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1  eHam Forums / Computers And Software / Spectrum analyzer simulator? on: October 28, 2012, 06:04:21 PM
 I need to learn how to use a service monitor/spectrum analyzer for a possible job opportunity but don't have thousands to spend. Does anyone know of a pc program I can download that simulates an analyzer so that I can practice?
2  eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Calculating Power Output on: October 20, 2012, 09:44:58 AM
 Grin Thanks everyone for taking the time to help me resolve this. It's good to know you guys are out there & willing to help.
3  eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Calculating Power Output on: October 19, 2012, 07:39:54 AM
Very Close... Your answer of 5 watts in = 970 out should be 1000 watts out. You can do this in your head.

Let's take the number ' 23 ' and break it down as 10 + 10 + 3.  The first multiplier is 10. Second multiplier is 10 again. 10 x 10 = 100. Third multiplier is 2. 100 x 2 = 200, so 5 watts into the amplifier yields 1000 watts out. If you work it backwards, 2 x 10 = 20 x 10 = 200.

Same difference.

Run 23 dB through the calculator here and you'll see the multiplier comes up as 200 for power but not voltage gain. (14.1) I don't have a shortcut for ballparking voltage gain, but where the 3 / 10 method helps is on multiple choice tests for questions like the one you asked. Almost invariably the numbers given will be multiples of 3 or 10 which makes it easy to double check the properly calculated result...

Yes, I see. It's much easier to use the 10X multiplier (10db) accompanied with the 2X (3db). Also, after playing around with the #s a bit I realized that 23/3 is closer to 7.7 than 7.6 which almost gives me another me an additional 70 Watts on top of my 970, so the method you show above with the 10X is definitely more accurate if I'm trying to get an estimate in my head. Especially when I get up into the higher db gain or loss.




4  eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Calculating Power Output on: October 19, 2012, 06:44:34 AM
You can ballpark Decibels by remembering two values... 3 is either double or half (depending on whether it's gain or loss) and 10 dB is 10 times (or 1/10th) the original value.

In the example given, the 12 dB of gain in the antenna is reduced 6 dB by the loss in the feed line. Overall antenna system gain is now 6 dB which is 3dB + 3dB or double, then double again, for a multiplier of 4. If we want 500 watts ERP we'd need 125 watts from the transmitter. The first 3 dB of gain takes the ERP to 250 watts, the second 3 dB of gain takes the ERP to 500 watts. Or, working the reverse, 500 divided by 4 = 125.

Here's an example for you to work:  An amplifier is rated at 23 dB of gain. What's the ratio between the input and output level?




Thanks,

This really helps. So from your example I divided 23 by 3 and came up with 7.6 (approx). Then I used an arbitrary output of 5 watts power. Doubling that 7.6 times would be 5X27.6 which gives me about 970 Watts. Correct?
5  eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Calculating Power Output on: October 19, 2012, 06:33:48 AM
If x = by, then y is the logarithm of x to base b, and is written y = logb(x). Usually the base b is 10.
In your case 500/x=106/10 and x= 500/106/10

Thanks,

This is exactly what I was looking for.
6  eHam Forums / Elmers / Calculating Power Output on: October 19, 2012, 04:46:20 AM
Hi. Can someone please help me understand and resolve the following?

In order to have an Effective Radiated Power of 500 watts, with 6dB of feed line loss and 12 dB antenna gain, what power output must you have?

When I plug the values into a db calculator I get 125.59 watts.

I know that Level in db=10Log(Power Ratio). So then 6=10Log(500/X)?  If this is correct, how would I simplify this (solve for X)? I was never very good with logarithms and it turns out that this deficiency has only increased with age.

Thanks in advance.



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