Call Search
     

New to Ham Radio?
My Profile

Community
Articles
Forums
News
Reviews
Friends Remembered
Strays
Survey Question

Operating
Contesting
DX Cluster Spots
Propagation

Resources
Calendar
Classifieds
Ham Exams
Ham Links
List Archives
News Articles
Product Reviews
QSL Managers

Site Info
eHam Help (FAQ)
Support the site
The eHam Team
Advertising Info
Vision Statement
About eHam.net

donate to eham
   Home   Help Search  
Pages: Prev 1 [2]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Getting into Neighbor's audio equipment  (Read 3188 times)
K6UJ
Member

Posts: 1061




Ignore
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2017, 06:39:42 PM »

call the 1-800 line for the manufacturer, neighbor.  it's their fault the stuff is not rejecting the RF.

I love this BS answer. It gives hams a bad name and is a CB mentality. Neighbor has no problems when no one is transmitting yet it is his fault dah.....   Many hams are disrespectful of neighbors and you wonder why condos do not want them in HOA's.

I love the BS answer to the supposed BS answer.  Manufacturers are producing to a price point.  To accomplish that, they work to Part 15 rules.  It states UNEQUIVOCALLY that the device in question MUST accept any interference from a licensed service.  It has NOTHING to do with a "CB" mentality or "HOA"s.  Neighbor wants cheap, neighbor gets cheap.  Neighbor needs to learn to live with it.


The point went right over your head.  We are  aware of the FCC regs.  It is about the
BS suggestion given.  We can be supportive and help the neighbor. 
Yes, you can get the point across and foster good relations at the same time.   

Bob
K6UJ

Logged
KG4RUL
Member

Posts: 2974


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2017, 09:39:02 AM »

call the 1-800 line for the manufacturer, neighbor.  it's their fault the stuff is not rejecting the RF.

I love this BS answer. It gives hams a bad name and is a CB mentality. Neighbor has no problems when no one is transmitting yet it is his fault dah.....   Many hams are disrespectful of neighbors and you wonder why condos do not want them in HOA's.

I love the BS answer to the supposed BS answer.  Manufacturers are producing to a price point.  To accomplish that, they work to Part 15 rules.  It states UNEQUIVOCALLY that the device in question MUST accept any interference from a licensed service.  It has NOTHING to do with a "CB" mentality or "HOA"s.  Neighbor wants cheap, neighbor gets cheap.  Neighbor needs to learn to live with it.



The point went right over your head.  We are  aware of the FCC regs.  It is about the
BS suggestion given.  We can be supportive and help the neighbor. 
Yes, you can get the point across and foster good relations at the same time.   

Bob
K6UJ



The point DID NOT go over my head and I will stand by my answer.  The suggestion to call the 800 number is SPOT ON!  If NO ONE takes the manufacturers to task, they will continue to produce more inferior products and our problems will grow!  We can't solve all the problems they create.
Logged
W8JX
Member

Posts: 10946




Ignore
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2017, 11:37:41 AM »


The point DID NOT go over my head and I will stand by my answer.  The suggestion to call the 800 number is SPOT ON!  If NO ONE takes the manufacturers to task, they will continue to produce more inferior products and our problems will grow!  We can't solve all the problems they create.


No it did go over your head completely. A typical CB/HAM answer, you want to pass the buck. Stop skating around it. If you cause a problem for your neighbor you should help fix it and not be a arse about it. If your neighbor spiked your coax his problems would go away. You are cause not him or device maker because it is possible to overwhelm any device with RF if its strong enough and I have yet to see in a manual that this new TV or audio is certified to work next door to someone running 1500 watts or more with no regard for you.
Logged

--------------------------------------
Ham since 1969....  Old School 20 WPM Extra
K0MU
Member

Posts: 27




Ignore
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2017, 12:22:03 PM »

Lots of varying quality of answers so far.

Recommend OP contact this club http://www.nparc.org/

They likely can get you in touch with an ARRL Technical Specialist.  They are very helpful in these situations.

Here is a great starting point:
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/Neighbor_Info/Neighbor_Info.pdf

Regarding calling the 1-800 number, per the above publication, this is great advise:

 "...Most consumer electronics manufacturers are willing to help you...."

 "...Finally, the consumer has responsibilities, too. You must cooperate with the manufacturer, the radio operator, and, if necessary, the FCC as they try to determine the cause of the problem. They need your help to find a solution..."

Regarding "fault", the publication has this statement:
"...It is better to define interference as any unwanted interaction between electronic systems -period! No fault. No blame. It's just a condition...."

Good luck. 

Jay K0MU - ARRL Technical Specialist MN Section
Logged
K6UJ
Member

Posts: 1061




Ignore
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2017, 08:14:40 PM »


The point DID NOT go over my head and I will stand by my answer.  The suggestion to call the 800 number is SPOT ON!  If NO ONE takes the manufacturers to task, they will continue to produce more inferior products and our problems will grow!  We can't solve all the problems they create.


No it did go over your head completely. A typical CB/HAM answer, you want to pass the buck. Stop skating around it. If you cause a problem for your neighbor you should help fix it and not be a arse about it. If your neighbor spiked your coax his problems would go away. You are cause not him or device maker because it is possible to overwhelm any device with RF if its strong enough and I have yet to see in a manual that this new TV or audio is certified to work next door to someone running 1500 watts or more with no regard for you.

John,
You are spot on.  He sounds like one of my CB neighbors that had TVI issues and finally asked me
to help him out which I did.  He was creating enemies with the neighbors.  I have been on TVI committees for several different ham clubs over the years. The most important aspect of what we do is not the technical and regulatory aspects,  but how we communicate with the person affected.  Seems backwards but it is not.  Tactful, understanding, communication is paramount. 

They may not remember what you  said, but they always remember how you made them feel.

Bob
K6UJ


Logged
KG4RUL
Member

Posts: 2974


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2017, 09:02:11 PM »


The point DID NOT go over my head and I will stand by my answer.  The suggestion to call the 800 number is SPOT ON!  If NO ONE takes the manufacturers to task, they will continue to produce more inferior products and our problems will grow!  We can't solve all the problems they create.


No it did go over your head completely. A typical CB/HAM answer, you want to pass the buck. Stop skating around it. If you cause a problem for your neighbor you should help fix it and not be a arse about it. If your neighbor spiked your coax his problems would go away. You are cause not him or device maker because it is possible to overwhelm any device with RF if its strong enough and I have yet to see in a manual that this new TV or audio is certified to work next door to someone running 1500 watts or more with no regard for you.

Two points: 
There are some pieces of gear which cannot be RFI suppressed because they are produced so cheaply - That is a FACT - When that is the case, the manufacturer needs to step up.

Secondly, no where in this thread did ANYONE say they were running high power. 

If you are operating within the FCC rules, there has to be a point when your responsibility stops.

My experience with RFI was a neighbor who had satellite service and was using rabbit ears on the top of the TV to receive "local" broadcast stations which needed a fringe, outdoor antenna for reliable reception.  He wasn't willing to put up an outdoor antenna so, I chose to ignore him at that point.  The local constabulary agreed. 

BTW, I was operating digital modes at 20W - a 5W HT would also take out his reception, while standing on the sidewalk in front of his house.

So, things are not always as cut and dried as you would like us to believe.
Logged
W8JX
Member

Posts: 10946




Ignore
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2017, 05:29:27 AM »


John,
You are spot on.  He sounds like one of my CB neighbors that had TVI issues and finally asked me
to help him out which I did.  He was creating enemies with the neighbors.  I have been on TVI committees for several different ham clubs over the years. The most important aspect of what we do is not the technical and regulatory aspects,  but how we communicate with the person affected.  Seems backwards but it is not.  Tactful, understanding, communication is paramount. 

They may not remember what you  said, but they always remember how you made them feel.

Bob
K6UJ


Very wise words Bob. You get far more with sugar than salt...
Logged

--------------------------------------
Ham since 1969....  Old School 20 WPM Extra
ND6M
Member

Posts: 323




Ignore
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2017, 06:53:25 AM »

...I love the BS answer to the supposed BS answer...

You are exactly correct, it IS the neighbors problem.

kinda like having a hole in your roof, and then blaming the rain for your damaged carpet.

FIX the roof!
Logged
K6UJ
Member

Posts: 1061




Ignore
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2017, 08:18:19 AM »

...I love the BS answer to the supposed BS answer...

You are exactly correct, it IS the neighbors problem.

kinda like having a hole in your roof, and then blaming the rain for your damaged carpet.

FIX the roof!


James you are correct.  I agree to "FIX the roof" 
No one is disputing the technical, regulatory aspect.  He is correct and we agree.
The issue is HOW we communicate with the neighbor about it.  We can get our point
across without creating hard feelings. Giving him a BS CB response is not the right way.
We need to communicate with our neighbors in a supportive, tactful way.  When we
work on RFI issues with the affected we are ambassadors for amateur radio. 


Bob
K6UJ
Logged
W8JX
Member

Posts: 10946




Ignore
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2017, 10:55:43 AM »

...I love the BS answer to the supposed BS answer...

You are exactly correct, it IS the neighbors problem.

kinda like having a hole in your roof, and then blaming the rain for your damaged carpet.

FIX the roof!

Not like a roof at all because he would not have a problem without neighbor ham with a attitude. I guess it is hams problem too if his coax gets spiked or neighbor sets up a spark generator. I would NEVER knowinly interfere with a neighbor and then blow it off and say it is their fault. That is CB mentality.
Logged

--------------------------------------
Ham since 1969....  Old School 20 WPM Extra
KG4RUL
Member

Posts: 2974


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2017, 11:50:41 AM »

...I love the BS answer to the supposed BS answer...

You are exactly correct, it IS the neighbors problem.

kinda like having a hole in your roof, and then blaming the rain for your damaged carpet.

FIX the roof!


James you are correct.  I agree to "FIX the roof" 
No one is disputing the technical, regulatory aspect.  He is correct and we agree.
The issue is HOW we communicate with the neighbor about it.  We can get our point
across without creating hard feelings. Giving him a BS CB response is not the right way.
We need to communicate with our neighbors in a supportive, tactful way.  When we
work on RFI issues with the affected we are ambassadors for amateur radio. 


Bob
K6UJ

The roof analogy is way of topic.

BTW: WHY do you keep referring to "CB"?  Are you one of those former CB operators that feels the need to let everyone know how superior you are now that you have license?

As being an "Ambassodor", ome people will always want you to fix their problems.  For them, ignoring them is the only practical way to deal with them.
Logged
N0YXB
Member

Posts: 737




Ignore
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 08:22:53 AM »

For me, it also depends on which neighbor. For some neighbors I'd bend over backwards to help. Other neighbors, like the guy who lets his dog wake the neighborhood before sunrise, would get little help form me.
Logged
W8JX
Member

Posts: 10946




Ignore
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 11:18:49 AM »


BTW: WHY do you keep referring to "CB"?  Are you one of those former CB operators that feels the need to let everyone know how superior you are now that you have license?


Because "modern" ham radio is a high dollar CB for many as it is a joke to get a license today as you have to really know nothing to get one so why should you care if it cause problems because many do not understand much more than using a power button and a VFO knob. There was a time when ham were far more sensitive to causing problems and were far more knowledgeable too. Not today as fewer of them are left and number is shrinking...
Logged

--------------------------------------
Ham since 1969....  Old School 20 WPM Extra
KG4RUL
Member

Posts: 2974


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 05:27:54 PM »


BTW: WHY do you keep referring to "CB"?  Are you one of those former CB operators that feels the need to let everyone know how superior you are now that you have license?


Because "modern" ham radio is a high dollar CB for many as it is a joke to get a license today as you have to really know nothing to get one so why should you care if it cause problems because many do not understand much more than using a power button and a VFO knob. There was a time when ham were far more sensitive to causing problems and were far more knowledgeable too. Not today as fewer of them are left and number is shrinking...

Well, I am eternally glad that there are individuals the likes of you who can point out how inferior the rest of the world is. 
Logged
Pages: Prev 1 [2]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.11 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!