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N7GCO
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« on: November 26, 2010, 04:58:16 PM »

This last weekend I noticed a number of hams using voice keyers for the SSB contest. They sounded very good. What are some of the best options for voice keyers (I do not do CW)?

Would like to get one before the next big contest.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 06:06:32 PM »

Full-featured contest logging programs --such as N1MM Logger (Free!  download at n1mm.com) and WriteLog-- have voice-keyer functions built-in -- using your computer's sound-card as the recording/playback device.

Freestanding self-contained voice-keyers are numerous.

See reviews here on eHam.net:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/39

I have used an MFJ-432 for many years.
That model is long discontinued, but can be found every now and then in eHam Classifieds and on eBay.

The current, more elaborate, version is the MFJ-434B.

73,
Mel - KS2G





 
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 06:51:38 PM »

Be sure to use the same microphone to record the voice messages that you will use during the contest. I use the freeware program Audacity to record, listen to, and edit my voice messages. You can look at the audio waveform and see whether you recorded it too loud and perhaps over-drove the sound card. You can also use Audacity's tools to "snip" off all but a very short period (10 to 20 msec) of "dead air" at the start and end of each message. Audacity lets you store the message in just about any audio file format, so at least one type of file it can create will be compatible with the contesting software you use.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 06:33:35 AM »

Yes the audio quality is important.

Nothing is more halting, at least to me to hear a canned report that sounds different from the live operator. I have to look twice to make sure its the same frequency/station. This pause more or less offsets any time you may have saved.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 01:02:54 AM »

Audacity is a great program to process your canned audio responses and best of all it's free. I use it to remove noise, the spacing at the beginning and end and level the audio so it matches the output level of the mic I am using. I use my rigblaster for AFSK and for VK duty and I don't have to change any settings.

For whatever reason I've never been able to get the N1MM voice keyer function to work so I've been using a free program called appropriately "voice keyer" and that works without a hitch for me.

If you use a voice keyer it is best if you use one that is connected to whatever logging program you use so it is integrated. Having to push any button not on your keyboard makes things not as convenient as they can be. If there's one thing you'll learn once you really get into contesting is that station integration is probably the most important thing next to your antennas.

And you should really consider doing CW as you can get away with a lot less power and antenna compared to phone.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 08:59:20 AM »

Dan, that's a really good point about having your
voice keyer integrated into your logging program
and keyboard. It's been on my "To Do List" for wayy too long.

I use the 5 DVR memories on my PROII and it's a PITA.
I have to back out of the band screen and mess with the
radio menu, then if I switch back to hunt and pounce, switch
back AGAIN. The PROIII lets you use the keyer and see the band screen
as I understand it.

Of course I could build the 5 button box to key
the memories, as described in the owners manual.
That too is on my "To Do List"!  Grin
Does anyone know if that device as built in
the PROII manual still allow you to view the
band screen?
I know there is a commercial device
for sale that advertises this feature but I'm not paying
$75 for a box with 5 buttons and some resistors and
connectors.

Even using the 5 memories that I do, I still trash my voice
in SSB contests and it takes me a few days to recover.
My wife is a Speech Pathologist and is always lecturing
me on proper voice modulation and volume. She comes into the shack
and says "You're raising you're voice again in the pileups, knock it off".
Me: "No, I'm not"
Wife: "Yes, you are. The door is closed and I can still
hear you in the living room!"  Grin

73, Ken  AD6KA
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2010, 09:21:03 AM »

As an active SSB contest operator I would like to make a few comments about voice keyers / DVR etc.

They can be useful. But generally if you want to post a big score in a contest you need to be very careful not to over use them.  I hear people all the time using them in what I think are the wrong way and limiting their contact rate and there score as a result.

As was said before. Please have the same sounding voice calling CQ and is doing the answering.
nothing throws me more some time that to hear big differences.  Same goes for making new recordings as the contest goes on and your voice changes.
 
Personally I use them only to call CQ.  And then usually only so I can listen on the second radio while I am calling CQ. 

A number of years ago, before the very widespread use of these devices N6TR made a post to the CQ-Contest email list. This post was made in the early 1990's just when one of the very first high quality DVP computer cards was coming to market.  It was a device made by K1EA.  You can find one version of that post here:

http://lists.contesting.com/_cq-contest/1994-07/msg00096.html

In fact I think this post is so good that I will repost it here:

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-> Sent: Mon Mar 23 18:20.
-> Re:   Beware the DVP!

        The K1EA DVP keyer sounds like a neat piece of hardware.  I
        think we have all dreamed of operating a phone contest without
        a micro- phone.  I doubt many of use will actually do this in
        a serious contest, but having it available to handle the
        routine QSOs will certainly decrease the fatigue factor.
        However, there are appear to be some expectations that I feel
        are unrealistic with this device.

        First off, while the comparison of a live voice to the
        recorded voice proves the hardware is working, this does not
        mean your live voice and the recorded voiced are going to
        sound the same during the course of a contest.  There are two
        major reasons this is true.  First, your voice and what you
        say will change depend- ing of your rate and target audience.
        The other is that your voice is going to change during the
        contest as you use it up.

        You could create a number of different messages that are
        appro- priate for different times of the contest with
        different rate situations, but you may have a hard time
        predicting the situation and how your voice will be sounding
        ahead of time.

        Is this important?  Does it matter if people know you are
        using such a device?  This is a point that will probably be
        debated, but I feel that if non contesters can tell you are
        using some sort of prerecorded message, they are less likely
        to give you a contact.  Most phone contests require you to
        appeal to a larger audience than just the contesters.  The
   people at the top of the boxes all know they are giving a
        performance during the contest and it is necessary to lure in
        the non contesters so they will help you out.

        Many of these people are listening to you while doing
        something else in the shack.  They turned on their radio and
        tuned in a loud station and are "reading the mail".
        Eventually, you need to get the person to go over to the
        radio, press down their PTT switch and say their callsign.
        The most effective way to do this is to make your performance
        interesting and fun so they want to be a part of it.

        If they are comfortable listening to you and start feeling
        like they know you, and you say something like: "Only 2 hours
        to go and I need 200 contacts to break the record", they will
        probably make an effort to work you.

        I have operated the California QSO Party a number of times
        from California.  In 1982, I set a new record mostly because
        of the rates I had in the last couple of hours.  I used the
        technique of saying how many minutes were left in the contest
        and how many QSOs I needed.  The response was amazing.  Even
        some of the members of the household came and watched me
        operate.

        As the contest wears on you, and your voice changes.  This can
        be part of the act.  If you sound like you can barely talk,
        you can use that to your advantage.  I have had many
        "sympathy" contacts on Sunday.

        To me, the use of a DVP keyer would eliminate my ability to
        draw in non contesters.  I would sterilize my operation to the
        point that it is no longer a human performance.  I don't work
        many phone contests seriously these days (maybe one or two a
        year), but I do search around for a few hours on Sunday and
        help guys out.  I think I would be less likely to work someone
        using such a device.  For some reason I feel insulted if
        someone is using it to try to work me.  If he can't take the
        time to really talk to me, why should I go to the effort to
        work him?  I really do not enjoy working people who are using
        a CQ tape and then answer me with a totally different voice
        than the one I heard in the CQ.

        Another issue with this type of operation is the image
        contesters portray to the rest of the amateur community.
        Phone contests are much more visible than CW contests.  If you
        have ever listened around 20 phone minutes before the sprint
        starts and compare it to what is happening 5 minutes into the
        contest, you may feel ashamed to call yourself a contester.  I
        am not sure what effect universal use of the DVP device would
        have on this image, but I am afraid it would not be good.  If
        people catch on to the fact that we are calling CQ over and
        over again by just pressing a button, I would have a hard time
        feeling that their use of the frequency might not be more
        worthy.

        I know it is the same thing as punching the button on your
        memory keyer, but the CW bands are not as crowded as the phone
        bands and there are not anywhere the number of people
        listening to us.  Also, it is possible to use a memory keyer
        without anyone being able to tell the difference between a
        live performance and a prerecorded on.  Again, I feel strongly
        that this is impossible on the second day of the contest
        unless you keep rerecording your messages over as your voice
        changes, or just never use your live voice.

        The recorded receiver audio feature is another matter.  This
        can be used without any impact to your performance.  This
        feature alone may be worth the money.  I plan to support the
        DVP card with my logging program mainly because of this.

        My point in writing this is to make sure people think about
        how this device will affect their score in ways they may not
        of before reading this.  If I have made you think seriously
        about some of the potential downfalls about using this device,
        then I have achieved my goal.

        Has anyone thought about how to efficiently handle the
        multitude of stations who call you with just the last two
        letters of their call?  Boy I hate phone contests anymore!!
        Maybe the DVP can record "Please whole callsigns only" in 100
        different languages.  You could use separate transmitters
        pointing into different directions and have it in the
        appropriate language for each different beam heading. Japanese
   for 300 degrees, Spanish for 150 degrees and a random language
        for 30 degrees.

        73
        Tree  N6TR
        tree@cmicro.com


       
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