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Author Topic: ARRL Censures Dick Norton, N6AA  (Read 8771 times)
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2017, 12:28:06 PM »

Emailed 12/7/2017

To: The ARRL Board of Directors

To say that I'm am disappointed with the censure of Dick Norton, N6AA, is not strong enough language. 

I don't have an issue with the board having the authority to censure for illegal or immoral conduct in general; or malicious conduct that is directly and immediately harmful to the Amateur Radio Service.  But the best information available by reputable hams in attendance at the scene of the crime clearly show that Mr. Norton only reported on adoption of a code of conduct by the board and in fact even made statements in support of it; and the negative feedback came from the audience.  Feed back that in my opinion was correct and appropriate.   

Even if Mr. Norton voiced a personal opinion in opposition to aspects of the code of conduct, it should not be a violation of that code.  And if the code is written in such a way that it is a violation to speak your mind, it must be amended so that it is not.  Use of the code in such a way can only be interpreted as a means to control the speech and opinions of the board members through fear of retaliation.  I don't believe the board is in possession of the formula for Coca Cola or the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices which would be proprietary and require protection.  Adopting and attempting to enforce a code of conduct that would be applicable in "commercial" corporate world is not necessarily best for a non-commercial corporation that is supposed to function in the best interests of the membership.

Based on the reaction to the censure and certain provisions of the code it appears members in general (even the ones who are not aware or don't have the time to dig out the background information on this matter) believe that they are the ones who have the right to try to influence the opinions of their representative through open and frank discussion of all issues, which include actions of the board. 

This was clearly a misuse of the code which falls far short of ethical conduct in my book.  Any harm Mr. Norton's actions may have caused to the League seems to pale in comparison to the harm caused by the board's censure.  The board members who voted to censure should look in the mirror and see how they measure up.  In the interest of fairness many will be listening to make sure the most restrictive interpretation code of silence and "necessary" public humiliation you impose on others will be equally applied to you.

Many of our most capable hams have abandoned the League.  The League should highly value their membership, participation and involvement and should put as much effort into bringing back the highly capable they have lost, as is put into licensing new hams.  Attempts to silence discussion of unpopular actions of the board will only result in further alienation of many of the most capable among us.

I have not yet reached the point of giving up on the League.  But a failure to correct this wrong has the potential to move me closer to the edge. 

Lt. Steve Wuelfing, K8BZ
Gladwin Co MI Sheriffs Dept, Retired
Gladwin/Arenac 911 Director, Retired
MI 911 Dispatcher Training Subcommittee, Retired
CTR3 US Navy, NTS Guam, 1972-1976
ARRL Life member since 1977
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K8BYP
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2017, 08:16:09 PM »

Amateur Radio Ripoff League?

Naught to do with them ever again.

They ADMITTED collusion with Kenwood to sell ham gear in an FCC filing, I quoted it in opposition to RM whatever it was (the 80M band giveaway)
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2017, 06:28:48 PM »

The ARRL is a USELESS organization that really does NOT benefit Amateur Radio.They have ZERO power but think they do. Everything they do is nothing more than a suggestion & NOT a Law.So many are confused by things they do & an example is the ARRL Band Plan.It's NOT a Law but a suggestion.They for the most part are like the FCC & these days are totally USELESS.The FCC is a Toothless Lion & the ARRL is a Toothless Worm eating away at the Hobby they have Zero Control over & their membership numbers vs Amateur Operators in the USA is a sliver at best & getting smaller every day.The ARRL is much like CQ Magazine & on their last gasping breath & they won't be missed once they are finally gone.Less folks running around a Hamfest thinking they are needed or important.

Clayton
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VK5EEE
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2017, 02:58:07 AM »

I agree they appear to be increasingly useless. But I'm not sure the example you gave of the band plan is a valid one: sure, it is not a legal issue. But the reason amateur radio IS self-regulated internally within our bands, is because so far that HAS worked out fine. Governments don't wish to step in and regulate inside the hobby. But if it were to stop working, if you really were to start using SSB down in the CW portion and CW on top of WSPR and JT65 and FT8 frequencies, and contests on WARC bands, etc, do you really think that we are going to be any better off?

When the motor car came out people drove on any side of the road. Then they agreed which side to drive on, in general. Later when several blind drunks had caused enough deaths and other irresponsible people abused the freedom, the authorities stepped in and made rules and laws and made money out of it. Unlikely to happen with ham radio but, the analogy is that our hobby will not be fun for its many aspects if we cannot co-exist, and that is what the Band Plans are about -- and contrary to popular opinion they are NOT exclusive to members of ARRL etc in their drafting and submissions and organisation, ALL radio amateurs are invited to participate in proposals and compromises and arriving at an acceptable band plan.

THIS is a GOOD thing that ARRL does, at least in theory, in practice I don't know since when I look at the web site they don't even mention CW on the band plan when I last looked, so it seems like it was a very poor effort. Maybe that has been fixed since then?

I think the things that these modern versions of formerly better "national societies" CAN be criticised for is their transforming themselves into a business, and their focus on numbers at all costs i.e. quantity not quality, and, their corruption. In Australia the WIA is an awfully bad example. Yet, surely you would agree that we should have SOME form of amateur radio union to ensure that our frequencies remain ours, and are not auctioned off to telecoms companies, and that our rights and interests are put firmly to authorities so they are defended and even extended: the increasing levels of QRM on our bands, and the increasing restrictions on our antennas, are two glaring examples of why we need to be united in some front.

If the ARRL is NOT doing these things, then it should be -- perhaps do what they did in England, create a new union, and then in response the old one gets its act together when people start leaving in droves. Similar is happening in Australia and has happened in other countries.

You say FCC is toothless, and the same applies now to many countries. They do have teeth if they wish, but they care less and less for amateur radio because we are more of a headache for very little money: our license fees are low. Governments now work for bu$ine$$ not people.
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2017, 03:41:25 PM »

Just to test the water, form a group in groups.io based on the name of the (multi-national)organization that is necessary. Build it, and they will come.
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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2017, 04:36:16 PM »

My old 1970 ARRL Handbook says there were almost 100,000 ARRL members and over 250,000 US amateurs.  Probably another 25,000 hams in Canada, since at that time, both countries used ARRL as the main organization in North America.  So let's say 100,000 members / 275,000 hams = 36% of hams were ARRL members in 1970. (give or take a percent or two)

My new 2017 ARRL Handbook says there are approximately 167,000 ARRL members.  Data as of yesterday shows that there are 747,612 licenced hams in the USA.  This means that 167,000/747,612 = 22% of US hams are ARRL members in 2017

A drop in membership from 36% to 22% in 47 years is something to think about.

73, Ed VE3WGO


latest licence numbers at :  http://www.arrl.org/fcc-license-counts
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2017, 07:31:10 AM »

My old 1970 ARRL Handbook says there were almost 100,000 ARRL members and over 250,000 US amateurs.  Probably another 25,000 hams in Canada, since at that time, both countries used ARRL as the main organization in North America.  So let's say 100,000 members / 275,000 hams = 36% of hams were ARRL members in 1970. (give or take a percent or two)

My new 2017 ARRL Handbook says there are approximately 167,000 ARRL members.  Data as of yesterday shows that there are 747,612 licenced hams in the USA.  This means that 167,000/747,612 = 22% of US hams are ARRL members in 2017

A drop in membership from 36% to 22% in 47 years is something to think about.

73, Ed VE3WGO


latest licence numbers at :  http://www.arrl.org/fcc-license-counts


Actually the number  vs population density is about the same.   The FCC increased the license terms twice  in 1970 ( 2 years ?) around 1980 ( 5years) and now 10 years . So the 750,000 is a greatly inflated number , The vast majority of active  Hams are ARRL members , The rest are dead or dont cares , There is probably about 150,000 - 200,000 that are active , another 100,000 that are renew but aren't active  the rest 300,000 350,000 that are just being carried on the books. non renewals per year are probably in the 30,000  range.


The real problems facing the league  are property rights (antenna) , license saturation (everybody thats wanted a license has had an opportunity to get one ) , and RFI (you cant work anybody if you cant hear tem). ..Neither of which they have adequately addressed
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