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46  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: AN wireless tower on: July 04, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
Probably, putting the whole tower, antenna and coax on the tower like you want it while laid out in the yard.  Just pay someone who has a small crane, elevating platform etc. to come over and stand it up when you are ready.

You are talking about a self supporting tower - so no guy wires.  Talk to the tower suppier about the proper foundation for such a tower - it is a major expense, but will keep your tower from laying down on you in a storm.

I have an 80' Heights Tower that folds over with a gearmotor to do all the work.  I can stay on the ground and along side of it and work on the antennas, coax ties, etc. My foundation is 10' deep and 48" in diameter!  It took 5 CY of concrete and a lot of steel. So, scaling it down for a 50' tower you can figure that it is still a major factor in having a self supporting tower.


Good Luck

73  Walter K5KNE
47  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Antenna Foundation / Mast Question on: July 04, 2012, 07:44:18 PM

The "footing" is not a big deal. When you get your house bracket in place drop a plumb bob or just a weight on a piece of string to center the hole in the ground. Just dig a little depression like the start of a fence post and put the butt of the pipe in it - backfill it.  The attachment to the house is of much more importance - like some of the above posts have said.  A good house bracket for a mast will do the job - be sure you are screwing or bolting into a 2x or something more than just the facia board.

Good luck on your project.

Walter   K5KNE
48  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Why so many more Yagis than quads? on: July 04, 2012, 07:24:46 PM
Quads are really very good antennas and I thought that I picked up less noise on them. I made one years ago and it really worked well. I moved several times and had it configured to only 10 meters finally. Today, I use a tri-bander yagi

The 20 meter quad is a very large antenna. It is a challenge to put together and put up on a tower. It is not a very pretty sight to the neighbors either. But, 15 and 10 meter loops can be inside the 20 meter loops.

I think tuning a quad to frequency is more difficult that a yagi. Also, if you have other antennas on the tower, - the quad monopolizes the top area of the tower.  You can put a vertical, say for 2 meters, sticking thru the top of the quad, but if you want to make lower band inverted vee antennas out of the guy wires - they have to attach to the tower well below the quad - say 10' below the top.

Commercial quads are good and you would like one. A yagi is a lot easier to put toether and get in place on the tower. Yagis are almost maintenance free and last for years.
Good luck on finding the right antenna for you.

73  Walter K5KNE

49  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Universal 9-50 Tower Raising on: July 04, 2012, 03:12:56 PM
I don't know what your financial situation is, but I have a Heights Tower that I really like.  It is aluminum and is 80' tall. It fold over with a gearmotor.  Check out Heights Towers on internet.  I am old and can't climb or do much work anymore, so the foldover tower is really nice when I want to change something about my antennas.

Walter  K5KNE
50  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Tower raising w/ dead man post on: July 04, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
Tower erecting is a lot of work and prone to accidents.  I rigged a lot of crazy antennas in my past and had some failures some sucesses.

Today with the light cranes and platforms available, I would recommend you just hire someone to stick your tower up when you get everything right on the top and the coax tied to a leg. While they hold it, you can attach your guys and you are through with it and you can enjoy your hamming.

I have seen towers fall, buckle, and antennas break off while raising the tower up from horizontal to vertical. Making a pulling post is a good idea and if you have a hinge and winch your idea should work fine. Get some good advice about just how the pulling post should be set and the winch, cable set up to use. There is a lot of bending moment on the post when the tower load is horizontal. The winch and cable sure needs to be over designed.

Walter  K5KNE
51  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: 30 ft freestanding masts?? on: July 04, 2012, 02:43:09 PM
I would opt for the telephone poles in your situation.  What you propose may work fine, but it is not worth the materials and work needed to get the antenna up only 30' high.

I have had all sorts of antenna supports and antennas over 50+ years of being a ham. Some were really terrible. The utility of having fold over supports that you will seldom ever fold over is not worth the effort. A pole with a pully near the top will last a long time and be a lot easier to use. Be sure they run a ground wire from the top, down the pole and spiral coiled to the base of the pole - for lightning protection. I hope that you realize that the loop you propose to put up is also a big "lighting catcher" - so disconect your antenna when not using it.

A lot of utility companies use contractors to do the jobs they used to do with their own people. If you check around you might find one that has or is pulling some poles somewhere and will be reasonable to set them where you would like.  As a Civil Engineer, I would not plan on dreaming up a foundation or concrete setting of a pole or support without knowing more about the soil conditions etc.  If you do decide to do this - get some good advice.

Good luck on your project.

Walter  K5KNE

 
52  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Home Brew Questiom on: July 04, 2012, 02:22:15 PM
Don't make the problem harder than it really is. A resonant antenna on the working frequency or frequencies is best. A fan dipole (several wires for different bands) works O.K.
Your multi-band vertical is very similar, but you probably aren't going to get much return on your efforts.

Having every band may not be necessary either.  Put up a simple dipole for a band and try it.
Change it to be for another band and try that. Find the one you like best and use it.  Like you do with ice cream - you don't need to have every flavor they sell. Get the one you like and enjoy it.

Verticals offer some hidden challenges that simple dipoles don't. A friend once told me " A vertical antenna radiates equally poorly in all directions".  Without a very good ground radial system - this is very true.

Ham radio used to be an experimental hobby.  Today many hams are looking for a simple all band solution in their radios and antennas. Just try something, if it doesn't work - try something else something else.

73  Walter K5KNE
53  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: Tooooo many opinions .... on: July 04, 2012, 02:05:21 PM
Try it both ways and see which one seems to be better.  It has been either way sucessfully.

Walter K5KNE
54  eHam Forums / Antennas and Towers and more / RE: New Cushcraft A3S install: Issues and questions. on: July 04, 2012, 02:00:44 PM
I use an A3 and have recently refurbished it by cleaning and new trap caps.  It is a very good antenna and should serve you well.

I would be reluctant to run high power into antenna that was not pretty close to the operating frequencies I use. Antenna tuners make your transmitter think things are right, but if the antenna is not resonant - you are asking for problems with high power. Working on getting the antenna adjusted to as good as it is capabable of being would be my priority - not higher power.

Walter K5KNE
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