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46  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: More Rotator Questions on: March 25, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
The U100/110 have an unusual control system.  As the rotator turns, a cam periodically closes a switch causing the position indicator dial on the remote head to advance 10 degrees.  The result being that you only know your azimuth in those increments.  To overcome that deficiency in my homebrew AZ/EL controller, I used an AVR Butterfly board to monitor the switch closures in the rotator.  I then used the amount of time that the rotator motor was powered, after the pulse from the switch closure, to estimate the current position to 1 degree +-.  Each subsequent pulse served to resync the system.

IIRC, I believe the U100/110 controller resolution is 5 degrees per click. I highly doubt that any loop antenna is that narrow on the nulls to make a difference. I have the Pixel Technologies RF Pro-1B loop (38" diameter wide band - no butterfly cap) on the roof using a U110 rotor and it works perfectly. Look on eBAY and get a used on that works and you're in bizness!

Gene W5DQ

I did some searching for pictures and realized dad has a U110 rotator from back when we had an antenna. He's going to send it out. The control box will look a little strange in my shack, but the price is right.

thanks all.
47  eHam Forums / Mobile Ham / RE: What Car or Truck Would Make the Best Mobile Platform? on: March 24, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Sport Mobile: http://www.sportsmobile.com/

Used broadcast remote truck (comes with 50' telescoping mast):
http://alliedbroadcastgroup.com/asccustompages/products.asp?fav=0&fpage=1&page=1&categoryID=3&productID=1349&pstart=0&recNum=4
48  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: More Rotator Questions on: March 23, 2013, 06:02:57 PM
Sparkfun.com has a lot of different magnetometer modules available. I'm sure when transmitting the magnetic field would go a little screwy, but how often does one rotate an HF antenna while transmitting? I was also thinking since I'll be using this in an attic, I could just get a strong magnet and use it for a reference instead of magnetic north.

I've looked at CCD camera mounts in the past, but mostly for Az/El positioning of a satellite antenna, and figured they weren't quite there. I ended up using a telescope mount for that, which works well, but isn't waterproof. Looking forward to springtime so I can get it set up and make some contacts again.
49  eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: soldering iron recommendations on: March 22, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
Ultratorch UT-100Si:
http://www.masterappliance.com/heat-tool-products/butane-powered/ultratorches/ultratorch-ut-100si

Gets plenty hot, very quickly and doesn't need an extension cord out at the antenna side.
50  eHam Forums / APRS / RE: Can the new Icom IC-51a be used for APRS? on: March 22, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
Not sure where K0JEG got his information but it is incorrect. If you go to page 10-18 of the manual, it explains step-by-step how to turn on APRS transmission. It takes about 5 minutes to set up and, once you do, it will transmit your location when you key the mic. I just checked on aprs.fi and THERE I AM. This is SOOO cool!!

Glad to be wrong.  Wink I hope they post the manual online soon, because I'm interested in this radio.

You made it to the APRS-IS network through a D-star gateway. You weren't transmitting on 144.390 using 1200 baud AFSK though, and I don't know that iGates on the APRS side will transmit your position to the local APRS RF users like the RF digipeater/iGates will.

I'm not trying to bash D-star, just pointing out that it's not quite the same as APRS and the 2 systems, while combined on the Internet, are not so compatible in the RF world.
51  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: More Rotator Questions on: March 22, 2013, 06:02:44 PM
The U100/110 have an unusual control system.  As the rotator turns, a cam periodically closes a switch causing the position indicator dial on the remote head to advance 10 degrees.  The result being that you only know your azimuth in those increments. 

That's very interesting. I figured the controller was acting just the opposite: in my head each click was sending a signal to the rotator telling it to move "one click" clockwise or counterclockwise, depending. If it's the other way around I wonder if I could ignore that feedback and just use something like a potentiometer or even an electronic compass module?
52  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: More Rotator Questions on: March 22, 2013, 05:55:05 PM
Since a loop only has nulls off the sides you really only need to rotate it a maximum of 90 degrees. You can also mount it horizontally and have an omni-directional pattern.


I had it mounted horizontally in the past and it was great for NVIS but not much else.
53  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: More Rotator Questions on: March 22, 2013, 05:30:45 PM
Have you seen this thread:
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,88119.15.html

In it, I suggest using RC Servos.  I have a mag loop in the attic which is both tuned and rotated using ordinary servos.  The loop is mounted on a simple bearing (one tube inside another) with a pulley at the bottom.  It uses a Yauht Winch servo connected with a toothed belt to the pulley so there is a direct relationship between the servo and loop.

At the moment I'm just using a pair of 'servo testers) to control it but the plan is to use a microcontroller with an LCD.  I'll build a lookup table of servo pulse width against frequency for the tuning and direction for the rotator.  The next step is to read the frequency directly from the rig and auto tune the loop (with a fine tune knob) to bring it in.  I often tune the loop just off to get rid of co-channel interference - which the fine tune knob would achieve.

Si

I've been following that thread too. Were you able to post some pictures somewhere? I'd really like to see how you mount everything to keep tension on the belt to keep it from slipping.

From an Arduino standpoint, it would be much simpler to build using servos or steppers, since the libraries are easy to find and there are off the shelf shields for interfacing, but that moves the difficult part over to the antenna end.

As far as auto tuning goes, I first plan on using the external meter jack on my FT-897 as an easy way to get S-units and SWR to the Arduino, just by taking a sample of the voltage and adjusting for peak on receive (course) or null on transmit (fine). If/when I upgrade to another radio I'll likely either use an external SWR/Power meter like the Elecraft W1 or poll the radio through the CAT port.
54  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / More Rotator Questions on: March 22, 2013, 06:16:53 AM
I'm going to be mounting  a magnetic loop in an attic at the new QTH. Wind load won't be a factor, but the weight of the butterfly capacitor (~15lbs) will be. I'm guessing most rotators are built for wind load (side to side weight) not vertical weight. I'd like to use something small and inexpensive if possible. I might be able to rig something to suspend/support the antenna from the roof to hold some of the weight too.

The other question is, are there any standards for rotator cables? Most of the inexpensive rotators have controllers that look like the one we had on the TV in the 1970s. For those of you too young to remember, these beasts were loud, inaccurate and slow. I'm fairly handy with a soldering iron and Arduino, not so much with machining gears. If I can determine what the rotator needs in order to run, I'd like build my own interface.
55  eHam Forums / Satellites / RE: Tracking Software on: March 21, 2013, 03:25:19 PM
Gnome Predict (Gpredict): http://gpredict.oz9aec.net/download.php

free, open source, uses hamlib for rig/rotator control, built for all the popular OSs.

There's also a few Android apps. I use HamSatDroid, which works fairly well, although could be better.
56  eHam Forums / APRS / RE: AIS versus APRS on: March 16, 2013, 06:42:51 AM
AIS utilizes GMSK (Gaussian Minimum Shift Keying) modulation at 9600 bit/s. Adjacent channels can be spaced either 12.5 kHz or 25 kHz. Data is encapsulated in HDLC like packets, which are NRZI encoded, see fig 5 and fig. 6.

D-Star uses GMSK and has position reporting built in, although it doesn't have much in the way of packetization. It would be nice if the community viewed the protocol as more than a voice mode, so maybe we could retire our Bell 212 modems.
57  eHam Forums / RFI / EMI / RE: Direct TV DVR problems on: March 13, 2013, 03:33:11 PM
If you have the Direct TV "Genie" system, it uses a system called multimedia over coax, or MoCA, for signaling and transferring A/V between boxes (it will also connect to some TVs).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_over_Coax_Alliance

Make sure all the connectors are wrench tight, splitters are grounded, etc. Dual shield coax with 100% foil braid should be used as a minimum, as should compression-type fittings. Most importantly, wall plates should be checked to make sure they aren't hex crimp on the back, and replaced if they're the typical poor quality I've found over the years in most houses. Also try disconnecting cables from the splitter one at a time and see if the problems go away.

The frequencies used are all above 500MHz, so I doubt there's any direct interference from your radio (assuming you're operating on HF). Also the fact that your cable modem is working fine would lead me away from the radio and more to ingress on the satellite cabling.

good luck!
58  eHam Forums / Misc / RE: In the age of "virtual technical parity" Do Specs matter anymore? on: March 13, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Many years ago (almost 50!), as a young development engineer, I was told 'There are no prizes for vastly exceeding the specification'. It proved to be partially true in that case, as specs written for one technology didnt apply to another.....But it's a good start to a philosophy.

You must not have worked for a audiophile-level amplifier company!  Cheesy
59  eHam Forums / Misc / RE: In the age of "virtual technical parity" Do Specs matter anymore? on: March 12, 2013, 03:33:03 AM
The other question is, will the population support a company that takes a chance on a radical new design? The IF DSP was a no-brainer, but I remember a lot of complaining about audio DSP being inferior to other filtering techniques. But we had to get audio DSP to prove the concept and get some R&D started on how to improve it, which led to IF DSP.

SDRs are generally in the same boat. Look over in the QRP forum to see a very long debate over the merits of the KX-3 vs the FT-817. The KX-3 is a very popular radio, and a great leap forward in shrinking technology, but there doesn't seem to be enough of an improvement for a consensus. Why is the Flex radio still a niche product if it is so much better? It can't all be the way the company is run.

I think many people look at Moore's law and try to apply it to everything. While it does lead to innovation in just about all technological areas, physics and economics will grind innovation to a halt once you get past the silicon chip level. Why don't we have direct-sampling SDRs? The technology exists and has for some time now. Well, because the chips and real-time processing power are still at a price point that is too high for most amateurs.
60  eHam Forums / Antenna Restrictions / RE: Keeping RF out of the living space on: March 11, 2013, 11:36:37 PM
Thanks for the advice. I figured it was all overkill, but you never know. Much easier to type it out than do it and find out it doesn't make a difference (or make things worse). Smiley
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