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Author Topic: Gatlinburg Fire (EmComm Failure to provide Warning)  (Read 11953 times)
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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2017, 09:33:28 AM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.
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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2017, 03:00:05 PM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.
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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2017, 10:21:06 AM »

Might have forgotten their orange reflective vests, lol.
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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2017, 10:28:15 AM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.

It is about profit for those selling land and building, not about safety.
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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2017, 05:39:06 PM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.

It is about profit for those selling land and building, not about safety.
     Build on a beach and ignore the chances of a hurricane, or even worse, an earthquake generated tidal wave!! (California)
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2017, 05:24:49 PM »

I wonder when people are going to learn that hams, even those involved in EmComm, are NOT first responders.  AAMOF, they ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO GET INVOLVED WHEN CALLED UPON!

Very likely there were reasons why the call out was not made--some of the people responding to this thread already put up some good ones.....
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2017, 10:54:28 AM »

Latest news article of substance... 

http://www.newschannel5.com/story-hold/why-werent-evacuation-orders-sent-sooner

"Initially Emergency Management officials in Sevier County said text alerts were sent to residents cell phones but later back off of that statement after TEMA said it wasn’t true."

One news outlet said that the information will eventually come out - that the gag order will only cause it to be released little by little over a much longer period of time.  One thing is quite apparent - that communications failures here cost lives. 
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« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2017, 06:29:50 AM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.

It is about profit for those selling land and building, not about safety.
... or it could be about people living where they want to live.
Just for information, how many years have you spent in professional Fire Service and/or Emergency Management?
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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2017, 10:59:30 AM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.

It is about profit for those selling land and building, not about safety.
... or it could be about people living where they want to live.
Just for information, how many years have you spent in professional Fire Service and/or Emergency Management?

No you are pretty nieve. Those selling the land and building in areas with poor access are interested in just one thing. Quick profit. Safety is way down list because if it was at top they would of never built there. Those that bought them were just as nieve as you about safety vs profit. Just like those that build houses on shore that expect insurance to pay for it when storm comes when it should of never been there.
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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2017, 11:25:43 AM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.

It is about profit for those selling land and building, not about safety.
... or it could be about people living where they want to live.
Just for information, how many years have you spent in professional Fire Service and/or Emergency Management?

No you are pretty nieve. Those selling the land and building in areas with poor access are interested in just one thing. Quick profit. Safety is way down list because if it was at top they would of never built there. Those that bought them were just as nieve as you about safety vs profit. Just like those that build houses on shore that expect insurance to pay for it when storm comes when it should of never been there.

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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2017, 03:13:51 PM »

Liabilities are likely to be sought extensively.

More correctly, scapegoats will be sought because the real "crime" was letting them build where and how they did to begin with.

It happens EVERYWHERE!  Build in fire prone areas and not allow controlled burns because soot might get into the swimming pool.  Build on a barrier island and lament that the waves are washing away the sand.  Build in a river delta and pressure the Government to put protective dikes.  Build on a major earthquake fault and hope the big one doesn't happen.  Build on a volcanic island and - you get the picture by now.

It is about profit for those selling land and building, not about safety.
... or it could be about people living where they want to live.
Just for information, how many years have you spent in professional Fire Service and/or Emergency Management?

No you are pretty nieve. Those selling the land and building in areas with poor access are interested in just one thing. Quick profit.
What about people wanting to live in areas with"poor access".
Safety is way down list because if it was at top they would of never built there.
What about people wanting to live in areas with "poor access".
Those that bought them were just as nieve as you about safety vs profit.
You don't get to tell me that I am naive. You have no idea.I have had a home threatened by wildfire. I was told no houses survives. They were wrong.
Just like those that build houses on shore that expect insurance to pay for it when storm comes when it should of never been there.
AGAIN, just for information, how many years have you spent in professional Fire Service and/or Emergency Management?

So, your position is that no one should live on the coasts, in the mountains or in the midwest?  
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2017, 09:28:49 AM »

This just in... "Gary Wade, retired Tennessee Supreme Court justice and dean of the LMU law school, said in a statement. "This symposium is designed to provide an appropriate analysis of the fire and its aftermath."


http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/tennessee/gatlinburg/2017/03/12/park-officials-fire-experts-among-lmu-wildfire-symposium-speakers/99004262/


I wonder how they're going to conduct an analysis at the symposium since nobody is supposed to talk about it?
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« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2017, 02:05:32 PM »

It looks like somebody at the meeting asked the obvious question.

"It says in the paper you are looking for an outside firm to review the county's wildfire handling of this disaster," Chris Dunaway said to commissioners and Mayor Larry Waters during the public forum portion of a county commission meeting. "How is this firm going to look at the county's handling of this fire when most of everything from this fire is under a gag order?"

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Fire-EMS/2017/03/21/Gag-order-Gatlinburg-wildfire-victims-denied-answers

The responsible officials look to be trying to cover their assets from extensive litigation.
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