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61  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Difference Between a Terminated Folded Dipole, G5RV, and Cobra UltraLite on: February 28, 2012, 07:26:40 AM
I think the best long term solution for <100 Watts and limited space (but not severely limited) is a remote automatic antenna tuner at the feed point of whatever length wires you can put up.  it doesn't have to be perfectly symmetrical (or even close). There are some "particularly" bad lengths (you don't want the overall length of the antenna to be exactly 1 wavelength), but other than that, you get all band operation, coax feedline, minimum losses in that feedline (since it's always matched).    You can also put multiple wires of multiple lengths up, which will help the pattern on higher bands, if nothing else.

As others have noted, the other choices either have losses in the antenna (and how ever much loss there is in the autotuner, it's probably not 6dB, like the typical Terminated Folded Dipole) or require a low loss feedline and a tuner at the shack.

I've fooled with a variety of "no tune" or "multiband" antennas of one kind or another, and they're fine if you've got more time than money, because you're going to be doing a fair amount of fiddling around to get them to work right.

62  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: Will New Power Transistors End the Need for Tube Amplifiers in the Future? on: February 23, 2012, 06:21:17 PM
power density isn't as troublesome in the magnetics though. You can always get bigger cores, etc.   The problem with the transistors is that the dice are just so small, so that's where the big thermal issue is.

(After all, there are millions of liquid cooled transformers around already)
63  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: Is a black heatsink more effective? on: February 13, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Black bodies absorb some forms of heat better but do not radiate it more effectively than polished aluminum surfaces. This is evident when looking at the air heat sinks and fans which are provided as coolers for computer CPUs. Also aluminum unpainted fins on air conditioning coils are never painted black. Solar collectors are painted black to absorb heat. A black heat sink would absorb more heat from a hot cabinet but would require a fluid such as forced air to eject the heat away from the cabinet.

This is incorrect.  In fact, black things radiate better than other colors, although there isn't much difference.  What you're talking about is a property called emissivity, and most painted surfaces run somewhere around 0.9, regardless of color. Shiny things, though, have low emissivity in general (0.03 for silver and gold)

You need to be very careful, too, about comparing properties  in the visible spectrum (e.g. solar collectors) and far IR (where heat sinks radiate).  Well designed solar collectors are actually designed to have high absorption in the visible, but low radation in the far IR (heat).  Black paint is actually non-optimum for a solar collector.

Interestingly, shiny metal actually radiates worse.  (this is why those seat belt latches and shiny metal railings get hot in the sun..)  It has to do with the ratio of absorption and emission (so called alpha over epsilon ratio).

here's a table of a, e, and a/e: http://www.solarmirror.com/fom/fom-serve/cache/43.html

All that said, heat sinks generally cool by conduction to the surrounding air, not by radiation.  Even if there's no fan, they rely on hot air rising (fanless heatsinks should have the fins oriented vertically).  For conduction, thinner paint is better.  Most aluminum isn't painted, it's "chemical conversion" treated: anodizing, alodining, etc.
64  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: Really high voltage on: February 12, 2012, 08:10:38 AM
Most Tesla Coils (esp big ones) are in the 100 kHz range.
And these aren't spark gap transmitters.  They are basically a solid state power oscillator (usually using big IGBTs) driving an RF transformer, and actually have fairly well controlled RF spectrum. (google for DRSSTC)

However, given that they are operating in the 3km band, the "antenna" is pretty small and inefficient.

I've done quite a lot of analysis and tests on this kind of thing and the dominant RFI from them is actually not from the fundamental, but is the transients from the spark.  An individual spark is discharging  the capacitance of the top terminal (some 10s of pF, at a few hundred kV) over a loop that's several meters in cross section.  That is a pretty decent di/dt and generates a very nice waveform to kill victim equipment that's in the area.
65  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: Will New Power Transistors End the Need for Tube Amplifiers in the Future? on: February 12, 2012, 08:06:24 AM
Right now, liquid cooling is pretty complex and very individual design sensitive: that is, every design needs a different cooling design, either from a thermal standpoint or a packaging standpoint. That translates to expensive.  What's needed is something that is mass produced to meet a consumer need, which we as amateurs can then repurpose to our own needs.

There is some hope because the increasing power density the CPU and GPU world means that just about every laptop made these days has a heatpipe in it, and there are quasi-off-the-shelf liquid cooling schemes for PCs.  The cost of chillers has has also come down: either using Peltier devices (very inefficient) or just because of the inexpensive off-shore-manufacturing of simple mechanical devices (kegerators, bar fridges, etc.). You see chillers for aquariums at remarkably low prices compared to what we used to pay for a standard lab chiller.

Sooner or later some inventive ham is going to start looking at how do you bolt a set of FETs onto the "coldplate" of a CPU chiller, and still get the RF part of the design to work ok.  And gradually, the articles will change from "how to build a chimney and blower for your power grid tube"  and "how to make your own socket for that broadcast pull" to "how to turn an icemaker into a chiller" and "how to safely bend the heat pipe on a laptop CPU chiller".


66  eHam Forums / Station Building / RE: Station Grounding / Lighting Protection on: February 08, 2012, 08:03:19 AM

If this were mine, I would add another ground rod about 20 feet from each end, And then one more in the middle.   A total of three more rods.  Total of 5 rods for the entire run.

What engineering basis do you have for recommending more rods?  As you point out "installing them too close... is poor economy", and I think the same would apply to number as well as spacing.

Not that more rods isn't better (it is, in general), but where is the cost/benefit tradeoff? 

Let's look at the physics.  There's three reasons to connect to the soil:
1) RF ground for an antenna where the soil is part of the radiating system
2) Electrical safety, in case a power line or other live conductor comes in contact with the antenna
3) Lightning energy dissipation

Ground rods in the middle of the bonding run do nothing for #1, because the AC resistance of the wire connecting them is sufficiently high at amateur HF frequencies that it's like hooking a big resistor between the "ground" and the antenna.

Ground rods in the middle of the bonding run do nothing for #2, because the DC/60Hz resistance of AWG6 (<0.5 ohms in 100 ft) is so low that the voltage drop along the wire is small in the event of a fault, so that all the equipment stays close to "bare feet" potential. (one of the reasons for NEC grounding)

Ground rods in the middle of a bonding run don't do much for #3, because the inductance of the 20 feet of wire to that middle rod is about 6-7 microhenries.  At the nominal 1 MHz for lightning, that's an impedance of 18 ohms, and at, say, 1 kA, that's a voltage drop of 18 kV.  Buzzing along to the next rod, the current is less, but the inductance is more... The net result is that the added rods don't add much to the effectiveness of a lightning ground.    If you're worried about reducing the impedance of your lightning ground, drive more rods near the antenna, or even better, bury some radials, or, if the antenna has a concrete base, make sure it's well connected to the grounding system.

Take home message:

The bonding rules aren't for lightning or RF.  They're for line frequency faults and shock hazard.  From that standpoint, it turns out that the bonding really doesn't need to be connected to "earth ground" very well at all. (and in fact, the NEC code makers are gradually changing the wording from grounding to bonding)

Long wires (unless buried) make terrible additions to RF grounding system.

Lightning is all about keeping the strike energy somewhere other than delicate stuff,  and making sure that all equipment goes up and down together.  The currents are so high and the rise time so fast that trying to keep the voltage "low" is impossible.

Ground rods worked great for Ben Franklin, because they replaced *nothing*.  But there's a lot of better ways to do it now, and we know a LOT more about the underlying physics and applications.

67  eHam Forums / Software Defined Radio / RE: What is a better SDR Interface to the Computer? on: February 05, 2012, 09:19:57 AM
the answer to the question is the classic "it depends".

If it's a SDR approach where you're basically feeding bandlimited raw samples to a PC for processing, then USB is probably easier.  If it's an approach where you have some "smarts" in the box between sampler and interface, or where you might want to have multiple PCs and multiple sample streams, Ethernet is going to be more appropriate.

If it's an SDR (a'la Flex) where you are leveraging inexpensive high volume gear (audio interfaces), then you want whatever the inexpensive audio gear uses, today, that's USB 2.  Who knows where it will be in the future?  Thunderbolt? USB3? something new?
68  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: Will New Power Transistors End the Need for Tube Amplifiers in the Future? on: February 05, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
   One key  observation...the writer had to get an "expert" to fix his Tokyo High Power amp (good company BTW) while MANY hams can look at a dark 3-500 or 811 and draw the proper conclusion.  Low voltage may be safer, but a lotof people have done themselves a lot of harm fooling with car batteries. 

People have been professionally building, using, and fixing tube amps for almost 100 years, and solid state amps for a bit less than half that.  Hams are running somewhat behind that.. I would say that the fraction of hams who have built and modified and fixed solid state amps is perhaps a few percent of those who have done the same with tube rigs.

In another 30 years, I suspect it will be different.
69  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: Command Technologies 2500 amp aka Dedicated RF aka AN Wireless on: February 04, 2012, 07:39:41 AM

Acom + Eimac 8877 or a pair of 3cpx800s would be the best amplifier in the world. I am not going to sink $5k into any amp that uses tubes that are no longer made, despite the assurances of suppliers who says their are plenty of tubes around. A lot can change in 10 years.

...in 10 years.


There, in a nutshell, is the problem faced by anyone selling to the amateur radio market.  There is an expectation of 30-40 year life. Something that really doesn't exist in other industries, except perhaps spaceflight, and we all know how inexpensive it is to build spacecraft.
70  eHam Forums / Amplifiers / RE: SS Amplifier IMD Testing (New Start rolled from Command Technologies Thread) on: February 04, 2012, 07:36:15 AM
Well, yes, a chiller is a decent approach, but that's a big step: from cooling based on transfer to ambient environment (heat sinks) to mechanical refrigeration.  But maybe that's what it's going to take to get the heat out of high power density devices.  For all we know, in 10-15 years, you might be able to get it all as a reliable packaged assembly, sort of like ThermoElectric coolers today.
71  eHam Forums / Licensing / RE: What percentage of people in your town are hams? on: February 03, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
you can shorten your zip code search by using the first few digits.  900xx are all in LA, for instance.  911xx are Pasadena, and so forth.  (there are zip codes that span city boundaries, though, e.g. 91020, aka BHPO in real estate ads, so it can get a bit complex). 

I think there's someone who has some scripts that geocodes the ham license database and runs stats..
72  eHam Forums / Station Building / RE: Antenna Ground Wire Installation Dilemma on: February 03, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
perhaps not so oddly, most ground rods are driven next to the foundation, because you want the path from "thing being grounded" to "ground" to be as short as possible.  Putting it next to the foundation also means that it's less likely to be disturbed (by mowers, brush trimming, painters dragging ladders, who knows what all). That doesn't change that ground rods, as a grounding means, are less than ideal.

Most of us don't have infinite money and time, so it's worth spending those resources wisely, in accordance with sound engineering and physics principles.  There's a fair amount of  bad advice out there.  There's also a whole lot of misconceptions out there that while not actively bad, cause people to spend time and effort in ways that are ineffective. Some are drawn from applications which are similar, but different in important ways (lightning grounds are not HF antenna grounds are not 60 Hz power line grounds).  Some are historical, are not recommended in light of modern knowledge, and deserve a peaceful retirement. 

Since you mention the IEEE, they actually have several books on grounding, but the so-called "emerald book" (IEEE-1100) is the one most applicable to hams.  It's fairly straightforward, has been reviewed by people whose life work is in the field, etc.. It covers all the kinds of grounding and bonding.  It's pricey to buy, but you can request it from your local library.

For free, I'd recommend the Mike Holt Low Voltage Grounding book.  Download it from http://www.mikeholt.com/ and it tells you pretty much everything you need to know about grounding for amateur radio installations (and low voltage control, like that rotor control) from an electrical code standpoint.  The actual electrical code (NEC - NFPA70) from the NFPA  isn't readily available on the web, but Carl Malamud has most of the codes online at https://public.resource.org/index.html or more specifically at http://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/   (Florida doesn't have an electrical code apparently, but if you look at California's, it's basically a copy of the NEC).  It's just a giant pdf, and doesn't have all the nice notes and links you'd get if you forked over the $125 to NFPA.   You're interested in Article 250 (grounding), and the 800's (all the antenna stuff).

If your insurance requires it, then NFPA 780 is the standard for lightning protection.  There's a copy out on the web at New Mexico State University, I think.

And, of course, the ARRL handbook does have a section on grounding, recently revised.
 
73  eHam Forums / Station Building / RE: Antenna Ground Wire Installation Dilemma on: February 02, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
Hi.

 You do not want the ground rod right up next to the house, especially if you have a basement. I would recommend placing the rod 8 ft. away from the house.
 The main reason is that there is likely to be more moisture in the soil and thus more conductivity. Well worth the effort and a little additional wire.
on the other hand, depending on where the vapor barrier (if any) is, the concrete in the basement wall might be a good low impedance grounding connector, particularly if it has rebar
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Truly, one ground rod is an absolute rock bottom minimum situation. Two or three, with the other two located at least 8' away and separated from each
 other by 8 ft. would be far more effective. If your soil is dry or rocky, you should use even more rods.
if your soil is rocky and dry, don't fool with ground rods, which have only the virtue of being easy to install, but aren't a very good way to connect anything to the soil.  Use a Ufer ground (concrete encased grounding electrode), specifically developed for dry rocky soil by Herb Ufer.

you might ask yourself why many jurisdictions these days don't allow rods to be the sole grounding means, and actually require a CEGR or simlar.

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 Remember, you are trying to conduct, literally, MEGA Watts of energy to ground. That amount of energy will saturate the ground around one rod and the energy will be  
 looking for other paths.
There is no such thing as "saturating" the ground around a rod.  Yes, if the current density is high enough and the stroke lasts long enough, you'll get a "smoking rod", but that's more likely to happen with something like a utility power line fault to your system (where you can get kiloamps for many minutes).

Megawatts means nothing.. what you are really concerned about is dissipating kilojoules or megajoules.  A megawatt for one microsecond is only one joule (about the energy from dropping an apple a meter).   Lightning strokes last about 50 microseconds.

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Ground rods are CHEAP compared to the damage a lightning strike will cause! VERY cheap. If your antenna is the highest thing on top of your
 house, it adds even more urgency. There is also the probability that if you do it right, it will afford some protection to the house. Yeah, it is bad to lose an antenna and
 a rig, but it is a LOT worse to lose all the electronics and some appliances in your house or have the house wiring destroyed. An inadequate ground system to that antenna
 also might void your home owner's insurance.....I am not saying it *will*, but I would not discount the possibility; remember the insurance company does NOT want to pay
 you....they pay claims when they HAVE to. You also might want to think a little bit about upgrading to AWG #4. In the  big scheme of things, that would not be a lot more
 money.  It is all about Risk vs. Reward and you have to make that choice.

You're confusing a lot of things here. Rods are cheap, but aren't a very good ground. Use them if you have nothing else.  Protecting your electronics doesn't depend on ground rods, it depends on good system design: making sure that lightning current doesn't flow "through" your electronics.  That's more a matter of paying attention to where things are connected (you want to the same point) rather than whether they happen to be at the same voltage as the soil.

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Heed AD4U's advise to bond with # 6 to the AC power line ground. VERY important. This keeps the AC line and "your ground" at the same potential.  Also, a very high
percentage of lightning damage comes in on the power line. (When your power line or your neighbor's house is hit!) Adding your ground to the power line ground is nothing but good.
First part is fine. the code requires (for good reason) that all grounds be bonded together (typically AWG6, but there are other ways).
Connecting your antenna ground to the power line ground doesn't necessarily help with transients, but it is required for other reasons.
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FYI:  I put my money where my mouth is. Since I live in an area that has really bad and frequent lightning in the spring and summer, and I have several HF antenna in the
        yard, I have an extensive system with 14 ground rods (all bonded together) with AWG # 2.

 I am like the other poster; if you actually live in the 4th Call area, you really should take lightning protection seriously. There is no part of the 4th Call area that does not
 have moderately frequent thunderstorms in the warmer months. e.g. Lightning !

73,  K0ZN
74  eHam Forums / Station Building / RE: Antenna Ground Wire Installation Dilemma on: February 01, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
A few comments..

bend radius isn't all that critical, don't obsess.  There's no good physics reason for bend radii greater than, say, 1" or so.  The code just says as direct as practicable.  Avoid a loop or half loop, though. Electromagnetic stresses will cause issues.

Pay attention to distance of lightning ground from "other stuff".  You don't want it running next to something important (like your coax?)

Strap isn't all that much better than wire for lightning or electrical safety ground.  If you were grounding a 40m vertical, strap is it, but other than that, other things dominate.

All grounds have to be bonded together with AWG6, if you're concerned about code compliance. The inspector wants to see round wire, not tubing, not strap, not braid, not anything other than round wire at least AWG6 or bigger. (there are weird exceptions if you're running the bonding conductor in a conduit and stuff like that)

A bigger question is how you're bringing the coax inside.  Code requires that the shield be bonded to the grounding system at the point of entry.  Good practice says all the "chassis grounds" of everything should be tied together, which implies that your AC wiring ground (green wire) should be connected to the same ground point as your coax shield, etc.

get yourself a free copy of Mike Holt's low voltage grounding book (it's online at the Mike Holt site).. it summarizes all the electrical code requirements nicely, so at least you'll have that part covered.  It doesn't deal with lightning rods or NFPA 780 grounding, if you need that (are you in the 4 call area? the southeast is notorious for high lightning rates.. compared to the very quiet 6 area, for instance)

75  eHam Forums / Station Building / RE: Connecting to your house ground when the Service ground rod is non-existent on: February 01, 2012, 09:09:57 PM
I am putting my home station back on the air, but my electrical service to the house comes in underground, and into my garage wall. 

Odds are it's in the same stud bay as the disconnect.   If there is a Home Depot in your area they stock a plastic access panel that you can cut into the drywall to provide access to the ground rod.

http://www.homedepot.com/buy/plumbing-plumbing-accessories-access-panels/14-in-x-14-in-plastic-wall-access-panel-144379.html



Yes. although I went out and looked at mine.. The electrical service comes up in one stud bay where panel is, and all the rest come up in the next one over, where the cable TV hatches and the phone box is.  The ground wire from the slab (Ufer ground) comes up with the telco and cable tv, and goes through a hole in the stud to the electrical panel.

So you might need to do a bit of cutting and exploring.  Fortunately, you can get nice looking panels to cover the holes OR it's time to learn how to patch drywall.. It's pretty easy, and if it's in a garage, nobody will notice.  It's a very useful skill to have (putting a patch in, using the joint compound/spackle, and spraying it with the texture glop from a can.)  After that, you'll never fear changing a single gang to a double gang box inside, for instance.
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