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eHam Forums / Company Reviews / RE: W8JI Home page is AWESOME!
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on: January 17, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
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I think that one thing that people overlook about Tom Rauch is that he has an extraordinary ability --and motivation-- to communicate his vast knowledge and thoughts to others.
I have know Tom for many years, though we haven't really communicated much in a long time. I will say one thing: radio and electronics simply consumes him. I think that's all he mainly thinks about. His wife told my wife that many years ago, and that has certainly been my observation. (And I'm glad for that. :-) That's why he knows so much.
And he tests and measures about everything. How many of us do that?
It's one thing to have a broad range of technical expertise. It's another thing to be able to share it, to get your point across in a clear manner that draws us in, makes perfect sense, and makes us sit up in our chairs and take notice, open our eyes wide, and say "WOW!". Probably, there are a few others like Tom, but we just don't know about them for one reason or another.
Another person I admire for his technical knowledge is Owen Duffy, VK1OD (vk1od.net). He has an amazing repertoire of knowledge in a number of fields, not just radio/electronics. I am in awe of both Owen and Tom. Too bad Owen left the forums because of a few unkind things people said to him.
But there are other really sharp people on the forums. And when I see a post from them, I know that it is accurate.
I just wish I had their energy.
Yes, the loss of Owen Duffy, VK1OD was felt by many. Some people do not like conflict, and even though they are mentally equipped to do battle with their critics, and win, they choose not to. The result is a great loss of knowledge to the Ham Radio Community. All because of some Internet Troll!
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Save A Lot Of Money On A Hex Beam !
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on: January 17, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
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This nonsense about Hexbeams and quads performing well at low heights is truly nonsense. This bit of falsehood has become a ham urban myth legend.Hams just have to accept the reasons why they install their antennas low. If they dont want to go through the trouble and expense of putting them up higher, they should just say so, rather repeating old wives tales to make themselves feel better. If this fact was true, these so called low height antennas would have proven themselves on 75 meters or 160 meters working DX. I have never heard a big signal from anyone using a low beam or quad antenna on 75 meters. Maybe one day we will be able to control the takeoff angle electronically, that day is a long way off! Height=signal might. KA7NIQ, when you said "grandpa is in business" you described my setup exactly...including the height and 600 watt amp!
For low angles, the higher the better, agreed.
I had mine on a push-up pole at my last QTH, and decided it was easier and cheaper to just use "armstrong" method and turn it by hand. A bit inconvenient, but it worked.
Currently I have it suspended at 45 feet between two trees, with poly line to rotate it as needed. Not a rotator, but it's simple and it does work.
Well, we have lot's of retired "Grandpa Type" Hams here in Florida, that are running Hex Beams with 600 watt Ameritron 811 amps! No, they are not gonna be first in major pileups, but they sure beat a vertical or G5RV type of antenna! Some Hams believe a Hex beam will work at low heights, where a conventional beam will not. This is not true. As with any beam, the higher the better, if chasing long distance DX. My personal Beam is at 50 feet, plenty high enough for me, and what I want to do. As usual Zenki, you are correct. This Myth about Hex Beams and Quads being able to perform at low heights, when a Yagi will not, is total and utter Bullchit! ARRL started this crap in an old ARRL Antenna Book, with this statement "Some operators feel that Quads and Delta Loops are effective DX Antennas at lower heights then a Yagi" I was successful Zenki in getting a local Ham to get his Hex Beam up in the air (50 ft) from the 25 foot mast it was on. He too went through all the excuses as to WHY his Hex Beam did not need to be any higher in the air. I then proceeded to smash his excuses, one by one. Finally, the real reason for having his antenna at such a low height came out. He was an elderly Ham Zenki, who just lost his XYL, then moved down here to Florida. He was honest when he told me he did not know any Hams here locally who might help him erect a tower. I told him my friends and I would help him, and we found him a used 50 ft TV Tower that a local Ham sells. This local Ham gets them for free, just for taking them down, and sells them very cheap! WE were able to get him 60 feet of 10 ft tower sections cheap! WE dug our hole, buried 8 ft of the 60 ft tower, and filled it with concrete. Now, Grandpa is up at about 52 ft with his KIO Hex Beam, and he is in heaven! Not only did performance really increase on his Hex Beam, going for 25 to 52 feet Zenki, but front to back rejection really improved, as well. Here in Florida, it is sometimes hard to talk to the northern parts of the US, with 1/2 of South America intruding from behind us.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Save A Lot Of Money On A Hex Beam !
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on: January 17, 2013, 10:38:10 AM
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KA7NIQ, when you said "grandpa is in business" you described my setup exactly...including the height and 600 watt amp!
For low angles, the higher the better, agreed.
I had mine on a push-up pole at my last QTH, and decided it was easier and cheaper to just use "armstrong" method and turn it by hand. A bit inconvenient, but it worked.
Currently I have it suspended at 45 feet between two trees, with poly line to rotate it as needed. Not a rotator, but it's simple and it does work.
Well, we have lot's of retired "Grandpa Type" Hams here in Florida, that are running Hex Beams with 600 watt Ameritron 811 amps! No, they are not gonna be first in major pileups, but they sure beat a vertical or G5RV type of antenna! Some Hams believe a Hex beam will work at low heights, where a conventional beam will not. This is not true. As with any beam, the higher the better, if chasing long distance DX. My personal Beam is at 50 feet, plenty high enough for me, and what I want to do.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Save A Lot Of Money On A Hex Beam !
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on: January 16, 2013, 05:51:33 AM
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I totally agree Zenki, that the little Hex Beam is bringing the fun back to Ham Radio again! It seems the higher towers "open the band". LOL, I have heard little Hex Beams opening the band on plenty of occasions with the big boys. But the Hex Beams were at 70 feet, or more.
NA4RR is selling a Hex Beam for under 400.00 SHIPPED! Stick that on a 40 foot push up mast, with a cheap TV Rotator, and "Grandpa is in business" Then, combine that with a small 600 watt amp, and Ham Radio suddenly becomes Fun, again.
I have nothing against those Hams who choose to only use a Vertical, or an all band wire antenna. But speaking only for me, I think a small beam with a small amp are essential for maximum enjoyment of my Hobby!
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Save A Lot Of Money On A Hex Beam !
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on: January 15, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
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KA7NIQ, I agree...partially. From the East Coast, if his timing was right and he was running high power, maybe he WAS doing it right. He might have been better off if he simply called CQ DX instead while beaming Asia. If he's expecting somebody other than JA or UA0 to come back to him, it might be slim pickings at this time. Hoping for BY or HS or XV to respond to his call is *very* optimistic and not as realistic as 5 elements at 70 feet. Certainly he won't be making his own pileups with the hex at that height.
However, I have done similar things with my Hex, but it was in the summer and I was beaming at JA at my sunset. I called CQ DX from East Coast and got a few JA stations to come back to me. But I timed it right and knew I had a good chance at that time. And I was using an amp. And I knew there were other JA stations around.
Honestly, I have found better luck with the hex when I did Search and Pounce for DX. It just seems more realistic and I get really good results.
ZENKI, I like your post very much. However, with all due respect, I disagree with the assertion that the hex is 1-2 dB within the Optibeam. The hex is basically a 2 element wire yagi. It is not even in the same category as a four or five element, optimally spaced yagi. Some compromises for multi-band yagis are made, but a single band 4 or 5 element yagi on any band will wreck a hex beam (except in a few very rare circumstances for specific angles where the yagi may have a null). No contest.
For everyday DX use, why spend $5K on an Optibeam when you could have a Hex. But for rare DX, there is no subsitute for LOTS OF METAL WAY UP IN THE SKY.
I agree, and disagree a bit. Many times the Hams fortunate to have the means to own big, monoband Yagi's, also have the means to stick them way up in the air as well! IOW, it is as much the TOWER HEIGHT talking sometimes, as it is a few extra elements. Back when I lived in Seattle, A Ham had a large 20 meter monobander. It was a KLM Big Sticker, remember them ? High Winds blew it apart. So, until it could be repaired, an old 3 element Hy Gain 20 meter monobander was stuck in it's place, on top of the 120 foot Tower. The result ? The KLM Big Sticker never got fixed! The rugged little Hy Gain 3 element 20 meter monobander stayed up there for 6 years! It faced several winds that would have blown the KLM Big Sticker apart. We all thought the little Hy Gain 3 element monobander would be a big let down, compared to the twice the boom length, and more elements KLM Big Sticker. How wrong we all turned out to be! He still cracked pileups with it, and held down frequencies in contests. Plus, the rugged little antenna was always up and operational, when the "big guys" were broke down.
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eHam Forums / Licensing / RE: I Am Confused
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on: January 14, 2013, 05:16:28 PM
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At this time, the FCC is not promoting Advanced class licensees to Extras, and has announced no plans to do so in the future.
The only sense in which the FCC "did away" with the Advanced class license is that they're not issuing any more of them. Any existing Advanced licenses can be renewed indefinitely.
Thanks for enlightening me. I hear the new Extra Exam is a breeze, compared to the old Advanced I passed.
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eHam Forums / Licensing / I Am Confused
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on: January 14, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
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I hold an Advanced Class License. Someone told me it will "turn into" an Extra Class License, because the FCC Did away with the Advanced Class License ? I am in no hurry to upgrade to Extra, but what is the truth about us Advanced Class License Holders ? LOL, I may just DIE with my Advanced Class License, since there aren't gonna be any more of us 
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Save A Lot Of Money On A Hex Beam !
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on: January 14, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
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You will be doing everyone a favor producing even cheaper hexbeams.
Hexbeam owners seem to be like a swarm of bees on the air now. So many stations using them and they certainly seem to work well.
It would be nice if every station who owns a G5RV, Windom/OCF, vertical or bits of wire all buy a hexbeam. The success of these antennas speak for themselves.
I also notice that stations with hexbeams get on the air more and seem to be working the bands calling CQ like real hams, and because they have an effective antenna they are working the world.
If you cant afford a Optibeam or steppir antenna get a hexbeam, they so close in performance that it does not matter. Nobody can measure or see 1 or 2 db difference between the Hexbeam and bigger antennas.
The point is that if you own a hexbeam you will have a better signal than most other stations that use bits of wire and verticals.
I think the Hexbeam gets my vote for the antenna of the decade award. The hexbeam is becoming the G5RV of beams. The big difference is that the hexbeams puts out a signal that leaves the G5RV sounding like a dummy load.
Someone should pass a law that if you a ham and you dont have a beam up already, it should be law that you go out and put up a hexbeam or your license will be cancelled! Even if its only on a 30ft pole.
I agree! I heard one Ham from the east coast call CQ DX on 17, and said he was "beaming Asia" with his little Hex Beam, at 30 feet, LOL I had to give him an A for effort, but at only 30 feet, reminded him the only thing he was "beaming" were earthworms!
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Amount of radials for Verticals
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on: January 13, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
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It's basically a half wave wire (just like a dipole) with the ends bent around so maximum current is in the continuous vertical section. It is fed off-center (at the bottom) where the impedance is 50 ohms (with proper adjustment of the dimensions.)
It might not look like a conventional OCFD, but if you moved the feedpoint up to the center of the continuous vertical section, you'd have trouble explaining why it isn't a vertical dipole with bent ends.
So, IS it truly a vertical w/o any need for radials, or not ?
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Amount of radials for Verticals
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on: January 11, 2013, 07:41:22 AM
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Believe me there's no reason to play with lossy ground radials.
It's the ground that is lossy, not the radials. Radials reduce the ground losses. But there's no reason even to have radials, radials are usually on or in the ground and therefore are lossy, ie. part of the ground. Get rid of the radials and have an effective antenna with a real 50Ω input. If you don't want to believe me, go for it. I have low angle radiation, no ground issues and a multi-band antenna. And I don't string wires all over the ground, just in the air. All I do is isolate the antenna from the coax and ground with a ferrite current choke and all the problems go away. It's really kind of like an off center fed dipole that's been choked off the ground. All I can say is try it. It's cheap, easy and only requires one support and some PVC for a spreader. But there are Luddites all over the place, including me, but I don't put up with inefficient low radiation resistance verticals. There's no need. Things really do progress as time goes on. Dave N3DT Would you care to post more info, it sounds too good to be true.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Mobile HF loop
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on: January 08, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
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I worked a Ham on 40 meters once who was mobile, in a tractor trailer, using a big rectangular loop, on his own trailer! His goal was a high angle 40 and 75 meter signal only, but he said he had some success with it on 20 meters ? I lived back in Seattle at that time, can't recall his Callsign. But, he was always heard in the northwestern states, back in the 80's.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: If Trapless Yagi's Were "Better" Don't You Think
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on: January 08, 2013, 09:13:55 AM
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Please give me the call sign of these engineers , individual you spoke with . I will contact them my self. But people will say any thing to make a sale !
A friend of mine had a TH6DX up at 50 feet plus a A3 we ran many on the air test. He running a KW . Me using 100 watts, He could NEVER beat my Quad on receive or transmit . He took them down and put a 3 el Steppir up and DXing changed to the better for him.
Sorry They said - HE Said - They Said - You Say !
Read "Array of Light "
Besides that traps are subject to water and spiders getting in them.
Another friend of mine had hy-gain and crushcraft trapped beams and gave up on them and switched to Force 12, never to go back to trapped beam. Because of moisture and spiders in the traps.
Traps are a thing of the pass IMHO
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LOL, my "whole life" would improve, if I put up a 3 element SteppIR too! Understand it has been many many years since I spoke to the engineers at Hy Gain, so I do not recall who it was I spoke to. But, use your common sense here, for a minute. You make trap triband yagi antennas, a trapless design comes out for a triband yagi, what DO you do ? Allow this "superior design" to take your sales ? Heck no, you test this antenna, to SEE if it is really better then your design. And if it is, then you copy or improve it. AS far as "HE Said - They Said - You Say " goes, it is highly unlikely, IMHO, that your Quad with 100 watts would beat, let alone equal, a TH 6DXX with a Kilowatt. LOL, unless the wind blew it 180 degrees off the mark. I think modeling has show Quads are NOT the magical antennas some thought they were ? Nearly every maker of Quad antennas has bit the dust, that may tell you something ? Read this http://www.w8ji.com/quad_cubical_quad.htm
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: If Trapless Yagi's Were "Better" Don't You Think
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on: January 07, 2013, 12:41:12 PM
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Hi Chris ,
I would like to suggest to you and every one reading this thread. go and purchase "Array of Light" Third Edition , Straight talk about antennas and related subjects By Tom Schiller, N6BT
This book was written by former owner of Force 12 as most know .
When you read and study the material in this book you should be soon convinced that trapped antenna are NOT superior to trap less beams.
My other point to readers here is this . What do contest stations use for beams ? If trapped beams were so good . Every contest stations would use them instead of mono band beams and mono band beam stacks. Just think , they could have just one tower and save a lot of money!
On the new rage of of dxing , I will point out go and look at DX Leaderboards , What beams and antennas are the top leaders using at their stations ?
Gain is Gain bottom line . No one here will convince me that a wide spaced optimized tri band yagi beam as my C-31XR with 14.5 dbi gain will be beat out by some little old trapped beams, Steppir beams , or Quads for that matter. I have tested many many antenna. Talked to many contest station owners as well as professional installer. Have done many on the air test against Quads , trapped beams , motorized beams. And owned some.
Chris , Why do you think I own a Force 12 C-31XR ?
Gain is Gain and trapless beam is less worry and less lots of troubles.
Buy what you can afford and use what is best for your location . But don't believe a trapped beam is better than a Force 12 !
73 JIM
Whoa Buddy  No one is saying a trapped antenna is superior to a non trapped monobander! Full sized is always best, with no traps. Here is what I am saying, I am not convinced full sized non trapped triband yagi's are "always better" then their trapped alternatives. Anytime you have a bunch of Yagis on a single boom, there is going to be degrading interaction. Computer Model all you want. The more you look at poop, the more it stinks  I know for a FACT some of these full size non trap multiband Yagi's were tested by Hy Gain, back in the day, on their huge antenna range, by engineers who knew how to use it.
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