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Author Topic: This Guy got REALLY SCAMMED!  (Read 26266 times)
AD6KA
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« on: September 23, 2010, 03:27:28 PM »

Here is a link to a post about a guy who got seriously
scammed by some semi-pros. He's out about 2,000 UK Pounds,
about $3,100 and change. He lives in Russia
and posted an add on QRZ looking to buy some
reasonably priced HF gear. Got an answer from someone
allegedly in the UK.

I say "semi pros" because they were smart enough
to have a fake website for their "Courier Service" they
insisted be used, but were dumb enough to post it on a free
hosting service, not their own domain. (What? $10 month too much?).
Also the scammer email Addy's were from free email services...... DOH!

The victim is not Internet savvy, but his FIRST
clue should have been the "Payment by Western Union" demand.

The second clue was the deal was too good to be true.
300 GBP (about $470) + Shipping for an IC-718, FT-847, and an LDG auto tuner!

I feel bad for this guy, even though he made
a lot of mistakes.

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=263391&highlight=custom
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KC8OYE
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 08:14:50 PM »

it's hard to feel sorry for someone who was that oblivious to a lot of warning signs that something wasn't right.
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AD6KA
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 03:19:36 PM »

it's hard to feel sorry for someone who was that oblivious to a lot of warning signs that something wasn't right.

Normally I would disagree with you on this sentiment.
Some people just aren't net savvy, or "Would you feel that way if this
had happened to YOUR Grandparent?" arguments.

But I no longer feel sorry for THIS op because I
tried to help him gather info to at least file a police
report, and he won't even help me out at all.

I have had the First Flight website killed,
and I have had one of their Bank Accounts killed.

He replied "Why did you do that? The bank can't solve this
crime, the UK Police can just go arrest the men I sent the money to."
I explained that NO ONE was going to "Solve" the crime and he wasn't going to get his
money back, but he should file a police complaint..
The Real UK Police said that they can do nothing until they hear from the Russian Police.I asked the victim if he has filed a Russian Police report and he had not, and was not going to.
Why? "Crime happen in UK" he says.

Then he asked the "Seller" of the goods (obviously one of the CROOKS in the gang)
to please file a police report FOR HIM, which the "seller" said he did. (Right......)
Victim will not even provide me with the "sellers" "name", never mind his
email address, Address listed on Western Union Transfers to seller, and Money Transfer Control Numbers for funds transferred from vic to Courier Service OR "seller".
I told him "The police, whichever police, need real evidence, NOT your
version of the story and NOT a pile of emails with untraceable headers".

The ONLY reason I am still going after First Frieght is that this is NOT the first Ham that they
have scammed, and they have been doing this for a long time.
But they usually work on Craig's list or vintage car parts blogs,
looking to sell rare parts to people who need them. Then of course they spring the
trap. Very low priced parts, exactly what the buyer needs,and of course
the "Seller" insists they use First Freight. 

But this Russian Victim can go pound sand as far as I'm concerned.

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KG8JF
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 04:40:28 AM »

The common thread in most of the scams that hit the news is the naivete of the scamee.  You must have enough sophistication to realize the old adage; "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is".  Another tip off is the request to, "have my carrier pick it up".  "I will send you a cheque for more than the price of the goods", is another dead giveaway that there is a scam in progress.
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AD6KA
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 12:25:48 PM »

The common thread in most of the scams that hit the news is the naivete of the scamee.  You must have enough sophistication to realize the old adage; "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is".  Another tip off is the request to, "have my carrier pick it up".  "I will send you a cheque for more than the price of the goods", is another dead giveaway that there is a scam in progress.

Agreed Christopher, these are all SERIOUS warning signs.
Even if the "scam clues" are not there, I would do some "background research"
on the seller or buyer. Do an IP Address Search, see where he really is.
Then Google both the E-mail AND the IP Address you get from that person,
they may be posted by people who got scammed by then before.
Scammers are LAZY! THey often recycle email addresses and such!
Sorry to say this, but be suspicious of people buying ham gear without valid callsigns.
I didn't say "Don't do it", just excercise extra caution.

I've had potential buyers always refer to what I was selling as "the item",
and never "Used SWL 20m RockMite". They never ask questions
a normal ham would ask:Why are you selling it? Will you give me a price break (hihi)?
Do you have the manual? Are you the original owner? Etc.

ALSO, a CLASSIC manuever during the sale is to change the terms, or
for the buyer or seller to have a "Family Emergency".
"My brother was in a bad car accident, is in the hospital.
I must go to him, please ship "the item" to my sister in England instead!"
Me: "Sorry about your brother. I'll hold it fer ya until you get home" Smiley

NOTE: There are some VERY good bogus Bank Checks and Money Orders,
usually from legit, largeU.S. credit unions, coming out of Romania and the
Russia. Never call the number on the check to verify it, look up the
credit union or whateever's REAL phone number on the Internet.
Phone number on the check is obviously to a boiler room operation to confirm it.
(or one of those "always busy" phone numbers. You can look numbers these up yourself for
free on the Net!) Scary, huh?

Always remember:
There is a HUGE difference between a check (money order, cashier's check,
whatever financial vehicle) from being CLEARED and being PAID. Just because
it says "Cleared" on the banks recorded message or your ATM slip, it does
NOT yet mean the money is %100 yours. When you sign the back of a
draft (check, MO< etc) in essence the bank is giving you a Signature
Loan that the draft (check, etc) is good for that amount. This keeps the wheels of commerece
turning. The bank doesn't get the REAL MONEY until the draft is actually PAID by
issuer. Your bank has up to ONE YEAR to come after you for a bad check, even if they "Cleared" it and you thought it was good. (Read that teeny tiny print on your
statement sometime, it's enlightening). And your bank can *just like that* take the money
out of any account you have. They don't need a judgement or lien.

The common thread in most of the scams that hit the news is the naivete of the scamee.
Christopher and others are right about this, but I ALSO think
that the scammers are going to grow more and more
sophisticated with their methods, tactics, and tools. Especially
as more banking and other transactions are done online.

My wife was filling out a job aplication online the other day
and they ASKED  FOR HER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!
When she left it blank, the software for the job application wouldn't
let her complete the application. She called up the company and
said that she would be happy to present her SS Card at an
interview when she presents her WRITTEN application.
"Oh we don't accept written applications anymore".
My wife is a medical professional with a Post Graduate degree
and 27 years experience in her field. She knows better than
to post her SSN online, but what about others?

That job application asked for every single thing one would EVER need
to hijack your credit.....hell, HIJACK YOUR LIFE!!

DOB, PLACE of Birth, Current Address, YEARS AT CURRENT ADDRESS,
Former Addresses and Years at former addresses, Spouse's FULL NAME AND OCCUPATION, phone numbers, SSN,(Which SHE REFUSED TO GIVE THEM!) former employers w/addresses & phone, Professional references w/addresses & phones, PERSONAL References with Addresses & phones, Educational background with schools, dates, grades & degrees. MAN!
THAT is the New Age of Scamming, I'm afraid....
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KG4YMC
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2010, 10:08:00 PM »

welcome to the new age of job applications. If you show up in person and want to fill out an application they send you to there computer. Usually with a trackball that doesn't work. A login program that needs  upper  lower case, #s  ect , plus  the name of your mother maiden name ect ect. If you  want to talk to the manger or a real live human being they act like your from another planet.  Also about 5 security  personal ?s. Wal mat is good this way .   Went to man power and got job,  tho.  but wal world would rather hire new help thu man power than pay benefits for new hires . We have same thing here with state of florida ops workers. didin't mean to get off track, just a heads up. Oh I have a saying " if the price is a steal , it probably is "   beware.  this guy could do some research , I mean duh , the 718 alone is at least 540, comeon. kg4ymc    as they say you cannot fix stupid.  Kg4ymc    look what they elected.
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AD6KA
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 12:34:36 PM »

KG4YMC
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Went to man power and got job,  tho.  but wal world would rather hire new help thu man power than pay benefits for new hires .

Glad you got the job dude, but that is one of the reason
I and many of my friends refuse to shop at Wal Mart.
Walmart wprkers make less than comparable retail employees.
With some of the biggest profits in the world, Walmart can do better by its people.
Walmart’s entry into an area depresses wages and displaces
better-paying retail jobs, forcing small local businesses to close.
All part timers or agency hires, their very rare full time
hires don't even get an affordable medical insurance benefit option.
They get handed a Medicaid Application.

ALL their products are made in countries that pay their
workers 25 cents a day, violate human rights and pollute
the environment.
And they have the temerity to promote themselves
as where America shops
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 08:17:09 AM »

419 is the code for elicit or otherwise corrupt dealings in a certain WA country, perhaps the most prolific source of most internet scams.

A interesting site has evolved from this called "419 eater".  I recommend that all should read this interesting, and sometimes funny site, to get a handle on how internet and mail fraud is conducted.  It might save you some hard earned cash, or perhaps a red face test if you happen to fall for these faceless criminals.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 05:43:24 PM »

I once saw a site called Spies on Line, their banner was a cat in a Sherlock Holmes cap with a magnifying glass, endless info there
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AD6KA
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 01:57:47 PM »

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A interesting site has evolved from this called "419 eater".

Hi GM0ULK:
Yes, 419eater.com is an interesting site, and is
where I forst learned about "scambaiting". While there
are many amusing stories there, that site and it's owner, "Shiver"
endorse and encourage certain practices many Scambaiters, inculding myself,
find disturbing or unethical:

1) Getting scammers to have a funny tattoo put on their body.
On the surface, it IS amusing. But with the pandemic presence of
HIV/AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa, this is dangerous. Tattooing,
especially in unsanitary Third World conditions is high risk vector
for HIV. "Well, the scammer deserved it". OK, but say the scammer is married,
and infects his wife? Or worse concieves an infected child? The
child is undeniably an innocent victim.

2) Cash Baiting. Getting the scammer to send YOU cash.
    Even if you donate the money to charity, does it make you
    any different, ethically & morally, than the scammer? No, it makes YOU a scammer.

3) "The Burn Letter". 419 Eaters LOVE to end their scam baits with a long, abuse filled
letter to the scammer detailing how they were being toyed with all along, and that "I am
smarter than you". All this really does, besides inflate the ego of the scambaiter,
is to EDUCATE THE SCAMMERS how NOT to fall for scambaiter tactics in the future!

I think a much better site for these activities is "thescambaiter.com".
More welcoming of newcomers, more educational, and some awesome scambaits pulled
on scammers that make the best of the "419eaters" look like pikers, IMHO.

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KG8JF
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 05:31:06 AM »

CAVEAT EMPTOR!
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KH6DC
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 10:31:20 AM »

Sad for this guy but I thought of all the recent scams going on since the 80's involving Ebay, Western Union, Cashier's Checks, etc., this guy would have an inkling of what was going to take place in his transaction.  Sorry to hear he got robbed. Angry
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73 and Aloha,
de Delwyn, KH6DC
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