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Author Topic: FT-950 FT-450 setup  (Read 1474 times)
ON8RTH
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« on: April 26, 2008, 11:21:19 PM »

Hello dear ham friends,

I am selling my IC-7000. And I want a new shack setup. First I was thinking about a FT-2000. It cost 2200 euros in the larger shops. But I think that the 2000 is to expensive to what it does. A two rig setup with a FT-950 and a FT-450. It has the same capability as one 2000 but I have double receive on any band. Two transmitters. 2 times IF-DSP.

The FT-950 has also a VFOB knob. With a little computer programming I can make than I copy the B-VFO on the FT950
to the A-VFO of the FT-450.

I have enough possibilitys

I will home brew the IFACE's for the digimodes. And a MIC switcher. Then I think I got a nice SO2R setup.

What do you guru's think about this?
How do the FT-950 an the FT-450 preform?

Robin
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TANAKASAN
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 04:41:46 AM »

Curious, why are you switching from Icom to Yaesu? I would much rather have a ProIII than a FT-950 or FT-450.

Tanakasan
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K0BG
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2008, 06:00:06 AM »

The FT-450 is a nice transceiver, and it does have a roofing filter. Having owned one, I don't believe it is a serious leap above the 7000 you have now. Fact is, in many respects it is a step back.

I've not played with the others, so I can't comment.

Alan, KØBG
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ON8RTH
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 07:07:53 AM »

I don't want the IC-7000 anymore. And I have FT-817ND which I found better. Rare me. In my setup the FT-450 would be a secondary receiver. I think that the FT-950 is better than the IC-7000 on HF.

Robin
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W5KG
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2008, 11:45:05 AM »

Having had both the FT450 and I have an FT950, they both are very good transceivers.
The FT450 is not as good I don't think as an IC7000 but is a very good step up from the Af DSP rigs.
You are looking a double coversion receiver in the 450 vs a triple in the 950.
Both rig's band filtering is fairly good better in the 950 and DSP noise reduction is very good in the 950.
The 450 does not have an auto notch but the IF notch works great.
Contour in both rigs works great also but is easier to use on the 450 because it is all done from the front panel and not menue as the 950.
The 950's auto notch, called DNF, does not work very well at all.  Mark 5 Field was much better.
The 950 is not a PRO 3 but is not made out to be  and cost is $1K US less.
I hope this helps and good luck on what ever your choice might be.
Don, W5KG
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N6AJR
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 04:50:57 PM »

get your self a good used ten tec orion.  it has a built in second reciever and used  makes them quite affordable.   call ten tec and ask how much for a certified used one from them. its a super radiuo.
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ON8RTH
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2008, 09:53:21 PM »

Thanks to all for the reply's

I want to use the FT-450 as second transceiver in a odd SO2R setup. I have made a little diagram. for who want to see it I can post it.

How good dus the FT-450 and the FT-950 preform agains a IC-746 and a TS-570D and a FT-817?

I hope they are better?

Robin
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PD2R
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 12:43:53 AM »

It sounds like you have already made up your mind.

Just to put in my 2 cents, I was thinking of the same set up as well but I decided I wanted the biggest bang for my buck so I will be filling in a order form for the Elecraft K3.
It may not be as pretty as the Yaesu transceivers but it will beat them any day.
For EURO 2000,- you won´t have the second receiver right away but you will be able to add it later.

Veel succes!

73, Maarten
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WA3SKN
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 05:17:08 AM »

I assume you are tired of the menu arrangement of the IC-7000.
I have heard some complaints of the FT450 tuning knobs being too small.
I have just obtained the FT-950, and so far I am happy with it.  There are enough controls brought out and in a logical order, and it is a reasonable price.
The receive audio is better than I expected.
I am still getting the feel for it.
73s.

-Mike.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 08:54:34 AM »

I have the FT-2000 and considered the FT-950 so I could monitor 6 While on HF..

For some reason I prefer the tuning dial on the FT-950 but apart from that the things I would miss on the FT-2000 are -
- includes the 12V PSU - not a big issue
- has an RX only port and transverter output which is very useful for 4M (70 MHz)

I run an FT-107 for monitoring and the FT-2000 as the main rig.. (You only have one mouth so why two rigs with TX capability?) that works okay... I personally think some of the older rigs work fine like this and at a push provide backup capability at low cost.

Whatever you decide on be careful not to blow the front end of your receiving rig... 73 G8UBJ
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K6AER
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 01:21:11 PM »

Go play with the FT-450 and FT-950 radios before you buy. We used both at Visalia and most hams found the menu system very tedious with out the manual. The radio is not intuitive like the Pro-III.

Also we found the amplifier keying is via a tiny DIN plug was a surprise. I found the display a bit on the dim side and in a bright situation the display was lacking even after turning up the level all the way. The audio reports were good but the receiver sounded no better than an old TS950 we tried out before the test. Selectivity on the FT-950 seemed average. The DSP seems about average and on par with most $1000 radios.

I would be surprised if you could hear the differences in receiver performance on the FT-450 and the FT-950 versa the receiver on the IC-7000. The IC-7000 dynamic range at 20 KHz was if I remember about 90 dB and in one of the latest QST’s, the FT-950 I think they quoted was 94 dB. Both of these were preamp in the off position. I believe the FT-450 in the 20 KHz dynamic range is a few dB better than the FT-950. Rob Sherwood has not done a full test on the two latest offerings from Yaesu and I would be interested to see his results.

Bottom line in a real world application most noise floors coming out of the coax and antenna are much higher and your real world dynamic range is limited by you location and antenna set up. These dynamic ranges quoted in magazine test are only available in the lab.

“I don't want the IC-7000 anymore. And I have FT-817ND which I found better. Rare me.”  

That is interesting. I have yet to find a FT-817 when connected to a large beam up high that doesn’t have the receiver fall apart from strong signals.

You’re radios AGC dynamics and audio processing will inter into your operational pleasure. Before you through out the baby with the bath water make sure you understand the operation on the IC-7000 and you have it configured properly.

Something as small is having preamp on can greatly effect you operation on 20 meters in the presence of strong signals
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 11:07:33 AM »

I have had both and I got rid of the FT-450 and now have the FT-950! Every thing on FT-450 you have to go into menus and that gets to be a real pain after a while!
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