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Author Topic: Icom 706 MKII for Aircraft  (Read 2499 times)
PYLOT
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« on: January 06, 2008, 05:52:28 AM »


 Greetings Experts!

 I have procured an ICOM 706-MKII for use as a temporary HF and backup VHF for aircraft deliveries. I have found volumes of info for various mods that seem suitable for this purpose but I'm having trouble selecting the correct one(s).
I would appreciate guidance in selecting the appropriate mod(s) for this application for the 706-MKII.

   Many thanks! Dwanne
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K7KBN
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 08:18:27 AM »

Would help if we knew where you are, what band(s) we're talking about, and what "aircraft deliveries" means.
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PYLOT
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 10:43:54 AM »

I'm in the US, however operation will be worldwide.
Airband VHF range is 118-132 Mhz
HF 2-30 Mhz
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W3LK
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 11:49:58 AM »

<< I have procured an ICOM 706-MKII for use as a temporary HF and backup VHF for aircraft deliveries. I have found volumes of info for various mods that seem suitable for this purpose but I'm having trouble selecting the correct one(s).
I would appreciate guidance in selecting the appropriate mod(s) for this application for the 706-MKII.
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What you are wanting to do is illegal. In this country (and Canada, at least) you cannot use modified amateur radios on any other radio service. It doen't matter whether you are talking about HF or VHF Airband.

Buy radios designed and type certified for Airband and aircraft use. If you can't afford them, you shouldn't be ferrying planes.


73,

Lon - W3LK
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 02:29:58 PM »

Never ceases to amaze me how many folks want to use ham radio as a way to get around the rules of other services. I have a feeling if the FAA inspected the aircraft and found a 706 being used for airband they would have a kitten!!!

Dan
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PYLOT
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 03:02:46 PM »

Thank you all for the amateur legal advice and er "help". You might be surprised to find that the FAA is not having kittens, but regularly approves these installations on a temporary basis, it is a widely accepted practice.
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W3LK
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2008, 04:54:28 PM »

<<  You might be surprised to find that the FAA is not having kittens, but regularly approves these installations on a temporary basis, it is a widely accepted practice.>>

FAA approval of the INSTALLATION is one thing. Using modified amateur radios on VHF Airband frequencies and commercial aviation HF frequencies IS very much illegal!!!

Whether you like it or not, this IS the case. Call the FCC and see what they tell you, if you don't believe us.

You come here asking for help doing something that is illegal, do not be surprised when you don't get a lot of support for the project.

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Lon - W3LK
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 02:47:26 PM »

The fact that one federal agency, FAA, regularly approves these installations with full knowledge of how they are being used indicates that this application might not be as illegal as you postulate. Can you offer an opinion as to why so many mods that enable amateur rigs to transmit on these frequencies are widely available on this site and others? By the way, a type accepted aircraft HF costs around 40K USD to start.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 03:50:37 PM »

<< The fact that one federal agency, FAA, regularly approves these installations with full knowledge of how they are being used indicates that this application might not be as illegal as you postulate.>>

Think what you want, I really don't care, but after 40 years in the communications field, I am very confident of my statements. Use of a modified Amateur radio on VHF Airband is illegal, and you cannot find a single FAA or FCC official that will, in writing, tell you otherwise.

<< Can you offer an opinion as to why so many mods that enable amateur rigs to transmit on these frequencies are widely available on this site and others?>>

There are instructions all over the Internet as to how to make bombs; that doesn't make it legal to build one and blow someone up. There are instruction for hot-wiring and stealing cars; does that make car theft legal?

<< By the way, a type accepted aircraft HF costs around 40K USD to start.>>

And you point is, if I can't afford to do something in a legal fashion, If I find a way to do it cheaper illegally I am justified in doing so?

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Lon - W3LK
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PYLOT
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 03:58:16 PM »

Great logic Lon! Which federal agency do you suppose would approve construction of the bomb, but remind you that actual use of the bomb is illegal? I wonder just who the victims of this heinous crime are? How are they affected? 40 + years in communications? Speaks volumes.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2008, 07:49:05 PM »

Hi Dwanne,

As you indicated there's a lot of info on how to mod the 706 on the internet.  Please don't take this as being condescending but your posting this question indicates that you probably shouldn't be doing this mod and/or installation.

I know you already purchased the 706, but perhaps a sat phone would be a better choice?  They rent at $9 a day, there's no 337 to worry about (assuming you would file a 337) and there's no installation hassle.

If you're going to pursue the 706 mod I would recommend finding someone local that can help you out with it.

Good luck,
Scott
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W3LK
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2008, 06:50:55 AM »

I have to say this ...

In my experience, when a poster starts giving responses such as you do, it is a 95 percent chance they know want they want to do is illegal and are simply looking for someone to justify their actions. I've been seeing this for years.

Do what you want; I don't really care. I do know one thing, with your attitude I don't ever want to fly with you. Smiley

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Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2008, 01:11:04 PM »

the problem with sat phones are many, one of which is the ATC agency must have phone capability which they seldom do. Of course I would use a 337, nothing to hide. As mentioned FAA fully approves the installations with full knowledge of the intended use.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2008, 01:14:43 PM »

I'm not fully convinced that it is illegal in this application. Perhaps you could help with the CFR pertinent CFR paragraph?

Don't worry about being invited to fly with me, the feeling is mutual. But then, I might not have any choice having you aboard as a paying passenger. I'll look for you in coach!
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2008, 03:22:03 PM »

CFR 47 - FCC Rules and Regulations
Part 87.39 - Aviation Services

87.39 Equipment acceptable for licensing.
Transmitters listed in this part must
be certificated for a particular use by
the Commission based upon technical
requirements contained in subpart D of
this part.

Amateur radio tranceivers are NOT certified for aircraft use.

Rich
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