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Author Topic: Nissan 350Z  (Read 2230 times)
ND4DX
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« on: November 30, 2010, 04:36:14 PM »

Has anyone went through the learning curve for a good place to mount a Comet trunk lip mount on the rear of the 350Z ROADSTER and how to get the coax through the trunk into the passenger compartment.?
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 10:10:08 AM »

Personally, I wouldn't use a clip mount. Once you open and close the hatch enough times, you'll end up with more damage than a hole will cause.

Almost all passenger vehicles have an easy access to the trunk along side the rear seat. Sometimes you have to take the bottom cushion out, but that's no big deal either. You're going to have a harder time fishing the power cable through the firewall. If your 350Z is like the 2007 one, there is an unused grommet to the left of the steering column.

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 10:29:30 AM »

"Personally, I wouldn't use a clip mount. Once you open and close the hatch enough times, you'll end up with more damage than a hole will cause."

Clip mounts do not necessarily cause damage.  I've used on for 15 years now; with no damage.  If anything a clip mount could result in a scratch in the paint.

I think it is far easier to rework a scratch than a hole...

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Carl - W9PMZ

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 10:36:27 AM »

Here's what you do Carl. Go to my web site, and bring up the Antenna Mounts article, and look at the photo.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 11:24:16 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 11:41:10 AM »

"Here's what you do Carl. Go to my web site, and bring up the Antenna Mounts article, and look at the photo."

OK, so I will post my picture with no damage.  I have a Diamond K400 with a Comet B10 with no damage mounted on the lip of my Ford Explorer for 7 years and now my Ford Escape.

So what has been proved? 

I assert that a properly install clip mount, used within it's limits will cause no damage.  It's when foolish people try to install massive loads on a clip mount that it was not designed for.

So if you are driving down the road.  And you have sturdy antenna mounted and you strike an affixed object.

     a)  would you rather have a clip mount ripped from the lip, or
     b)  would you rather have the antenna base ripped from the roof

If lip mounts were a massive problem as you are suggesting then go on living in the sky is falling world.

But they do work and if used within their limitations they are a good device to use and do not cause damage.

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Carl - W9PMZ

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 12:11:17 PM »

Mark, try it now.

Carl, I didn't say they didn't work, albeit K400 mounts do add some ground loss. And, about 4 dB of additional loss at UHF due to the coax used with the K400 and most similar mounts. Whether you agree or not, drilling a hole is still the best method. If clip mounts were the cat's meow, you'd see commercial shops using them.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 02:29:15 PM »

Having installed antennas in all manner of vehicles over the years, I have yet to have one ripped out of an NMO mount. Of course, I'm not stupid enough to install five-foot tall antennas like some of the Comets and Diamonds in the middle of a roof, either. I've installed Antenna Specialist and Larsen commercial antennas as well as Larsen NMO270s in probably four dozen vehicles over the years.

As for trunk mounts, as long as the antennas as under 36" or so, they work, but I would never use one on any vehicle of mine.

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If clip mounts were the cat's meow, you'd see commercial shops using them.

Alan beat me to it. Same deal for Pacific Rim antennas; commercial shops won't touch them. Hams will buy anything.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 03:21:34 PM »

"Carl, I didn't say they didn't work, albeit K400 mounts do add some ground loss. And, about 4 dB of additional loss at UHF due to the coax used with the K400 and most similar mounts. Whether you agree or not, drilling a hole is still the best method. If clip mounts were the cat's meow, you'd see commercial shops using them. "

BFD, the 4dB doesn't matter squat in an urban repeater rich enviroment.

As to the commercial arguement, again BFD, I'm not a commercial enterprise.  Part 97 forbids that, remember that?  The needs and requriements between a casual user and a commercial user are vastly different.

And I never said that they were the "cat's meow".  Given the needs and the requirements of the given installation a clip on (lip) mount is an entirely useful method.

My opinion.

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Carl - W9PMZ
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 04:08:12 PM »

As to the commercial arguement, again BFD, I'm not a commercial enterprise.  Part 97 forbids that, remember that?  The needs and requriements between a casual user and a commercial user are vastly different.


Actually, they are not. A quality antenna on a properly installed mount that returns the best performance value for the money invested is (or at least SHOULD be) the goal of both the commercial and the amateur user. The difference in cost between top-of-the-line performance and "adequate" performance is so small as to be insignificant. Indeed, those suckered by Diamond and Comet's advertising hype (for amateur-grade antennas) pay more than they would for Larsen's commercial grade antennas - and the Larsens are pretty much indestructable. The same cannot be said of the Pacific Rim antennas.

As for mounts - I'll take what the "big boys" use as compared to overpriced amateur-grade stuff. But that's just me; I guess I have a higher standard of what constitutes a quality installation. Just because we are amateur radio operators doesn't mean our installations have to be amateurish.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 02:47:00 AM »

commercial vs average ham?

commecial vehicles 100K miles per year?  me, 10K.  durability is much more a need for the commercial user...

4dB or 5dB more loss maybe, the difference between a commecial vehicle missing an instruction vs. me missing the last yawn...

commercial user vs. amateur user, different...

we will just have to agree to disagree...

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carl - w9pmz
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 08:01:42 AM »

Commercial INSTALLS, ie, done by professionals, not necessarily commercial vehicles. And not all "commercial" vehicles do 100k a year, by a long shot and not all non-commercial vehicles are low milage per year. My non-commercial personal vehicle got 35k a year until I retired.

Yea, we'll agree to disagree.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2010, 06:51:21 AM »

HI Fred,
after everyone quits comparing " how much bigger mine is" I for one would like to know what solution you've come up with. I have thought about buying a 350z at different times and wonder about antennas and radio mounting solutions

Mike
KC9BUH

by the way I have used UHF/NMO  Hole/Lip mount antennas systems. depends on the cirumstance.
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