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Author Topic: is a new operating coming out?  (Read 13364 times)
KC8Y
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« on: September 29, 2016, 05:16:54 AM »

Will there be a new operating system  (beyond W10) coming out/when?Huh

I'm thinking about getting a new computer April/May, 2017. 


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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 07:28:28 AM »

Will there be a new operating system  (beyond W10) coming out/when?Huh

I'm thinking about getting a new computer April/May, 2017.  


Ken KC8Y

There will not be a Win 11 for several years. MS is taking a different approach with 10. It is a modular OS in that they keep adding to it with large updates. Next one slated for first half 2017. RTM was ver 1507 in July 2015 and then 1511 in Nov 2015 and current version released August 2016 is 1607. This number will likely jump to 17xx in 2017. Only thing you gain between now and April/May 2017 is hardware improvements as it is changing quicker than OS getting faster yet and more energy efficient too.  
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 07:35:56 AM »

The newest version of Linux mint (or even Ubuntu) is a good bet. Certainly better than Windows. The latest Windows problem is Microsoft now only release rolled-up updates - you can't separate them any longer so you can't tell what's in them. That, along with the inherent insecurity of Windows 10 (really nothing better than malware) suggests you're better off moving to Linux of some flavor or the MacOS*.


*Unless you want to be spied on...
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 07:42:39 AM »

The newest version of Linux mint (or even Ubuntu) is a good bet

If you want to cut nose off to spite your face it is. Same with MAC OS. Apps on Windows out number Linux and MAC apps 15 or 20 to 1. Plus Linux cannot begin to exploit new chipset and CPU features like 10 was written to support.  LInux on old XP hardware might have some merit but on state of art hardware it is not a wise move.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 08:36:38 AM »

Well, the easy response is "you're batshit crazy" but that is low-hanging fruit.

You cite no source and, looking at some of your other "authoritative" postings you have no clue as to what is what.

By the way, the only people who use "apps" are tweens who may play with them. Most people download an app and use it once. Waste of time... http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/16-percent-of-mobile-userstry-out-a-buggy-app-more-than-twice/
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 08:44:42 AM »

The newest version of Linux mint (or even Ubuntu) is a good bet

If you want to cut nose off to spite your face it is. Same with MAC OS. Apps on Windows out number Linux and MAC apps 15 or 20 to 1
And a lot of those Windows only applications are crap. In addition, if the application types you need/want run under GNU/Linux, MacOS or Android, it doesn't matter what runs under Windows.
. Plus Linux cannot begin to exploit new chipset and CPU features like 10 was written to support.  LInux on old XP hardware might have some merit but on state of art hardware it is not a wise move.
You have no idea what the Linux devs are doing. You never have, and you probably never will.

How's that rusty antenna with the single ground rod working out for you?

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2016, 09:50:16 AM »

With any luck Microsoft will not inflict a new system on us for five or 10 years.  By that time I'll be switched to Linux for most things.  Still need Windows for work but I'm moving to Linux for my own stuff.

I have stockpiled a couple copies of Windows 7 so I don't have to use Win10.  Can be installed in a virtual machine under Linux.  The fact you can't pick and choose which updates to install is a fatal flaw with Win10.  I consider Win10 to be the world's largest virus.  I don't much care about ultimate speed.  I don't play games.  If you want to do things that need RS-232 ports, find some older machines with ports on the motherboard and hide them away somewhere.  Pocket change at a hamfest.  USB com ports can give you fits. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2016, 09:56:36 AM »

The newest version of Linux mint (or even Ubuntu) is a good bet

If you want to cut nose off to spite your face it is. Same with MAC OS. Apps on Windows out number Linux and MAC apps 15 or 20 to 1
And a lot of those Windows only applications are crap. In addition, if the application types you need/want run under GNU/Linux, MacOS or Android, it doesn't matter what runs under Windows.
. Plus Linux cannot begin to exploit new chipset and CPU features like 10 was written to support.  LInux on old XP hardware might have some merit but on state of art hardware it is not a wise move.
You have no idea what the Linux devs are doing. You never have, and you probably never will.

How's that rusty antenna with the single ground rod working out for you?



Oh the troll is still alive. Linux is going backwards anyway you cut it. Somehow you seem to equate Linux use with web servers and in some corporate setting using custom built apps making it viable for main stream desktop despite very limited support for it and lastest chipset standards and features.

You comment on vertical shows what a pitiful troll your are. You cannot make a good valid argument so you try to switch subject about something else you are also clueless about and have no first hand experience. Typical troll....
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2016, 10:20:30 AM »

If you want to cut nose off to spite your face it is. Same with MAC OS.

MacOS isn't relevant to this discussion.  It only runs on Macs (and I'm not a fan of it, either).

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Apps on Windows out number Linux and MAC apps 15 or 20 to 1.

So?  With the exception of those who like Microsoft Office/Outlook, how many people use something other than cross-platform apps (Firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Wireshark, etc.)?

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Plus Linux cannot begin to exploit new chipset and CPU features like 10 was written to support.  LInux on old XP hardware might have some merit but on state of art hardware it is not a wise move.

I have Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint 17.3 on the HP laptop I'm using to type this.  Mint supports all hardware other than the touchscreen, which I don't use anyway.  And Mint is faster than Windows, at least subjectively.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2016, 11:00:10 AM »

Mint supports all hardware other than the touchscreen, which I don't use anyway.  And Mint is faster than Windows, at least subjectively.

Touch screen is wave of future and I have a laptop that supports it too and would not give that up. As far as speed of execution, that depends a LOT of hardware it is run on. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 11:30:11 AM »

Mint supports all hardware other than the touchscreen, which I don't use anyway.  And Mint is faster than Windows, at least subjectively.

Touch screen is wave of future and I have a laptop that supports it too and would not give that up. As far as speed of execution, that depends a LOT of hardware it is run on. 

Did you not read John? Same machine, 2 operating systems so he has a direct comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2016, 12:06:35 PM »


So?  With the exception of those who like Microsoft Office/Outlook, how many people use something other than cross-platform apps (Firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Wireshark, etc.)?


I have some CAD software for which I paid real money so I'll still need a Windows machine.  And, I would still actually prefer Windows if they had not made such a mess out of it.  They have put a lot of effort into the user interface.  The security problems are Microsoft's own fault.  The perpetual updates have become so intrusive that I turned them off.  When they decided to stick Win10 'upgrade' hooks into the updates so you had to be vigilant about what you allowed, that was highly annoying.  I know several people who irrecoverably trashed their machines with the 'upgrade'. 

But, the Linux crowd seems to have made and kept it difficult and unattractive just on general principles.   I've used open source as well as Red Hat and Suse.  They can span the range from just ugly to dysfunctional.  "We don't want it to look like Windows."  Well, I mostly like the Windows look and feel.  I've used DOS since version 1.0.  Moving away from Windows isn't because I like Linux so much.  It's just because the Windows travesties have finally tilted the balance.  And, because the Linux user interface is *slowly* improving despite their best efforts.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2016, 01:04:27 PM »

Mint supports all hardware other than the touchscreen, which I don't use anyway.  And Mint is faster than Windows, at least subjectively.

Touch screen is wave of future and I have a laptop that supports it too and would not give that up. As far as speed of execution, that depends a LOT of hardware it is run on. 

Did you not read John? Same machine, 2 operating systems so he has a direct comparison.

Sure I read but runing it and having it exploit hardware is two different things. New hardware has several levels of sleep and can do things while sleeping and Win 8x and 10 API is written to exploit this Linux is not. ALso there is still the 15 to 20x more apps for Win platform. Going to linux is kinda like loading 5 year old os on a smart phone dah....
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2016, 01:49:04 PM »

Err Android is Linux or it was last time I looked
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2016, 02:42:30 PM »

The newest version of Linux mint (or even Ubuntu) is a good bet

If you want to cut nose off to spite your face it is. Same with MAC OS. Apps on Windows out number Linux and MAC apps 15 or 20 to 1
And a lot of those Windows only applications are crap. In addition, if the application types you need/want run under GNU/Linux, MacOS or Android, it doesn't matter what runs under Windows.
. Plus Linux cannot begin to exploit new chipset and CPU features like 10 was written to support.  LInux on old XP hardware might have some merit but on state of art hardware it is not a wise move.
You have no idea what the Linux devs are doing. You never have, and you probably never will.

How's that rusty antenna with the single ground rod working out for you?



Oh the troll is still alive.
Hey moderators... he calls me a troll, what names or epithets am I allowed to call him?
Linux is going backwards anyway you cut it.
Not true. For one thing the most installed mobile operating system uses Linux.
Somehow you seem to equate Linux use with web servers and in some corporate setting using custom built apps making it viable for main stream desktop
First, I am very well aware of the differences between servers and desktops. Apps? Really? You're comparing mobile applications with corporate applications?
It is viable for main stream desktop use.
despite very limited support for it and lastest chipset standards and features.
AGAIN, you have no idea what the Linux devs are doing. You never have, and you probably never will.
You comment on vertical shows what a pitiful troll your are.
Hey moderators... he calls me a troll, what names or epithets am I allowed to call him?
You cannot make a good valid argument so you try to switch subject about something else you are also clueless about and have no first hand experience. Typical troll....
You never seem to get the comparison. You have a rusted vertical antenna with a single ground stake and no real RF ground. But it works for you. And that's good for you.
People use older Windows systems or non windows systems quite successfully and they are happy with the results, and you harp on them, pushing an operating system they don't want or need.
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