baseball equipment as well.

Same logic as to why truckers back in the 70's took hammer handles and 'pressed on' a few inches of pipe, then used a wood burning tool to burn "Tire Checker" into the wood.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KB2FCV on December 11, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
Plus, you'll get all the beef jerky, beanie babies, and fake SEAL team stories you can handle  :D

Beanie babies? At a gun show ???


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N1GMV on December 18, 2014, 07:41:34 AM
I set up a gun club and ham radio club table at our local zombie convention.

Lots of interest.

The rest of the convention center, kinda dead.

Now that's pretty funny!  ;D


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4WGE on December 18, 2014, 08:13:18 AM
<snip> The last thing we need is to be inextricably linked with the pro-gun movement...
Firearms are just another hobby. It's like golf only louder.

Golf was too frustrating for me so I took up skeet...


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K9MHZ on December 28, 2014, 03:27:02 PM
With the current attitudes regarding guns in this country, it would be best for ham radio if we kept our distance.  If individual hams want to have guns, fine, but organizationally we should keep ourselves aloof.  The last thing we need is to be inextricably linked with the pro-gun movement...

Um, I think you've made your obviously west coast left wing point several times already.



Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KJ4RWH on December 29, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
I think a Ham table at a Gun Show would be a good fit. Lot's of guys (and gals) have several hobbies and in my case I enjoy Target Shooting in the summer and increase my time in the shack when it turns cold outside. Places to shoot are becoming scarce too. Last time I drove out to the dam spill-way I'm pretty sure I saw some men in Ghillie suits hiding in the brush, waiting for my return. At least at my home shack I can use my switchable phased array to keep them guessing where I am. ;)


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K6CPO on December 29, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
With the current attitudes regarding guns in this country, it would be best for ham radio if we kept our distance.  If individual hams want to have guns, fine, but organizationally we should keep ourselves aloof.  The last thing we need is to be inextricably linked with the pro-gun movement...

Um, I think you've made your obviously west coast left wing point several times already.



I am not anti-gun.  I am not left wing.  If someone wants to own a firearm that's fine with me.  I just think we need to keep ham radio and gun ownership as two separate hobbies.  If the anti-gunners, like some of my eastern relatives, starting associating ham radio and firearms ownership, it can't bode well for us as hams.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: K4ISR on December 30, 2014, 08:04:25 AM


I am not anti-gun.  I am not left wing.  If someone wants to own a firearm that's fine with me.  I just think we need to keep ham radio and gun ownership as two separate hobbies.  If the anti-gunners, like some of my eastern relatives, starting associating ham radio and firearms ownership, it can't bode well for us as hams.

If anything they go hand in hand...

Most hunters I know of carry a handheld radio to communicate. Don't want to be dragging the days kill back to the truck and have a buddy pop off a round at/in you because he saw the antlers. If you all had radios, he could speak up asking where you are or you could say "100yds from the truck" so they know to watch for you. In my area the military reservation "strongly suggests" 2 way radios for hunting parties.

Most concealed carry people I know have or are interested in ham radio, because something comes along where one is needed, you can be sure the other will be needed too.

Most competition shooters I know (and I know a dozen or so) have the license or are interested in ham radio.

So almost every armed group has a vested interest in one way or another to be licensed hams, and most licensed hams SHOULD have a vested interest in firearms. Your argument falls along the lines of these liberals who think there is no need for the 2nd Amendment, but are completely ignorant of the fact that if the 2nd falls, the rest fall shortly after. The reason we have the right to bear arms, is because of the time when they try to come and say we do not.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W9FIB on December 30, 2014, 08:01:46 PM
Using the associative logic between guns and HR, maybe we need to hide from other things too.

Maybe HR should stay away from aviation since airplanes took down the towers and part of the Pentagon.

Maybe HR should stay away from balloon rallies cause balloons could be used to drop bombs.

Maybe HR should stay away from car shows since cars are used in car bombings.

Maybe HR should stay away from any kind of hunting because it is cruel to animals.

Yes these are fairly stupid examples. But based purely on the logic that HR should stay away from gun enthusiasts because we don't want to be linked to "those people", the examples are just as viable. And I picked specific things that many OPs have as another hobby.

And that is why the logic fails. Just because a small amount of people can pervert otherwise common and legal hobbies does not mean we should reject all who enjoy the other hobbies. Absurd examples really do disprove absurd logic.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KB6YH on January 06, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
The Constitution is for everybody. The ACLU defends the Constitution. The ACLU has defended both the Right and the Left.

 



Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KQ0J on January 20, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Just an interesting note - a fellow ham near me hosted a swap meet last week and did a quiet one on one poll of all the attendees.  Out of 24 attendees, 8 were carrying a concealed handgun.  Semi rural location.. It appears to be a common interest with a lot of hams I know.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4TTS on January 20, 2015, 07:53:00 PM
<snip> It appears to be a common interest with a lot of hams I know.

It really is, more than some would think.

I met several of my long time ham radio friends, who all drove significant distances, at a gun show last weekend.
We all had a great time and most brought home yet another addition to their collection.
Shooting is fun and relaxing. Some folks don't understand firearms are just another machine. They don't have any ability to act on their own.

Any negative connotation comes from network news stories shoving the sick exploits of mentally ill people down the collective throats of the American public in an attempt to further a government disarmament agenda.

If you want to get people on a bandwagon, let's move to disassociate ham radio from mentally ill people. Or would that take too many out of our ranks?

Don N4TTS


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KC2QYM on March 03, 2015, 07:34:31 AM
I receive QST and the NRA's American Rifleman magazine on or about the same day each month.  I always have a problem deciding which one to read first.  I figure as a ham I can exercise my first amendment rights on the air and a firearms owner I can exercise my second amendment rights by owning and bearing.  There's a reason why our founding fathers considered these as the primary elements of our constitution.  There's a reason why our country is unique so if you don't believe in the second amendment at all it's your right not to; just don't deny my right to it's intent.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KF5THB on March 04, 2015, 09:30:31 AM
Now, you raised an interesting point.  Given the fact that our "Founding Fathers" instituted the 2nd Amendment, ie made it a fundamental right rather than merely a privilege, as a result of their perception that the right to bear arms was required to insure basic freedom from overreaching government, how would they have characterized access to the RF spectrum?  Of course it wasn't understood at the time so my question is purely speculative.  Clearly, the present status is that it is merely a privilege subject to the whims of the current administration and of course the collective or precedential doctrine of adhering to previous decisions.  Admittedly, firearms and Radio Spectrum are quite different and RF is used in our everyday lives like air or water, so the suggestion that there could be a comparison is quite a stretch.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: W3WN on March 13, 2015, 08:31:37 AM
I set up a gun club and ham radio club table at our local zombie convention.

Lots of interest.

The rest of the convention center, kinda dead.
Glad to hear that you took a bite out of the crowd.  Just hope they weren't all a bunch of stiffs.

Really takes some brains to do that.  And some guts, as well.


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KC5YN on April 06, 2015, 10:52:51 AM

You know, NRA could have easily stood for "National Radio Association", just sayin'



Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KF7VXA on May 12, 2015, 04:36:12 PM
From what I have observed, both Amateur Radio operators and Gun owners to some degree are all Preppers.
Does that mean every radio operator or gun owner has a years supply of food and 5000 rounds of ammo for every gun, no.

What it does mean is that to a large degree, the two are a part of being prepared. Most Hams know if there is a disaster or emergency that they may not be able to get food, water and other necessities for a couple weeks, sometimes longer.

Both groups also know that in any major disaster, for the first several days to two weeks, they are on their own as to self protection.

Not every Ham thinks of these things. Some just enjoy chasing DX or like the technical part of radio, but as a whole, most of us would qualify as a "Prepper" on some level.

Seems whenever our group gets together, radio and guns are discussed. Not by all, but by the majority. And no, it's anything but anti gun talk.

I like the idea of ham gear at a gun show. Unlike what some have portrayed, the majority of people at a gun show are not off the deep end. Yes, you will see some, but you have extremists in any area of society.
Most are looking for a gun part to finish a project or a good deal on a firearm. Not much different than the ham looking for parts or a piece of radio gear. Many times it's looking for an old piece of gear that takes them back to other or better times. Much like the guy looking to find a copy of the first gun he ever owned.
We have hams who are extreme also.

John


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: KF7VXA on May 12, 2015, 04:56:19 PM
With the current attitudes regarding guns in this country, it would be best for ham radio if we kept our distance.  If individual hams want to have guns, fine, but organizationally we should keep ourselves aloof.  The last thing we need is to be inextricably linked with the pro-gun movement...

The current attitude you speak of is mainly in the media and ultra liberal parts of the country.

Just because you hear some talking head on PMS-MBC spouting lies about gun ownership does not mean that the rest of the country is drinking the Kool Aid.

Hate guns, fine, don't own one. Criminals love people like that. Do you have people protecting you like the big politicians and big money anti gunners ? I'm betting not. They hate guns, but would not leave home without a paid person being their body guard.

Well over 50% of all households have guns in their home. Far more have guns but won't admit it in a survey. I'm talking legal gun owners, not gang bangers.

As a retired LEO who worked his 20 in S. Kalifornia as well as worked 4 years in the Prison system, I have a much better understanding on why honest people should own and train with their firearms. If you have seen what I have, you'd either have a gun on you 100% of the time or within inches where legal to have or carry one.

John


Title: RE: Ham Club table at Gun Show?
Post by: N4TTS on May 12, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
<clip>If you have seen what I have, you'd either have a gun on you 100% of the time or within inches where legal to have or carry one.

John

++++1 John

Just like American Express, "I never leave home without it".
Not to mention I'm never home without it either.

Someone asks, "what are you afraid of"? My answer, "not a damn thing".

Better have it and not need it than need it and not have it...

Don N4TTS