Tnx Ron, was hoping you would jump in with your extensive backround in wire beams.
Gonna do it tommorow schedule permitting and see what happens, I think you nailed it as far as any potential interaction.
your fellow knucklehead,
Bob

Guess nobody knows what I'm talking about, hi
Bob

Well welcome to wire world hi. Just give it up and pull feedline as hard as you can and if possible cut any remaining wire as high as you can. I have sinkers, string, pulleys, wire etc, long abandoned, in all my trees that will get taller every year while I keep shrinking!
Bob

I use a 40 meter phased reversable wire beam at around 40 ft. between two trees with outstanding results and front to back, picture a horizontal rectangle 65 ft. by 33 ft.which I don't want to screw up. My instincts tell me I should be okay using the same catenary rope to hang a 17 meter version of the antenna inside the 40 footprint in the same plane. The fed ends will have a 10ft offset from the 40 feed points which are 33 ft. apart and the 17 will be also 1/4 wl and around 13 ft.apart.
I will be using a separate feedline back to shack, and if no problem will put remote antenna switch out in yard to save some wire.
Should I expect any major detuning or pattern scew with the concept?
Tnx in advance,
Bob

It's pretty obvious, nobody gives a crap about what is said on ham radio including the FCC.
bob

Cecil you forgot to add in cost of the tuner, hi
bob

If I may summarize, hopefully accurately, there is no discernable advantage to using ladderline to a fan dipole instead of direct 50 ohm coax.
bob

Assuming you have decent antenna for each band the following might give some basic referance.
This is based on summer conditions and reasonable prop.

160 meters. 50 miles to 100 daytime., nights probaly the same in summer.
80 meters, same as above but dark paths good from 10 miles to 1500 miles.
40 meters, 500 miles plus in daytime and worldwide when in dark over both paths.
20 meters, daytime mostly beyond 500 miles to worldwide. Niights a crap shoot.
15, 10 meters always a crap shoot based on propagation.

2 meters is line of site so propagation a good portion of the time is not a factor.
Good luck and listen to an hf radio for further insights.
Bob

http://www.willcoele.com/radio_repair/ slow but does fine work on older icoms.
Bob

Assuming 1/4wl spacing.
Bob

If you connect the two 84 degree phase lines to each dipole yuo will have a bidirectional beam, if you connect an 84 to the rear dipole and a 155 degree phase line to the favored direction, it will be an end fired beam with substantial rear signal rejection and 3dbd gain to the front element direction.
Bob

I would like to ask a question that might be helpful to myself and other antenna builders.
When designing/ building an antenna I use some memory retained from much reading and past history to figure out the expected impedance of the antenna before baluns or matching/ feeding networks etc, some are obvious but some are not. Lets assume all the following antenna are at a respectable height of 1/4wl or more, what will the impedance be for the following antennas?
1; Dipole
2; 135 ft flat top wire on various bands.
3; EDZ built for the frequency of choice.
4; 2 element full size horizontal beam for frequency of choice at .15wl spacing.
5; Vertical monople, ground mounted with extensive ground radials.
6; Same as number 5 with parasitic reflector at .15wl spacing.
7; Quad loop with average height at 60% on top element for band of choice.
8; 80 Horizontal loop on various bands.
9; Phased wire dipoles at 1/4wl spacing.
10; Inverted L with substantial ground radial system.
11; End fed 135 ft at design band of choice.
12; 43 ft vertical on various bands.
Tnx
N4JTE

Okay I posted this because the self poster is not even close to a dx station unless you just got a radio, and the look ups on qrz exceed anything I have ever seen for his non dx location. So that what's got me going on the subject, any self posting is lame unless a REAL DX entity, they tell me is a FB operator, fine, good to know, but STILL lame to self post Guatamalia.
Bob

Splicing will be fine, I just tie in a knot, hi
Bob

Jeez, build an antenna, TG9AHM, posting your own call for CQ dx on the summit is pretty lame.
bob