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Author Topic: NEWBIE ASK: what best HT to me (long range w/o ant  (Read 1442 times)
ABANG
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« on: June 30, 2004, 01:24:37 AM »

Hi,
Im really newbie in Handy Talky at all. I just want
to ask. what type of HT that should best for me?
1. Small Enaugh
2. Have long range, about 8 mil range, without
   external antenna ( I dont know what it called,
   but only with antena built in).

because it just for my occasionally usage,
like when me and my wife on crowded or outbond.

tq very much
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AA4PB
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2004, 09:18:26 AM »

I think you are pretty much out of luck. It will not be possible to get a reliable 8-mile range between HTs with built-in antennas over normal terrain. Now if you were sitting on top of two mountains located 8 miles apart it would probably work.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2004, 09:41:23 AM »

>  what type of HT that should best for me?

Motorola, Nokia, Samsung.  Most come with flat rate airtime plans.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM

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W7DJM
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2004, 12:33:28 PM »

He's talking about a "built in" antenna?  Sounds like an FRS radio, those things will never give you any 8 mile range.
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KB1LKR
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2004, 01:49:01 PM »

Or do you mean the antenna that comes with the radio, a "Rubber Duck". This is a short, somewhat flexible antenna but it does not have very good range.

Do I understand you want to talk to someone else also with a HT directly,  "simplex", NOT through a repeater to the other HT?
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KE6PKJ
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2004, 03:51:16 PM »

Nextel
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ABANG
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2004, 01:44:43 AM »

yes, u right, with rubber duck (comes with the HT),
and It will comminicate directly with the same type of
HT (simplex).

someone told me that the yaesu VX 5R is 5 watt
so it can reach the 8-10 mile
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N3ZKP
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2004, 03:10:04 PM »

<< someone told me that the yaesu VX 5R is 5 watt
so it can reach the 8-10 mile >>

Not in real life. Under average conditions it is going to be much less.

Remember you (and anyone else you want to talk to with an amateur HT) must have an amateur radio license. This is NOT a license-free service like FRS.

Lon
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AA4PB
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2004, 03:48:02 PM »

The line-of-sight radio horizon for an antenna 5-feet high is 3 miles. That means two HTs with antennas 5-feet high would have a line-of-sight range of 6 miles. That's if the ground is flat and there is nothing in between to block or attenuate the signals (i.e. you are out in the desert). In a typical terrain you are going to get much less. It is unrealistic to expect to get a reliable 8-10 miles range between two 5-watt HTs. You need to look for another solution.
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ABANG
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2004, 05:45:04 AM »

<< must have an amateur radio license. This is NOT a license-free service like FRS>>

sure, we have regulatory ourselves.Im from indonesia.
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ABANG
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2004, 06:00:12 AM »

for other option, if use GMRS and FRS, is there
any product can reach that range?
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N3ZKP
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2004, 12:09:00 PM »

<< for other option, if use GMRS and FRS, is there
any product can reach that range?    >>

There are very few HT, on any frequency, that run more than 5 or 6 watts. Going back to a previous post, the horizon for an HT used by the average person is about three miles over flat terrain, for a max of 6 miles for two units. This is absolute best case. Normal for two 5w HTs in a typical enviroment will be two to four miles, max.

FRS is limited to 500mw and most units are lucky to ge a mile ouf of them.

I don't think you are going to find any HT that will do what you want simplex.
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KB1LKR
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2004, 06:55:48 PM »

I assume you two will not each be in range of a higher power repeater on a hill? If you are this would extend your range. Longer antennas, say full 1/2 wave (~ 1m on 146MHz or ~35cm on 440 Mhz) might help *a little* but they are not as easy to carry as the standard 'rubber duck' The only other option I see if you get too far apart is cell phones.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2004, 04:20:51 PM »

Verizon. "Can you hear me now? Good!"
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