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Title: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 24, 2014, 03:13:19 AM
Hello.

I sat down with a very famous CB'er in San Antonio.
He runs legal power into a legal antenna, it is just something like 30 decibels gain.
So, I asked, why no amateur radio?
So, he leads me back into his trophy room, and there, on the wall, is his ticket.
He explained that he was aware that I was a Novice for 30+ years and asked why was that?
I could not say a word.
Think about it, hams no longer build anything except for the elecraft snap together radio.
I play with SDR, nearly DC to daylight.
I can follow directions pretty much as well as anyone, the information is out there.
But, hams seem to be mentally challenged in this.
I know of several CB types, yes,they have their license, who feel that US hams are limited.
Now, CEPT says that US General on down is only a CEPT base.
Extra (Only) is intermediate.
I am not saying that this is an issue, it is an issue.
Now, think about this.
What is it going to take to fix this?
CEPT says that US Amateurs are "But a step up from CB".
Not my words, that is what they say.
And, I think the elecraft is a wonderful radio for what it is, I just wish there was a smaller knob version, or perhaps no knob, I would MUCH prefer a mouse.
Thank you.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W1JKA on June 24, 2014, 03:52:26 AM
Did I miss a question or some useful technical information in your post or is just another seed in your controversy garden?


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N6AJR on June 25, 2014, 08:50:25 AM
yea, what he said !


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K8AXW on June 25, 2014, 09:16:37 AM
I have no idea what he said because I have him "Ignored."  However, I suspect it's something to the effect, "Come smell the bait sucker!"



Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: WA7PRC on June 25, 2014, 09:44:24 AM
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I sat down with a very famous CB'er in San Antonio.
He runs legal power into a legal antenna, it is just something like 30 decibels gain.

30 dB =  X1000 power gain. That would presume his antenna is something on the order of a parabola, several wavelengths in diameter (at λ = 11m).  Even 20 dB gain is HUGE.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K4KYV on June 25, 2014, 10:08:01 AM
>>>Think about it, hams no longer build anything except for the elecraft snap together radio.>>>

Maybe you should join the AM community. You will run into a lot of homebrew rigs, everything from vintage vacuum tube equipment to class-E solid state... and a lot of modified commercially built too, including converted broadcast transmitters. AMers usually maintain and repair their own equipment, often out of necessity. But you  will find appliance operators there too.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: WB2WIK on June 25, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
Hello.

I sat down with a very famous CB'er in San Antonio.
He runs legal power into a legal antenna, it is just something like 30 decibels gain.

I'd say that's impossible.

Here's a well-optimized 7L yagi on a 45' boom for 28 MHz: http://m2inc.com/index.php?ax=commercial&pg=72

Installed for horizontal polarization above real earth, it can yield 17.6 dBi gain.  If installed vertically, it would be only about 12.4 dBi gain.

Assuming horizontal polarization, if you stacked four of these for 28 elements in a 35' square H-frame of 45' long Yagis, it could yield about 23 dBi gain (or about 18 dBi if installed vertically).  You'd need eight of them occupying a space of 105' high by 35' wide by 45' deep (over 165,000 cubic feet of "space") to achieve about 26 dBi gain.  That would also take one hell of a tower.



Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: NO2A on June 25, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
If you`d rather work 5 watts input to an am transmitter than go for it. Even as  a Novice op,I had more fun and worked my first dx,which never would have happened with cb.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K1CJS on June 25, 2014, 12:02:14 PM
I have no idea what he said because I have him "Ignored."  However, I suspect it's something to the effect, "Come smell the bait sucker!"

Ignored, ditto.  Last statement also.  Seems to be a pot stirrer, that's all.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N0SYA on June 25, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
I bet arecibo has zillion db gain on 11m.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: WA2ISE on June 25, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
I bet Arecibo has zillion db gain on 11m.

But it's pointing straight up.  It might help if someone on the ISS space station has a CB radio, but I doubt they'd have one...

One thing hams have over CBers is multiple slices of radio spectrum from just above the AM broadcast band to above where cell phones operate.  And the FCC likes us, for the most part we are well behaved. 



Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: M6GOM on June 25, 2014, 03:42:19 PM

Think about it, hams no longer build anything except for the elecraft snap together radio.

Speak for yourself. Many of my club build their own stuff as well.

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I know of several CB types, yes,they have their license, who feel that US hams are limited.


I can only assume they're entry level classes whose sole experience is 2m FM repeaters. There's so much to do in this hobby it is impossible for one person to do it in a lifetime. All I can say is if you think amateur radio is limited, especially in comparison to CB, you've not even tried looking.

The fact you believe he has an antenna with 30dB of gain tells us all we need to know about you. Have you ever got further than your local repeater?


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 25, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
Hello.

First off, I love AM Fone!
I have an old shipboard transmitter rated at 15 Thousand watts.
Second, no one said anything about a beam.
Want real gain? build a curtain wall of dipoles.
Remember the Russian woodpecker? a steerable curtain wall of dipoles.
6 dipoles on 11 meters does does something like 28 decibels.
Remember that the dipoles are the conical, and not 2 wires.
Study very early radar, the stuff prior to microwave and a dish.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K2OWK on June 25, 2014, 05:47:42 PM
How illegal was it to work skip on 11 meter CB band? Very illegal, That's why CB got the reputation it now has. A bunch of ham want-a-bees that break the law, because they can.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: AA4PB on June 25, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
"I have an old shipboard transmitter rated at 15 Thousand watts."

Isn't that a bit above the legal limit for ham radio  ;)


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: M6GOM on June 25, 2014, 07:18:21 PM

6 dipoles on 11 meters does does something like 28 decibels.

No they don't. The gain is not the sum of each individual antenna.
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Remember that the dipoles are the conical, and not 2 wires.
Then they're not dipoles are they? You may be talking about a cage dipole. It does not have 28dB of gain. Even DX Blaster, a maker of them, says on their website they don't even claim 12dB of gain. Cage dipoles have approximately 0.5dB gain more than a regular dipole according to a study done in AntenneX magazine. What cage dipoles do have is a far wider bandwidth than a regular dipole because all the elements are seen effectively as one big fat one.

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Study very early radar, the stuff prior to microwave and a dish.


They weren't dipoles.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're now starting to embarrass yourself. I would quit digging if I were you.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W9FIB on June 25, 2014, 07:31:31 PM

6 dipoles on 11 meters does does something like 28 decibels.

No they don't. The gain is not the sum of each individual antenna.
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Remember that the dipoles are the conical, and not 2 wires.
Then they're not dipoles are they? You may be talking about a cage dipole. It does not have 28dB of gain. Even DX Blaster, a maker of them, says on their website they don't even claim 12dB of gain. Cage dipoles have approximately 0.5dB gain more than a regular dipole according to a study done in AntenneX magazine. What cage dipoles do have is a far wider bandwidth than a regular dipole because all the elements are seen effectively as one big fat one.

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Study very early radar, the stuff prior to microwave and a dish.


They weren't dipoles.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're now starting to embarrass yourself. I would quit digging if I were you.

That is his specialty, to dig himself in. Don't waste your time, just put him on ignore. The fastest way to get rid of this idiot is to ignore him completely.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 25, 2014, 09:03:16 PM
Hello.

Take a look at the old Soviet OTH radar.
It indeed has well over 50 Decibel gain, and is what the Russians call conical dipoles.
The radar that detected the attack on Pearl Harbor was not a bunch of stacked dipoles?
The reason that the conical dipole array has so much gain is the fact that it acts as a steerable array.
The woodpecker is back, up and running.
And its signal gets swept from side to side.
One of the reasons the Russians knew a jamming signal was/is just that is the fact that is is detected in the sweeps as a fixed value signal from one point.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: AF5CC on June 25, 2014, 10:30:28 PM

He runs legal power into a legal antenna, it is just something like 30 decibels gain.


It probably does have 30DB gain over a brick.

John AF5CC


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 26, 2014, 12:04:05 AM
Hello.

The very first time I was it, I was amused.
The FCC rules, as written, only allow 4 watts out from a transmitter, each transmitter has to be type accepted.
External amplifiers are prohibited.
But, how hard is it to take the old Hy Gain "One Hander CB, rig, 6 trunk units to 1 control head?
This is 100% legal.
This requires very careful phase control to keep everything in sync.
The fact that someone actually did this has me impressed!
You have to think outside the box sometimes.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: NO2A on June 27, 2014, 08:13:53 AM
Who do you talk to when your 11m band isn`t open? (which is most of the time)Do you talk to friends down the street? This is totally absurd why a fellow ham has to tell another why cb sucks!


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K8AXW on June 27, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
2A:  You've been snagged! 


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N6AJR on June 27, 2014, 11:11:10 AM
The rules for CB used to state something like 5 watts input, 4 watts max output for power and also had a stipulation about not being able to make contacts of over 250 miles or some such. So any long distance "skip" is illegal . I too was a licensed CB'er way back when. For a little while in the early 1960's, CB was a pretty fun radio service.  But now not so much. I prefer ham radio these days ( as I have for the last 45 or 50 years.). To  each to his or her own, but please, no trolling. And how much is 30 db times 4 watts???


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W4KYR on June 27, 2014, 12:19:00 PM
 I think you will get more response on CB than on 2 meters on the interstate highways. Big rig drivers still use CB and if you are stuck in a traffic jam there is always a truck just up ahead who is able to see what is going on and report what is going on. Try getting information report on 146.520 (or even on a popular repeater).

From a standpoint of Ecomms, what better way is there than CB to find out what roads are closed, flooded out or iced up after some storm comes through and knocks out the grid? The truckers are the eyes and the ears of the road, they will be the first to know what is going on.

And during some extended power outage CB radio can be an inexpensive way for non hams around town to stay in touch with each other. Use the car battery for power.

I am still reminded by the reports of Hurricane Sandy in NY and NJ in 2012 where people had their cars flooded out, the cell towers stopped working and of course no one had power. Their cell phones were nothing but expensive plastic paper weights at that point.

One report I watched, the hurricane victims were actually asking the TV reporter for information as they had no way to seek out information. A couple of CB radios passed out around a couple of blocks could have kept some people informed.

Naturally Ham radio would have been the better choice, but we are talking about providing people a means of communicating with each other for next to nothing in cost with no licensing after some big emergency. These days one can find working CB radios from $10 and up on ebay.

CB radio still has a place and I think it should be utilized as a just yet another tool in the "Emergency communications tool box".  Have several CB radios ready to lend out in case of a disaster.

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Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W9FIB on June 28, 2014, 06:04:42 AM
I think you will get more response on CB than on 2 meters on the interstate highways. Big rig drivers still use CB and if you are stuck in a traffic jam there is always a truck just up ahead who is able to see what is going on and report what is going on. Try getting information report on 146.520 (or even on a popular repeater).

From a standpoint of Ecomms, what better way is there than CB to find out what roads are closed, flooded out or iced up after some storm comes through and knocks out the grid? The truckers are the eyes and the ears of the road, they will be the first to know what is going on.

And during some extended power outage CB radio can be an inexpensive way for non hams around town to stay in touch with each other. Use the car battery for power.

I am still reminded by the reports of Hurricane Sandy in NY and NJ in 2012 where people had their cars flooded out, the cell towers stopped working and of course no one had power. Their cell phones were nothing but expensive plastic paper weights at that point.

One report I watched, the hurricane victims were actually asking the TV reporter for information as they had no way to seek out information. A couple of CB radios passed out around a couple of blocks could have kept some people informed.

Naturally Ham radio would have been the better choice, but we are talking about providing people a means of communicating with each other for next to nothing in cost with no licensing after some big emergency. These days one can find working CB radios from $10 and up on ebay.

CB radio still has a place and I think it should be utilized as a just yet another tool in the "Emergency communications tool box".  Have several CB radios ready to lend out in case of a disaster.

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Actually so would a battery AM radio that can tune in the local news station. Far more accurate then 4Th hand info on CB. And most vehicles that travelled those highways long got off the road, so the eyes and ears were gone too.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K1CJS on June 28, 2014, 06:36:34 AM
I think you will get more response on CB than on 2 meters on the interstate highways. Big rig drivers still use CB and if you are stuck in a traffic jam there is always a truck just up ahead who is able to see what is going on and report what is going on. Try getting information report on 146.520 (or even on a popular repeater)....

Even that is going by the wayside.  With the newer GPS systems, you can get traffic reports that show you to get off a road and take an alternate route to avoid tie-ups and congestion.  CB is going by the wayside for that reason, and the only reason that some truckers still use CB rigs is yack with other truckers to keep themselves occupied while driving, or to get their door assignments at terminals and warehouses.  Even they use the GPS systems to get from point A to point B.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: M6GOM on June 28, 2014, 07:21:11 AM


I am still reminded by the reports of Hurricane Sandy in NY and NJ in 2012 where people had their cars flooded out, the cell towers stopped working and of course no one had power. Their cell phones were nothing but expensive plastic paper weights at that point.

So am I. Coming from a country that sees such events on an annual basis I found it incredulous the destruction that happened in what is supposed to be the world's leading country. I was absolutely gobsmacked when I read what the wind speeds were. We call that a winter storm here in the UK and other than the odd roof tile falling off, the odd 500 year old tree falling down and the odd 200 year old chimney stack giving up the ghost life continues as normal.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 28, 2014, 09:19:36 AM
Hello.

NYC is an electric city, and when the subway filled with water (underground) transportation for 80% of all New Yorkers was not working.
Than there were the fires, lack of gasoline, etc.
In short, the city quit working, it shorted out.
People who went with cellphones wholesale lost service as cell towers became submerged or they could find no place to recharge the handsets.
By the 4th day, getting food into the city started becoming a problem, normally done with trucks delivering to hunts point.
Than the truckers started to use the CB radios, GMRS radios, Sat Comms like the Qualcomm units.
Finally, the city had big trucks driving on actual city streets, making deliveries to schools and shelters.
Taxicabs who could not get gasoline and where over 300 were damaged in the flood, were very scarce.
The CB channels were flooded as well, but with traffic.
One of the hybrid truck chassis for the reefer units was being for its generator to power a school being used as a shelter.
And food was rotting, tons of it.
The stench was like something died, thousands of something died!
It took a few weeks to get things back to normal.
I went to a truck stop, got 300 gallons of fuel, returned to NYC, took the trash from BASF to the recycling center, and we pumped 200 gallons of fuel into a genset.
Returned to the truck stop, got 250 gallons, did the paperwork for fuel tax exemption and fuel cost reimbursement. and went to Ohio.
From there, Mr coffee, and a shipment of Coffee makers to Texas, and home.
I did see hams scurrying about, but stayed away.
At that point I decided that Emcomm was fantastic! a fantastic joke!
Yes, perhaps 20 miles on the CB with just a few blocks in the city.
2 miles on GMRS.
But sat comms work everywhere there is clear sky.
Cellphones were dead, everywhere.
I could send a text and it would not go anywhere until I left the area.
Yes, CB does have its use.
The cops and fire had working radios, but cellphones were dead.
We, the drivers, had all of our normal communications working, and GPS.
Everything was working, and we have the thermoelectric coolers filled with food, carry at least 20 gallons of water, and are prepared to stay in one place for a week self contained.



Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: WI8P on June 28, 2014, 10:19:55 AM


I am still reminded by the reports of Hurricane Sandy in NY and NJ in 2012 where people had their cars flooded out, the cell towers stopped working and of course no one had power. Their cell phones were nothing but expensive plastic paper weights at that point.

So am I. Coming from a country that sees such events on an annual basis I found it incredulous the destruction that happened in what is supposed to be the world's leading country. I was absolutely gobsmacked when I read what the wind speeds were. We call that a winter storm here in the UK and other than the odd roof tile falling off, the odd 500 year old tree falling down and the odd 200 year old chimney stack giving up the ghost life continues as normal.

You aren't taking into consideration a few things.  Take London and stretch it out along a stretch of your coast line where the land is a maximum of 10 feet above sea level (and a lot lower in many places), then hit it with a hurricane and the tidal surge that accompanied it, and you will have a far better understanding what this 'winter storm' was like and why it created the damage it caused.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: AF5CC on June 28, 2014, 01:05:10 PM
The rules for CB used to state something like 5 watts input, 4 watts max output for power and also had a stipulation about not being able to make contacts of over 250 miles or some such.

Suppose you work another CBer who is 100 miles east of you, but you do it using longpath?  Is that illegal?

John AF5CC


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 28, 2014, 04:32:32 PM
Hello.

The FCC could care less if you talked to a station from the short path, long path, or tried an intergalactic contact.
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/citizens-band-cb-service
You can call yourself Jesus Christ if you want to.
Nobody really cares what you do with it within reason.
GMRS is pretty much the same way.
Than, I pointed out 27.255 MHz, shared with CB, RC, and business.
Yes, under CB rules I can only operate 4 watts.
Under RC rules I can only operate 25 watts.
But under Business Radio Service I am limited to paltry 250 watts!
However, if I move up to 28 MHz, I can run just a touch over 1000 watts.
You see, THAT is what I find funny.
The very fact that I was able to even get a response to this CB vs ham thing going?
There was an other, now locked thread, where I talk about taking a junk large computer monitor apart and using the parts in Amateur service.
Some hams were asking about schematics and such, for a junk computer monitor or TV?
The spirit of Amateur Radio should be one of understanding electronics and international goodwill.
My willingness to take apart used consumer electronics has the first part covered.
And, if you ask the local hams, I primarily speak Spanish, but, if you are nice, I will speak English,that has the second part covered.
I find 160 meters, 11 meters, 10 meters, 6 meters, 2 meters, 440 and GMRS to my liking.
The cheap Chinese 10 meter radios are FCC type accepted under part 90 for business.
The cheap talkies are type accepted under parts 90 and part 95 as well as being legal for part 97.
But, a lot of people are missing the point.
What am I doing?
Am I out doing a contest or chewing the rag on some legal frequency they may never use?
Am I a good operator, showing courtesy by always asking if the frequency is in use?
May I make this simple, I strive to be the model operator, perfect in every way I can.
There are times I may not be perfect, but I try to listen and correct.
Now, listen to me on the air, as I pick frequencies that do not propagate will and run only as much power as needed.
I give my callsign as is required, when required.
CB operators as well as ham operators will tell you, I run a class act.
And that is my point, CB, ham, GMRS, it is all radio.
There is no excuse to be a sloppy and offensive operator.
As the saying goes, you never get a second chance to make a good impression.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W4KYR on June 28, 2014, 05:19:10 PM

 In an emergency it doesn't matter what method of communication one uses....As long as the message gets out, be it ham radio, cell phone, cb radio, tin cans and a string or smoke signals. There are millions of CB radios out there that could be pressed into use during an emergency. They cost next to nothing to buy or to use and anyone can use them. It is just a communications tool.
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Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: M6GOM on June 29, 2014, 03:16:39 AM

Yes, under CB rules I can only operate 4 watts.
Under RC rules I can only operate 25 watts.
But under Business Radio Service I am limited to paltry 250 watts!
However, if I move up to 28 MHz, I can run just a touch over 1000 watts.
You see, THAT is what I find funny.

But wuith CB, RC and BRS radio there is no requirement for any training. Anyone can buy a radio and just use it. In order to operate that 1000W as an amateur you have to take a recognised exam which tests your technical competency and ensures you have the knowledge to operate 1000W in a safe manner minimising interference you do cause and if you do cause interference that you have the knowledge to know how to test for it and rectify the problem.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 29, 2014, 04:30:49 AM
Hello.

Under business band rules or as a novice I can run "Only" 250 watts.
Clearly I am being sarcastic.
And, that is my point, why bother running CB illegal when I can move up 1 MHz and run 1000+ watts?  :P
On CB, I run 27.255 or 27.385 MHz 
On amateur Radio I am almost exclusive to 28.385 MHz
The reason is that 27.255 and 27.385 are shared business.
From 27.385 to 28.385 is exactly a 1 MHz hop.
From 4 watts to 250 watts (256) is 21 decibel gain.
From 250 watts to 1000 watts is (1024) 6 decibel gain.
.1 watt is (was) the legal license free maximum.
A CB radio does not need to be converted in any manner to operate 10 meters.
It can be a CB, and an Amateur Radio, at the same time.
The trick is a transverter, with a 1 MHz shift.
So, you see, CB and Amateur Radio are very close, so close that a transition can be very easy.
The question is one of getting people to want to transition.
There should be no CB vs Amateur Radio.
The FCC took 11 meters and created CB in 1958, long before a lot of hams were born.
But, there is this stupid rivalry.



Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K1CJS on June 29, 2014, 08:57:52 AM
Suppose you work another CBer who is 100 miles east of you, but you do it using longpath?  Is that illegal?


Yes.  The regs for CB also include a limit on distance.  I forget what it is, but I think it's something like 10 or 20 miles.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 29, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
Hello.

I posted the CB rules, there is no distance limit.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N6AJR on June 29, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
yes there is, or was, it was something like 255 miles which was 100 kilometers or such.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K7MH on June 29, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
It is 250 kilometers, about 150 miles plus change.



Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 29, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
Hello.

Now, the only rules are, you can talk to the aliens, but must see their green cards before inviting them to dinner!
Oh, and if you live near an airport make sure they understand the traffic pattern!
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/citizens-band-cb-service


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: HAMMYGUY on June 29, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
Why do many CBr's not come to ham radio?

I've noticed that many times 10 meters will not have any activity except for beacons, but 27mhz will be alive with activity.  Many of the CBr's have their rigs tuned to lower 38 monitoring just waiting to hear the DX.  Their operating practices are horrible granted, and mayhem is the theme.  But many are radio thrill seekers who don't like the structured environment of ham radio.  They thrive and love the wide open operating practices of CB where rules are tossed out the window.  Plus they seem to have a mindset that hams are boring nose in the air snobs.  Considering many of the hams I've met over the 40 years I've been in this hobby, a few do fit that persona but most don't.  Hell even I tuned down to lower 38 once in a while and even upper 27.555 to see what all the excitement is all about.  Once you tuned out of the normal CB channels it settles down to some fairly good operators!  

Notice I don't hit ENTER after each period.  That would make for a very difficult to read post wouldn't it?  Most of the time I don't even read posts like that as they are so difficult to understand what the poster was trying to say.  


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K7MH on June 29, 2014, 10:08:56 AM
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Notice I don't hit ENTER after each period.  That would make for a very difficult to read post wouldn't it?  Most of the time I don't even read posts like that as they are so difficult to understand what the OP was trying to say. 

That's for sure. Poor writing skills do not help at all if someone is trying to make a point or be taken seriously.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KA5PIU on June 29, 2014, 10:22:26 AM
Hello.

I am even worse in spoken English.
But, I doubt you speak Spanish.
So, I regchew in Spanish, not that I am trying to be a snob, but that is easier for me.
I kick back and chat for hours.
We use VoIP, CB, GMRS, Amateur Radio, whatever!
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/citizens-band-cb-service
CB for us is like the 2 meter simplex "talk in".
A short range invitation system.
GMRS works as well.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: AA4PB on June 29, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
FCC 95.413(a): You may not use a CB radio..
(9): To communicate with, or attempt to communicate with, any CB station more than 250 kilometers (155.3 miles) away.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W2EM on June 29, 2014, 04:32:12 PM
'scuse me while I go get my hip boots.  It's getting a little a tad deep...       :P


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N6AJR on June 30, 2014, 07:31:43 AM
Thanks, I thought there was a milage limit.  I playred CB for a while as a youngster, but when they dumped all the 23 channel rigs on the service  for cheap when they came out with the 40 channel stuff, the bands went into the  toilet.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K3GM on June 30, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
'scuse me while I go get my hip boots.  It's getting a little a tad deep...       :P

Yup... my meter's pinned....

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/TwoSevenRight/bsmeter.gif)


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N6AJR on July 06, 2014, 07:18:57 AM
I like that gizmatchy


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KF7ITG on July 06, 2014, 07:10:04 PM
I keep a CB set up with my other radio equipment. My grandson is 8 and has a cute little CB station set up in his bedroom connected to a roof top vertical with four radials. He lives about 6 miles away and on some evenings he gives me a call on his CB to tell me about his day. It may be a path to something bigger who knows but for now he has a good time with his CB and I enjoy being part of his radio experience. I glad he is showing an interest. He also had an IPhone and an IPad with FaceTime so the CB (radio) is old school to him.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K1DA on July 08, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
   I think it's feeding time at the bridge.  Truck drivers are moving to FRS 400 mhz gear to avoid the whack jobs on CB, although many firms accepting loading dock deliveries still have a CB handy for directions once the driver gets close.  At some point even they will probably switch to FRS gear as well.  CB has it's uses, such as for hunters using the private  logging roads in Maine where logging trucks are a fact of life, but the closer one gets to the "big city" the more it sounds like Bedlam, the British "mental disability" hospital. 


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K1DA on July 08, 2014, 08:38:52 AM
BTW plenty of info on the "woodpecker" on the internet, it  was actually a series of sites.  The "conical" dipole employed was for bandwidth, not gain, something the average CB type doesn't need to understand unless they are trespassing on 10 meters.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K9MHZ on July 09, 2014, 07:30:21 AM
Hello.

As the saying goes, you never get a second chance to make a good impression.



Hello.

Then read it, learn it, live it.


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K8AXW on July 09, 2014, 09:26:54 AM
ITG:  Beautiful story!  My grandson live 600 miles from me.  No way to talk to him even on the phone because of my extremely bad hearing.  No way to even open a door for him to learn ham radio.....if he ever developed an interest.

Good for you!

Only a fool limits his opportunities for fear of ridicule.

(That's MY quote!)


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K3GM on July 09, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
Hello.

As the saying goes, you never get a second chance to make a good impression.



Hello.

Then read it, learn it, live it.

I'm not sure, but judging from his abrupt disappearance, I think he wore out his welcome....


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K8AG on July 16, 2014, 11:29:34 AM
CB radio is amateur radio.  It may not be licensed anymore.  It may be little more than folks who do not have the spare time to devote to become licensed hams.  But it is still amateur radio, just like SWL and listening to police scanners.

My 2 cents.

73, JP, K8AG


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: G3RZP on July 18, 2014, 12:08:21 PM
I am not sure if CB meets the international definition of 'self training in the art of wireless telegraphy'. BUT, there are an awful lot of highly responsible CB'ers out there, supporting their communities and helping people, even if many of them have no real interest in the technical side or of going further into ham radio.

Not that I have ever operated on CB.......


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KE4JOY on July 18, 2014, 12:38:40 PM
I did not realize you could get radios with odometers in them  :D


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: KD8MJR on July 18, 2014, 04:29:08 PM
For any of you that don't know who KA5PIU is I suggest you look at this thread.  Its was locked by the Mods and should have been locked a lot sooner

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97247.0.html

On Page 8 when we all had enough of Him I called him out.

KD8MJR
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You people do know that he's probably posting back on some CB forum of how he has made baffones of the Ham community with a crazy story about using TV's to make 500 watt SS Amps and that he got over 7000 views 8 pages and several dozen replies.   With this thread he certainly does not have to lie about certain things to make Hams look like idiots, he just has to omit or twist what the content of the replies are. I am pretty sure one of them he's twisting around and saying is "Yes and they are even asking for pictures of the Amp   Stupid Hams!".

 I am really shocked that the moderators did not lock down this thread from page one but I guess blatantly inaccurate information is not censored. (It should be)

And please no one reply to my post, this guy is thriving on the amount of views and the replies.


This was KA5PIU Reply


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Hello.

Dude! you nailed it!
And the funny part is,,, I even named the website!
http://www.cbtricks.com/
You really can take a SVGA monitor, rip out the module of a large screen TV, and use it on 11 meters, that part is 100% correct.
BUT, this is an SVGA monitor, NOT a common TV.
I really do operate on 11 meters with a legit radio and 10 meters with a whatever.
If in San  Antonio you will find me on 28.385 MHz
You people have no idea of how much entertainment value you are!
You guys need schematics?
How hard can it be to connect a class C amplifier, and it already has its own power supply?!
Let me see, find the input, connect a 50 ohm non inductive resistor from input to ground and whatever level of drive planned series from SO-239 center pin to input?
Output, this is nothing more than a pi network to 50 ohms out.
Dude, I was doing this when I was 12 years old with salvaged B&W TV parts!
You have made the WEEK at Trader's Village!
Even people who have no real interest are enjoying this.
I push Amateur Radio, and try to get the scufflaws to behave.
But, if you call around to the local clubs, they will tell you.
1, I am nuts.
2, I have by far one of the cleanest signals around.
3, I really do breath fire, dance with machetes, and play scratch golf.
So, you see, this is summer, kids are out and about, and we are having fun.
Why pay to dunk the clown with the ball when we have hams to mess with?
We are ALL Spanish speakers, so we get abuse from the ham community, and do fight back!

I suggest you do not reply to any of his threads, he is just here to try and make a joke out
of Ham Radio Operators.  If you doubts then read what he said again.

73's
Rob


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: W4KYR on July 18, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
I am not sure if CB meets the international definition of 'self training in the art of wireless telegraphy'. BUT, there are an awful lot of highly responsible CB'ers out there, supporting their communities and helping people, even if many of them have no real interest in the technical side or of going further into ham radio.

Not that I have ever operated on CB.......

Someone of them are very technical, in fact there is a video of someone using packet radio on the CB bands (CEPT CB band, specifically 27.235Mhz)..in Europe.

"Packet Radio on 27Mhz (2011)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFu71XeM998

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Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: K1CJS on July 19, 2014, 07:00:37 AM
...I suggest you do not reply to any of his threads, he is just here to try and make a joke out
of Ham Radio Operators.  If you doubts then read what he said again.

I don't listen to him anyway.  On my ignore list.  That ignore button does have its uses.  To each his own.  73!


Title: RE: Amateur Radio vs CB
Post by: N5VTU on July 19, 2014, 07:18:30 AM
Nothing to see here....move along.