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Author Topic: eQSL validity  (Read 1795 times)

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« on: March 22, 2003, 04:42:46 AM »

I wonder if anyone has taken this on the table
to discuss and suggest IARU or another organization
that eQSLs would be valid in DXCC and other awards.

In my opinion this would save loads of time and
hard work (printing and then sticking the stickers
on the paper cards plus sending them) generally.
(Ok, ok, I just hate extra paper etc. which is
laying in the corners of me flat getting dusty).
Plus you could confirm your qsos much faster Smiley

Probably the reason is that those are not valid is
either "we have better system and we charge from it"
or that the eQSL service would have to be run by
some 'authenticated' party which requires validation
for every user account.

Well, here is my few cents.

Cheers, de Niko OH1MX

Posts: 527

« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2003, 05:52:55 AM »

The problem with e-qsls is that it is very difficult
to verify or prove that the party stated is actually
whom they claim to be, and are where they claim to be.
The use of QSL cards meant that a postmark from the
originating country/island/location would serve as
evidence of ,at least , that the post was sent from
that location due to the postmark. As time advanced
the advent of QSL managers came about and this was
somehow accepted as proof. ( not in my opinion)
It really all boils down to facts and verification.
With all the dishonesty in the world truth has
become difficult to prove and even though this is
supposed to be a hobby it is taken very seriously
by many. Truth should always be cherished.
E-QSL has come up with better means to verify the
validity of participants but there are still too
many unanswered questions and holes in the process.
I would save time and money, but at the
cost of truth. We have far to much cheating as it
is. Did US astronauts really land on the moon ?
All the proof we have is video and the word of
some folks who have been caught lying before.
73 - Tim

Posts: 2198

« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2003, 07:07:52 PM »

    e-QSL has their own Century Club award, but you won't see e-QSL's accepted for most awards, partly due to "N.I.H. Syndrome."  (Not invented here...)
    The ARRL is working on it's own "Logbook of the World" project.  But I don't know how they will authenticate that any more than e-QSL can authenticate a valid contact.  But of course, it's THEIR project, and their awards, so they make the rules.

Posts: 3206


« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2003, 08:38:53 AM »

If we emulate the paper QSL system currently in use, the sequence would be something like:

Ham A makes a contact with Ham B.

Ham A enters the contact in the electronic QSL system.  This also allows for transmission of pictures of the shack, dog, etc. along with other personal/technical information.

The system then E-Mails Ham B.

So far this is equivalent to filling out and mailng a card.

Ham B then logs onto the system and either confirms or denies the contact.  

The system the E-Mails Ham A with the results.

Ham B's information as above is now available for Ham A to view.

Again, equivalent to filling out and mailing a card.

For contest submissions, each participating contest entity would provide the system with an electronic address to which contact summaries would be sent.

This is equivalent to sending in a log sheet or a cabrillo or other format file.  Additionally, since both parties are known to the system, the validity of the contact is as guaranteed as is possible.

What say you all?Huh

Dennis - KG4RUL

Posts: 317

« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2003, 06:51:00 AM »

When Logbook Of The World is activated, you won't need QSLs for ARRL awards. But, if the station has emailed his log to both LOTW and eQSL, then you can get award credit, and print your QSL.

ARRL is unfairly criticized for establishing its own electronic system for award credit. If ARRL instead used a third-party QSL system, and that system closed down or went out of business, it would be a difficult situation.

Posts: 2198

« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2003, 06:08:00 PM »

Not to say that the ARRL should solely RELY on an independent entity to provide e-QSLs, but they could work out a way to accept them, if they wanted to...  BUT, again, it's NIH.
    I don't know how the ARRL's system will be any more or less prone to cheating that e-QSL, or even paper QSL's.  If somebody wants to cheat, they WILL cheat.  And the last I checked, the ARRL doesn't demand postmark/envelope a QSL card was mailed from or in, so a cheater could easily manufacture a bunch of fake cards.
     But then, I'm not really a card chaser.  I just like the QSO.  Whether or not I have a card to prove it, I KNOW I made a certain contact, and I don't feel I have to prove it to anyone else.  With a very modest station, I do the best I can.  If I don't catch that "rare DX" I just move on.  After all, it's just a hobby.  (And a public service, before anyone jumps on me too hard.  YES, I will be glad to lend a hand in the event of an emergency any way I can.  BUT, thankfully, that's only a small part of my [our?] operations!)
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