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Author Topic: What makes you the most reluctant to answer a CQ?  (Read 10835 times)
KC4ZGP
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2017, 09:14:19 AM »


How many do the civil thing let the individual know his or her fist is difficult to copy because of...?

I ask folks to slow down.

Civility makes the operator.

On 18.087MHz, Morse, right now.

Kraus
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VK5EEE
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2017, 09:21:32 AM »

How many do the civil thing let the individual know his or her fist is difficult to copy because of...?
Thankfully few, as I find that no ones fist is bad, if I cannot copy a fist it's because of MY deficiency. There's hardly a fist I cannot copy mind you!

I ask folks to slow down.
So you should, I never object to a "QRS"

Civility makes the operator.

On 18.087MHz, Morse, right now.

Kraus
[/quote]17m is mostly closed here and being after midnight... only 30m and down is open but time for ZZZ! 73!
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2017, 10:26:20 AM »


Gute Nacht.

Kraus
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K1HMS
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2017, 10:13:21 PM »

I look for CQs that I can copy up to 17 wpm. I find code below 13 wpm is often bad due to no spaces, all dahs, or microsecond dits. At slow rates bad spacing isn't a real problem for me.

If someone is at 25 wpm and up they can wait for someone in their league. I'm not going to spoil their day. With a QRS they typically slow down but then pepper me with ?? every time I take a extra second or two. Thinking, logging, finding the pencil, and sending code is a load. A few ?? prompts doesn't help.

Bad Pro-signs or perfect code are a tip off the code is computer sent. This is often a set up where the hand sent code that follows is un-readable. I avoid these after too many surprises.

If  the callers previous QSOs sounded like a Army weather report with numerous abbreviations and numbers or BK after nearly every word I spin the dial.

So the range of acceptable CQs for me is narrow, for now. Not too fast or slow, normal spacing, enough english text I can miss a character or two and still get it, and not overly verbose.

A possible way to get more CQ Responses:
Calling CQ for hours a day for a solid week during Thirteen Colonies (K2K) I heard it all including a "chirp" that was more of a whooping sound, at 3 AM I needed a chuckle. Everyone I heard I tried to work including those sending just dahs at 5 wpm or code with zero spaces. For those at 15-20 with no spaces I sent "spacing" and it actually helped.

After long hours in the chair and the "quality" QSO have dropped off you try things like sending slower. If I was getting a lot of agn? instead of slowing down I left the keyer at 15 wpm and tried increasing my spacing, it really helped. (my normal spacing was fine) I then started calling CQ with the increased spacing and improved my Q rate for a while.

Before the trolls attack I not suggesting we bastardize the code by changing the spacing. To accommodate a noob in 1966 they needed 5 or so wpm,  to accommodate a noob in 2017 they may need 15-20 wpm but increased spacing.

Many don't like to hear this but a lot of new CW ops didn't start at 5 wpm and work their way up to 13 wpm. LCWO, Ham Morse and the rest of the on-line tools suggest you start day one at 15-20 wpm with a spacing of 8-10 wpm. There is a great link in this forum with 1942 WW2 US Army code training audio. They start day 1 at 15 wpm with long spaces. Koch/Farnsworth isn't new, just more common today. The goal is to learn by sound at a speed that precludes counting dits and dahs. Blame the rule change, computers, and "smart" phones. I'm just the messager, if I could go back to 1966, find a buddy, and finish practicing for the novice test I would.

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KC4ZGP
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2017, 10:02:25 AM »


Computer Morse code.

Hmmm..

Kind of takes the skill part out of the picture doesn't it.

I think my fist is OK. 17 meters dead all week. I do hear A.R.R.L. code practice and bulletins
and a beacon in the Caribbean.

Kraus
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VK5EEE
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2017, 09:05:05 PM »

What Caribbean beacon please, frequency and callsign? 73
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2017, 10:12:27 PM »

What makes you decide you won't answer a particular CQ?

If they are in a DXCC that I have worked and have confirmed I might not answer, if they are busy I wont bother adding to the QRM. I do not care for rag chewing, nets and old men's interests, so mostly I answer things of interest, SOTA, WWFF and DX i have not worked before, etc.
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2017, 06:09:05 AM »

im reluctant to answer a hand sent cq unless well sent my rx isnt great but getting there. if i hear vk5eee i will answer lou his cw is good unless he is using a cootie cause my hearing doesnt like it. i answer sota and wwff ops with the paddle not the key board. While my sending it getting pretty solid now i still get nervous . like the time i answered a cq and i ended up with the pile up in a local contest cause i had a reasonable signal. i'm not a rag chewer and prefer not to in cw but have done it with a few russians just pleasantries. They are very good cw ops and cope well with my  mistakes.
i cq on 10m to test if the band is open generally hand sent to ja. sometime you get some great code back and others its very hard to copy so i just 5nn tu 73
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OZ8AGB
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2017, 06:19:20 AM »


Computer Morse code.

Hmmm..

Kind of takes the skill part out of the picture doesn't it.

I think my fist is OK. 17 meters dead all week. I do hear A.R.R.L. code practice and bulletins
and a beacon in the Caribbean.

Kraus

Yup. So what about these so-called CW Contests? Most is computer generated. No sending skills needed here...
Like running a Marathon with one motorized leg.

Asked a contester why computer generated CW. The answer "otherwise I will get tired in my arm". Ah really? So what?
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W3TTT
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2017, 08:33:28 AM »

What makes you the most reluctant to answer a CQ?
1. Can't copy because too fast.  What's your rush?  Is 12 WPM too fast to call CQ and chat? I will answer a CQ at 5 wpm or less! 
2. Can't copy because weight is way off.
3. Can't copy because letters run together. 

Notice a pattern?
A few times, I answered (at my 12 wpm) a CQ sent at say 30 wpm, but received no reply.  That said:

What makes you reluctant to take a reply to your CW CQ?   Huh

And when would you decide you don't want to operate at 12-18 wpm and just turn the big knob?

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KH6AQ
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2017, 11:59:49 AM »

Overly long CQs and CQ DX. As a KH6 some consider me DX but I feel that some (many?) do not.
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2017, 05:06:21 PM »

Sloppy sending by an experienced operator and many a time with a paddle not a strait key. When someone sends characters without leaving any space in between the letters. Makes it very difficult to even figure out their call. You hear a station with a very strong signal call cq for 30 minutes without a response. How do they know hear themselves? I feel bad but how do you tell someone that they have a horrible fist.
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VK5EEE
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2017, 05:44:33 PM »

Sloppy sending by an experienced operator and many a time with a paddle not a strait key. When someone sends characters without leaving any space in between the letters. Makes it very difficult to even figure out their call. You hear a station with a very strong signal call cq for 30 minutes without a response. How do they know hear themselves? I feel bad but how do you tell someone that they have a horrible fist.
QSD
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2017, 07:00:01 PM »

Sloppy sending by an experienced operator and many a time with a paddle not a strait key. When someone sends characters without leaving any space in between the letters. Makes it very difficult to even figure out their call. You hear a station with a very strong signal call cq for 30 minutes without a response. How do they know hear themselves? I feel bad but how do you tell someone that they have a horrible fist.
QSD

That's it:  QSD.  Translation:  Your keying is defective.
This Q signal is used primarily in the ham and commercial CW world.  The military also uses QSD, but for the worst military offenders, it's "ZBM2", meaning "Place a competent operator on this circuit."
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Pat K7KBN
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2017, 07:02:25 PM »

My error-please delete.
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