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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Confused About Random Wires, Long Wires, Baluns, Ununs, Grounds, Etc.
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on: Today at 07:49:45 AM
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Grounding the coax shield to the tower at the feedpoint will allow the tower to serve as the ground/radial portion of the antenna. How well it performs this task will depend on the height of the tower, how well it is grounded at the base, how the guy wires are attached, etc. It is quite possible for the tower to be well grounded, but of such a length that it presents a high impedance to RF at the feedpoint. (Performance depends on the electrical height of the tower in wavelengths, so it will vary from one band to the next.)
For lightning protection, the most important places to ground the coax shield are at the base of the tower, and again before it enters the house.
With regards to your previous question about bending the wire, that will change the radiation patterns, but the antenna will still work.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: How to add an inverted V support above my tower rotator
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on: Today at 07:21:08 AM
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I'd hang the center of the vee from the tower using a meter or so of rope, and let that wrap around the tower as it rotates. This works best if the antenna is being pulled away from the tower somewhat. You can just allow enough sag in the wires that they don't pull tight, or put a counterweight on the ends that will maintain constant tension.
When the vee is exactly in line with the tower, probably the easiest way is to put a counterweight on one end so it pulls the feedpoint in that direction, and put a smaller one - or just a bit of slack - in the other side. That allows the mast to rotate without stretching the antenna.
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eHam Forums / HomeBrew / RE: Optimum Selectivity for Q5er Converter
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on: Yesterday at 09:52:13 PM
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Slug all the way in (i.e. lowest selectivity)...
Perhaps you are misunderstanding what the slug does: it changes the inductanceof the coil, not the selectivity of the circuit. There may be a small difference in the selectivity due to a change in the L/C ratio and the Q of the coil, but it will be relatively minor. The capacitance required to tune to a specific frequency will change, of course, as the inductance changes. If the coil is designed to tune 6 to 18 MHz using a 40 - 365pf variable capacitor, then the nominal inductance of the coil can be calculated as ~2uH. That means it would require around 1000pf to tune 80m. From your data, we can see that moving the slug to the bottom of the coil increases the inductance to about 20%, and at the very top of the coil it lowers the inductance by about 20%. This is typical of many such coils, though sometimes there will be a peak near the middle with lower values at each end. It doesn't really matter which setting of the coil you use, as long as you have the proper capacitance across it to tune it to the desired frequency. There are some practical limits to the variable capacitor as it gets too big or too small, and you also need to consider the tuning rate (whether you can adjust the capacitor accurately enough given the coverage of 180 degrees of rotation: in the regard using a larger fixed capacitor will tend to spread the 80m band out over more of the range of the capacitor.) So you can use a fixed capacitor on 40m and adjust the coil slug for resonance, then switch in the variable (and possibly another fixed capacitor) on 80m to have the ability to cover the band as desired. But adjusting the coil slug really doesn't change the selectivity of the circuit.
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eHam Forums / HomeBrew / RE: Optimum Selectivity for Q5er Converter
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on: Yesterday at 09:08:14 AM
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I'd agree that it would be optimum not to have to adjust the converter tuning across one band, though if you needed to use two settings to cover 80m that wouldn't be the end of the world. In fact, if that is the converter I'm remembering, I'd use a single band switch to select the coil/capacitor combinations for 80/40m rather than relying on a variable capacitor to tune between them. Generally that would mean a fixed mica with a small trimmer for each coil on each band, though you could use a single fixed mica on 40m and adjust the coil inductance for alignment.
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Franklin collinear array - how to match
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on: May 22, 2013, 10:28:54 AM
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Unfortunately I have EZNEC running on a computer that is not connected to the internet. I may be able to transfer the file off using a thumb drive, but it probably is faster to create your own. It isn't difficult: Start with a full wave dipole (two half waves) fed in the center, then add a quarter wave wire going down, a single segment horizontal wire a couple inches long, another quarter wave wire going up, and the final 1/2 radiator on each end. Just make sure you use the same number of segments in each of the vertical wires that make up the stubs.
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Franklin collinear array - how to match
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on: May 21, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
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You could tweak the feedline length to see if it makes any difference, but if you're happy with the SWR then just use it.
Isn't it great when you put something together and it works first time? And that SWR is pretty much what EZNEC predicted when it came up with a feedpoint impedance of 1600 ohms.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: HEXBEAM Tilt Mount Base or Push up Pole?
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on: May 21, 2013, 07:34:55 AM
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The mast sections are about 1 7/8" diameter aluminum with 3/16" thick walls (as near as I could tell in a dim corner of the garage.) They're actually pretty strong and relatively light, especially compared to steel. But by keeping the forces mostly vertical as I put them up there really isn't much sideways pressure on the joints.
I have some similar fiberglass sections that I've stacked to 40' all by myself, though they need multiple guy ropes at that height because the joints aren't nearly as strong: I've had some break out from the force of the wind sideways on a 24' mast.
Similar sections could be made from other local materials. One limitation is the weight: you have to be able to lift the mast sections + antenna and rotator enough to slip in the next section. For longer sections a step ladder may come in handy, but keeping the sections relatively short makes it easier.
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Help with vertical for 80m
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on: May 20, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
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A typical 43' vertical would have an impedance (ignoring ground losses) around 12-j500 on 75m. That's 12 ohms resistance and 500 ohms capacitive reactance. You can cancel the -j500 with a series coil, but that still leaves you with 12 ohms. Without the un-un, that's best case SWR of about 4 : 1.
If the un-un has a perfect 4 : 1 ratio, it would step the 12 ohms DOWN to 3 ohms, for an SWR of about 16 : 1.
Depending on your ground system, the ground loss could add 5 to 50 ohms to the R value, which will improve the SWR (though at a corresponding loss of efficiency.)
In this case, removing the un-un will improve the SWR considerably. The same goes on 160m, where R is perhaps 3 ohms: you don't want to step that down any further. (In practice the un-un is not perfect, and the shunt reactance may serve to increase the R value that you have to match.)
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: HEXBEAM Tilt Mount Base or Push up Pole?
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on: May 20, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
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I use the 4' military surplus aluminum mast sections, and two people can easily put up a tribander to 32'. (I was going to do it by myself to show it could be done, but another ham insisted on helping me. Three people is probably the most convenient number: two to lift and one to feed sections.)
I put the antenna on top of two sections of mast, attach the guy ropes (approximate lengths), and walk towards one of the guy anchors until the other two guys are tight. At that point I should be able to set the mast on the ground and lean it against the two guys while I pick up the next mast section. Pick up the mast and antenna (moving slightly towards the guy anchors, but while keeping it leaning slightly against the guy ropes), slip in the next section of mast, and lower it back down. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Though with a big antenna on top I'd generally put up just the mast and get it positioned where I want it, tie off the guy ropes, then lower it back down and put the antenna on.
The 4' mast sections are about as long as I can manage: 5' TV mast sections would be too tall (though they could be cut down.) There are some 3' or 32" sectional masts available which would be better, or you can make your own.
Because the mast is always vertical it doesn't have the bending moment, and the weight involved is less than trying to tip up the same antenna load.
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eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: "K5RP Low Profile Verticals for HF" from Compendium 2 questions
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on: May 20, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
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W4RNL included those designs in his survey of ground-independent vertically polarized antennas. Those articles are now behind the AntenneX paywall, but you may find an occasional sample file to read, or they'll be happy to sell you access.
But basically they are a fairly high Q, narrow bandwidth approach to building a low vertically polarized antenna. You still have ground losses, both near field and far field that will depend on ground conditions, but probably not as bad as for a conventional vertical antenna of the same height fed against a set of ground radials. I've modeled a couple such designs and they seem to work about as claimed.
The exact height isn't critical: as tall as possible will improve efficiency, as will using reasonably large wire. (Not a good time to use galvanized steel fence wire or that spool of #32 magnet wire you have laying around.) With the right height, folding the wire will give you a direct 50 ohm match, but if you can make it higher the improvement might be worth a bit of impedance matching.
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Balun 1.1
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on: May 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
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While a 1 : 1 balun is the proper ratio to use, that particular balun doesn't have enough inductance in the windings to work much below 10m or so.
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eHam Forums / VHF / UHF / RE: Can a Scanner Antenna live next to a 2 meter beam?
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on: May 20, 2013, 10:37:21 AM
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The antenna itself won't do anything to your scanner.
Transmitting on 2m using an antenna close to your scanner antenna may, however, damage your scanner, or at least cause it not to work as expected while you are transmitting on 2m. That effect is basically independent of what antenna you are using for each: the more critical issue is the distance and coupling between the two antennas.
That said, I've seen any number of installations where a scanner antenna was installed beside VHF/UHF transmitting antennas without damage. (Our Search and Rescue van had at least 10 antennas on the roof, one of which fed a scanner, and we didn't have any issues.)
What you do NOT want to do, however, is to run the coax for any other antenna up through the middle of the yagi, as it will distort the pattern. Mounting the yagi on a stand-off to the side of a tower or mast is a good idea, as it also keeps the mast or tower itself from affecting the pattern.
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eHam Forums / Elmers / RE: Balun 1.1
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on: May 20, 2013, 09:13:18 AM
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Looks like a traditional air-core 1 : 1 voltage balun.
With 12 turns of wire on 1" diameter pipe it might have enough inductance to work at 10m.
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