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Author Topic: Do people sometimes cheat to bust pileups?  (Read 1541 times)
AB2MH
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« on: June 12, 2006, 12:12:51 PM »

Yesterday I was working a special event station.  Moderate sized pileup.  All of a sudden this guy from somewhere down south (the 4 area) comes in booming in, "this is xxxxxx QRP."  The DX station answered him, after saying, "the QRP station go ahead..."  Obviously, he got the attention of the DX station because he was QRP.

I'm in my car and the S meter is reading 40dB over 9.  The station is pretty far away, and it was about 5-6ish.

I know strange things happen, but I find it hard to believe that the guy is QRP with such a large signal at that time of day.  

Do you guys think that he was really QRP or that he lied to bust the pileup?

Do people lie about being QRP to bust pileups?
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2006, 01:17:38 PM »

Could be, but then people cheat in lots of stuff.

Then again, propagation does wonderous things, and so do good antennas.

I've worked at large multiop contest stations (typical antenna is stacked yagis at 150-200 feet, per band) where we used low-drive amplifiers (20W drive for 1500W output, using tetrode PAs) and the amp has kicked itself off line, sometimes for 2-3 hours before I even noticed I was running barefoot.  The DX stations just keep calling, even though I'm running 17 dB lower power than I thought.  

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AB2MH
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2006, 08:08:24 PM »

That's true.

I'm not accusing him of anything, I was just amazed that a "QRP" signal was so loud and clear from so far, all the way over here!
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2006, 09:04:32 PM »

Depends on your definition of QRP.  Maybe he could only load his amp to 1300W instead of 1500W.  Many 'amp heads' consider 100W barefoot to be QRP.  Some of those guys are wound a little too tight.

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K8MHZ
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 07:21:16 AM »

If you are talking about DQ2006X my friend N8YJT got them in his back yard in Michigan running 5 watts out of an FT-817.  He got him the first try and was amazed at how strong 2006X was coming in.  He was especially amazed at busting a pile-up with 5 watts.

Maybe the conditions are finally starting to come our way.

73,

Mark K8MHZ
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KB9BVN
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 05:09:36 AM »

On Saturday the 10th of June, I worked LU5DYV with my Mobile KX1, 2w, and a 20m Anttron Hamwhip antenna while driving out I-70 toward Indy.

As soon as that was over, I worked a station in Albequerque NM and got a 599.

When its working it is REALLY working.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 07:46:59 AM »

> Do people lie about being QRP to bust pileups?

Not saying it was or wasn't in the instance you describe, but in answer to the question "Do people lie about being QRP to bust pileups?"

The answer is undoubtedly "yes."

There are many who are not "gentlemen" (or "ladies") on the airwaves.

Also as stated above there are also those who consider 100W barefoot to be "QRP."

Chuckle.

"Size matters"

But skill matters more.

73 de Donald
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2006, 09:43:24 AM »

Are you serious?  OFCOURSE some cheat!  There is only one rule when it comes to contesting and working pilups...THERE ARE NO RULES!!!!!!!!

73
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AB2MH
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 05:29:38 AM »

K8MHZ wrote:
> If you are talking about DQ2006X my friend N8YJT got
> them in his back yard in Michigan running 5 watts
> out of an FT-817. He got him the first try and was
> amazed at how strong 2006X was coming in. He was
> especially amazed at busting a pile-up with 5 watts.

> Maybe the conditions are finally starting to come
> our way.

> 73,
> Mark K8MHZ

That particular station DQ2006X is particularly strong and reliable.  But he did say he was using 500 watts and a beam antenna.  He generally handles the pileups well, so that's one reason the 5w station could be busting the pile up.

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KB9BVN
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2006, 09:34:06 AM »

I've worked 4 different DQ2006 stations with my 3w KX1 and attic dipole, or fishing pole vertical.  All on 20m.
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