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Author Topic: CW keyer memory - What are your preferred entries?  (Read 1864 times)
KM6HFR
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« on: August 26, 2017, 12:56:51 PM »

Tell me what you put in your cw keyer memories. Please give me your list in memory order. I am new to cw and keyers.  73, Mark KM6HFR
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2017, 01:31:30 PM »

All are empty.

I prefer to store what I want to say in my head.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2017, 03:51:33 PM »

Ditto,
My K3 has both CW and SSB memories but I don't use either.  Tested them to see that they worked and that was 3 years ago.  CW is meant to be pounded out on the brass.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2017, 03:59:22 PM »

Tell me what you put in your cw keyer memories. Please give me your list in memory order. I am new to cw and keyers.  73, Mark KM6HFR
It's been a while since I used them due to cables that need fixing not high on priority... but from memory:

* A CQ memory
* A CQ CW Net memory as I sometimes do Net Control e.g. on 2 hour long Sunday CW Net (but do it now without the memories)
* A VVV memory
* One with callsign and a 5 second dah
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 08:35:37 PM »

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I enjoy sending and receiving Morse. Using a memory to send my code would be like programming a robot to sip my single malt Scotch: a travesty.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2017, 04:47:36 AM »

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I enjoy sending and receiving Morse. Using a memory to send my code would be like programming a robot to sip my single malt Scotch: a travesty.
Grin great analogy Ray!

I must confess, in the past I have sometimes turned up the volume of the rig, turned down the side tone volume, and gone about chores in the house, and left it on CQ beacon, because down here one can call CQ for an hour or more without response during the weekdays day time. That way I produced many QSO that would not have resulted had I sat there and got tired of calling CQ. I do enjoy calling CQ but not on the same key for more than half an hour without result. So for that purpose, and during the 2-hour long Sunday CW Net, I found it useful: during the latter so I could take a leak, get a coffee, without being AWOL. I've also used in the car when CW Mobile, as there it is really not so much fun to be calling CQ without result, while driving. But my wiring came undone, and I've yet to repair it.

What is the OP (Original Posters) reason for wanting to use the memories? I guess you can just see what you may need it for. I don't recommend putting your name, QTH etc in the memory, that is done much better live on air. I think memories are used for contesting (which is not as bad cheating as using a computer IMNSHO) and for DX tourorists for UP UP and 5NN TU, also for beacons as keyers can often be put into beacon mode, and of course for situations such as those I use it for. Let us know how you decide to use yours! 73,
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2017, 06:42:04 AM »

I generally agree with the premise you don't put conversational items in memory.  Odds are excellent the QSO you have will not conform to the format or order of information you so painstakingly entered.  Memories are most handy for things you repeat often as in a contest or VHF band opening.

Generally here's what you'll find in my keyers:

Callsign only
Grid square
Exchange for whatever contest is on at the moment
Embedded S/N command and increment
Embedded S/N command decrement
TEST TEST DE K5LXP K5LXP for RBN spotting
CQ CQ CQ DE K5LXP K5LXP K in a loop for weak signal/dead band calling

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2017, 03:31:54 AM »

Mark - it all depends on your type of operating. For chasing DX, which is what I like to do, I mostly send with the paddle but for those times when I'm multi-tasking I have my memories set up like this:

M1 - K3TN
M2 - TU 5NN
M3 = ?

since those are the common things you would send trying to work any station calling CQ and looking for short contacts.

I don't call CQ a lot but I also have M4 set up to call CQ

M4 - CQ CQ CQ K3TN K3TN

I will hit M4 once or twice (no more!) and then send the final K by hand.

For ragchewing QSOs, I like to send with the paddle - for me the major point of ragchewing in CW is practicing sending. I don't have any messages to send "Name john john, QTH ashton md md" or that kind of thing, but those are common choices.

If you intend to do any contesting, most use contesting software (like N1MM) that don't really need memory keyers, but if you are going to enter CW contests you can program the exchange in - like the NA QSO Party with "name state." Depends on your memory keyer if it will handle variable exchanges - like any contest where you have to send a serial number.

73 John K3TN
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2017, 05:10:58 AM »

M1: CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE OZ8AGB PSE K
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2017, 05:59:21 AM »

On my K3 the memories are used for calling CQ and chasing DX. 

M1- CQ (3x3) - 15 second auto repeat
M2 -CQ DX (3X3) - 15 second auto repeat
M3- TU 5NN
M4 -N3HEE
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2017, 06:44:19 AM »

In the KX3 at the moment I have a bunch of short CQ calls. I might even have used most of them once or twice:

M1: CQ CQ DE M0LEP/P M0LEP/P K
M2: CQ CQ DE DL/M0LEP/P DL/M0LEP/P K
M3: CQ CQ DE ON/M0LEP/P ON/M0LEP/P K
M4: CQ CQ DE PA/M0LEP/P PA/M0LEP/P K
M5: CQ CQ DE 5Z4/M0LEP/P 5Z4/M0LEP/P K
M6: CQ CQ DE 5Z4/M0LEP 5Z4/M0LEP K

I havn't ever used the macros in the Icom 7300, but I clearly edited some of them at some point. I have:

M1: CQ CQ DE M0LEP M0LEP K
M2: UR 5NN 001 BK [inc]
M3: CFM TU
M4: CQ DE M0LEP K
M5: M0LEP
M6: UR 559 559 BK
M7: 73 E E
M8: QRZ?
-1: [dec]

The only one of those I can ever see myself using might be the first, and it's enough faff to get to that I'd probably just send it manually instead. And yes, it is "559" rather than "599" or "5NN" in M6.

M1: CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE OZ8AGB PSE K
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You forgot the "autorepeat after half a second" Wink
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KM6HFR
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2017, 05:34:47 PM »

Thanks to everyone for all the comments and ideas. 73, Mark
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2017, 07:42:50 PM »

M2 - TU 5NN
So THAT'S WHY the bands are full of 5NN TU!

M3- TU 5NN
No I know who to blame! Not just ON4UN but capable CW Ops and their memory keyers!

M4 - CQ CQ CQ K3TN K3TN

I will hit M4 once or twice (no more!) and then send the final K by hand.
So THAT'S WHY there are so many CQ without the K at the end, they can't be bothered to send the K by hand!

M1: CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE OZ8AGB PSE K
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So THAT'S WHERE those long tireless and tiresome CQ come from! Now we know!

M6: UR 559 559 BK
ot the "autorepeat after half a second" Wink
So THAT'S WHY I find second to 5NN the most common report I get is 55N! I just thought it was because contesters and DX terrorists don't know anything other than 5 and N. Never thought it was a sly way of using a precious memory slot to assuage people like me asking for an "HONEST REPORT PSE" by hitting the 55N BUTTON!!!

Me thinks I need to start a campaign against not just computers, but memory keyers. Why stop there. May be better to start a campaign against keyers. No, against KEYS. I can always compromise a little further down the track when I get hit with lots of flack "OK, OK, we'll allow keys but not keyers" or "OK we'll allow keyers but not memory keyers"  Roll Eyes

I think to kick off my campaign I'm going to program my beacon mode memory keyer as follows:

<SN>EET <SN>EET <SN>EENEENEET <SN>EET <SN>EET <SN>EENEENEET EEET V V C QC QC QDEV K5EEEV K5EEEV K5EEEC QC QC QDEV K5EEEV K5EEEV K5EEE<SN>EET <SN>EET <SN>EENEENEET VVV VVV VVV CQ CQ CQ DE VK5EEE VK5EEE VK5EEE QRX <1 second pause, /repeat>
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2017, 06:35:02 AM »

TBH, the only time I use a memory keyer is for a CQ call, and not with an autorepeat.

So THAT'S WHY I find second to 5NN the most common report I get is 55N!

Unless you've got a clear enough S-meter (and actually trust it), there's only so much signal strrength judging you can do by ear, and the 1-9 scale probably gives more options than most folk need. Chances are, outside of a Net where there are multiple stations to compare, I'll usually give one of 1, 3, 5 or 9. If you're really lucky you might hear me use 7.

Of course, if you really want honest reports, I might be tempted to use SINPO . . .
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2017, 07:01:56 AM »

I agree that the amateur S reports (not the S meter, that's not necessarily the same thing) are too many for amateur signals which almost always fluctuate. Having just 5 as in QSA is much more reasonable. BUT I do not agree that it is not possible (and even easy) to give accurate reports on the 1-9 S scale (not S meter!) though I agree there are many who may not find it easy. I can tell you exactly, without an S meter if you are S1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  or 9 (there is no such thing as 9 plus), and the average, minimum and maximum. No problem at all. If I can do it anyone can, but I guess few bother these days.

Here are the details, and a proposed simpler system since most radio amateurs (THESE DAYS!) cannot handle 9 divisions of strength -- and too many refer to their S meters, with attenuator in or out, notch on or off, etc etc rendering even so-called "honest reports" usually unsound. Resulting in rather unsatisfactory 55N or 5NN. BUT there are easily recognisable those who CAN do this well. For the rest, please start here from basics,  in usual short abridged form for those in a hurry:

http://www.vkcw.net/q
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