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Author Topic: Government grant money need For American Ham radio manufactures  (Read 12066 times)
ONAIR
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2011, 07:09:50 PM »

Not really needed!  My late '50s, early "60s gear is pretty much immune to EMP.  However, if Uncle Sam is willing to give all us hams big bucks to start building our own rigs right here at home, then I'm all for it! Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2011, 07:55:51 AM »

Whatever happened to capitolism? Can none of these people do anything without the financial support and control of the government?  Cry
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N2EY
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2011, 03:09:04 PM »

Capitalism in the USA has benefited from subsidies of various kinds since the Constitution was written, if not longer.

Subsidies can be direct or indirect, obvious or subtle. They can help an industry or business, or hurt it.

I can't think of a single American industry today that isn't subsidized in some way. Most are subsidized in many indirect ways.

The question is whether a subsidy produces the desired results.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2011, 09:27:25 PM »

If all our high-tech, microprocessor-controlled radios get toasted by an EMP, couldn't amateur radio operators just dig through their junk box and put together a transmitter and receiver? Heck, I did that when I was 12.

But could you do it today?

Seriously...how many hams reading this could put together a complete station from parts and information they have on hand?

My problem is that my junk box ain't what it used to be. The good news is that I have a couple of ARRL handbooks  in book form so at least I wouldn't have to look anything up on line.

But, as was pointed out, resourcefulness is the most valuable resource to have when the worst case scenario comes to pass.
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K1DA
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2011, 08:07:53 PM »

   The first thing you will be looking for after a man made "EMP incident"  (is that the new PC term?) bad enough to blow up disconnected radio gear is medical attention.
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N5RWJ
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2011, 03:12:05 PM »

Here's a clue for you -- the US Government has ALREADY spent way more money than they should have on SDR -- it's called the Joint Tactical Radio System (JTRS).

Look it up.  And look at how many ZEROES are in the appropriations.  It is obscene. 

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john W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3EDE/AAM3RE/AAA9SL
Look for us to see Ham  SDR tech, grant money must go to known Ham manufactures and not airplane , ship or rocket ship builders that try to make radios.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2011, 12:41:16 PM »

All another  government grant will do is help open another factory in China!

Governments programs funding local manufacturing  have a very poor performance history. As long as the Chinese undervalue their currency and pay slave wages thats where all our manufactured goods will be coming from. We (us) have made China what it is through our own stupidity, unfortunately its now to late to stop the Chinese dragon. 

The edge and superiority that Western economies had which was our industrial and skill base  and technology has been exported. We have also exported our own jobs by buying rubbish fooling ourselves thinking that it as good as the locally manufactured goods. As long as we have silly free trade agreements that says its fair that 2 dollars a week wages can compete with 16 dollar an hour minimum wage there will be no investors opening factories in any Western country.

The Chinese will control most of the commodities markets around the world  and will probably be in control of most of the wealth production soon, this is as inevitable as night following day. The politicians will be happy because they can feel more comfortable dealing with a secret undemocratic regime that can actually hide the corrupt money trail that ends at all  political party's doors..

Unfortunately while most voter snooze our way our of life, manufacturing prowess and jobs are being exported. When everyone   has a job a casual job at Mcdonalds maybe then will people finally decide to do something about the bums who let this happen!

If you want to help yourself and your country learn Chinese!




Without American radio or other related manufactures ,we may not have communication gear to support our nation in emergencies and attacks from belligerents, some think EMP will likely knock out most of our Ham gear and electric power in an attack, or attacks on Japan or elsewhere. I don't think we will get replacement  HAM gear or parts from overseas quickly ( DO YOU )? Is it time for American Ham manufactures to get research and development  grant money from our Government to help protect "WE The People". HAVE YOUR SAY


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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2011, 12:05:42 PM »

Give me a break.

The last thing the general public needs in an emergency is a bunch of overweight duffers in orange vests all yelling into a HT, "can you hear me now". From time to time some one with ham gear will perform a public service but for that matter our track record is no better than truckers with CB sets.

Hams cannot handle the large amount of digital traffic necessary in an emergency. We have poor interagency skills and for the most part are not available in large scale when the need arises. Ask any ARES responder their exact function with the city government and emergency services and they can't tell you.

One cell phone channel can handle more data than 100 repeaters. Fifty years ago ham equipment we a viable option but our traffic capacity has remained unchanged.

Technology has moved on.

After Hurricane Katrina left town the cell phone companies had 80% of the cell system back on line in New Orleans by the end of the eight day.


The only purpose Ham radio serves in an emergency is for human interest stories on the 5 O'clock news.

And yet another clueless anti-emergency service flamer steps up to the plate, eyes the pitcher, takes a wink, swings....and he MISSES!

In those seven days before the cell companies could only get 80% of the net up, Amateur Radio operators were doing exactly what they said they'd do...Provide necessary emergency communications for essential users...

Don't take my word for it...Ask the American Red Cross...And FEMA...And the Department of Defense...And the Salvation Army...And the Governor of the State of Louisiana...Among others...All of them issued various statements of appreciation and praise for the services rendered by ARES and other groups using, ahem, Amateur Radio, during the Katrina / Rita evolution.

Why do people like K6AER insist on making such ill-advised and obviously inherently untrue statements when it is so easy to debunk their rants via un-indictable third party resources...?!?!

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

Steve Robeson, K4YZ
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2011, 12:17:25 PM »

Here's a clue for you -- the US Government has ALREADY spent way more money than they should have on SDR -- it's called the Joint Tactical Radio System (JTRS).

Look it up.  And look at how many ZEROES are in the appropriations.  It is obscene. 

73,
john W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3EDE/AAM3RE/AAA9SL

     If you really want to choke on your lunch...Do a little research on the Civil Air Patrol's recent expenditures...They've spent over $75M of your tax dollars since 2003, yet they are exponentially less capable of supporting their own internal communications, let alone effect support of a 'served agency'...

     That works out to about $1,350 per each and every CAP member on the rolls, cadet and senior, active and inactive.

     The Lion's share of that money was spent on several hundred Motorola QUANTAR repeaters that were allowed to sit in a Virginia warehouse while thier warranties expired because CAP and the Air Force didn't have the appropriate frequency coordination before making the purchases...

     And not one dime was allocated for upgrading the repeater sites themselves, many of which have coax, antennas and power supplies that are themselves 10-15 years or more old...That's like parking your new Ferrari in a chicken coop.

     Absolutley idiotic.

Steve Robeson, K4YZ
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2011, 06:51:40 AM »

Just a short note here! All I am reading here is China this and China that, OK you are somewhat right, but here is a fact that many donot know and it is verifiable. China only owns 11% of our debt. Thats all! The taxpayer owns the other 89%.. China ia not a big player some think they are. I would buy a US made rig, even if it was more $$, becaue it will be better made. Why? because we will demand it. A serious question-What is an EMP proof container for our rigs? This was mentioned earlier on this thread. This is interesting?
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2011, 07:07:42 AM »

A serious question-What is an EMP proof container for our rigs? This was mentioned earlier on this thread. This is interesting?

Thinking Faraday Cage?  Here's an idea -- Army surplus medical supply chest?

http://store.colemans.com/cart/medical-transport-chest-us-gi-aluminum-p-1279.html

Cleanup the edges and they might be quite serviceable.  If you want to pad the radios, conductive foam or those anti-static bubbles used in electronics packing might do the job for a reasonable price.

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john W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3EDE/AAM3RE/AAA9SL
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2011, 09:17:25 AM »

Conclusion: Forget about research grants for non-existent ham radio manufacturers, instead invest in metal garbage cans.
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2011, 09:52:57 AM »

China only owns 11% of our debt. Thats all! The taxpayer owns the other 89%.. China ia not a big player some think they are.

I disagree.

The 11% figure doesn't tell the whole story. You have to consider other factors.

For example:

- How quickly is that 11% figure growing? IOW, what was it 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc.?

- What's the interest on that 11%?

- What would happen if they decided they didn't want to take on any more US bonds or other securities?

- Why can't the USA pay its own way, and have a balanced budget, as well as full employment?  Why must we go hat-in-hand to other countries to borrow?

- What is all that money we borrow being spent on?

- How will we pay it back?

73 de Jim, N2EY
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2011, 03:32:35 PM »

God help us, we can't!
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ZENKI
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2011, 04:30:38 AM »

Its being spent on the military industrial complex(MIC). If the USA converted its spending from the military sector to the commercial sector the US economy would be unstoppable. 

Unfortunately for you guys the  party political system is built on the MIC and its associated corruption of the democratic process.  The only way  that i see that this system will be broken is when there is a revolution like the French Revolution in the USA. I would not be surprised if government tanks run down American citizens just like the Chinese did in the Tiananmen Square Massacre. You fighting powerful interests! Good Luck, you will need it.

A simpler way of fixing the problem is letting the whole economy fail and readjust without bloodshed, however you guys   would not let the wealthy scam artists be the fall guys, average Joe had to pay for their mistakes. Its so amusing reading that the   best capitalist  economy in the world had to be saved by socialist handouts. It was ok to privatise the wealth creation and whine about socialists, however when the system failed you nationalized the debt like a communist country. Why were shareholders not asked to shoulder their own gambling habit losses? Its okay for them to reap the profits however struggling Joe public has to pay for their losses and stupidity.

Seeing  capitalists become socialists when it saves their own rear ends is very amusing. The cruelest joke of all is that Mr Joe public will be given a very hard time filling in forms to get his pittance from state handouts while he has no job.  While he is getting his miserable handout  and  losing his house the shareholders capital is being saved by  the taxes he is paying. Who is the commie and who is the capitalist? When things are tough the investor likes commie style handouts and Mr Joe average  has to live with the capitalist ideals of market corrections, falling house prices or loss  and starvation like  the capitalist markets were supposed to operate. A cruel joke is truly being played on the public at large!

The market was not allowed to operate in the true free enterprise manner without intervention. Now that you have  given handouts and bailouts for a broken system there is no likelihood that it will be fixed, and you in for years of stagnation and stagflation. Sad to see the USA economy in such a mess. A debt  ridden broken system that now might see many States declaring chapter 11 bankruptcy. With all the jobs going to Mexico and China its hard seeing how there can be a comeback. This is what happened Japan and Japan is still in a mess 10 years later on. We never learn the lessons of history. Who says governments and countries cant fail?  How many have failed in Europe? Add them all up and you have a USA size economy, how many States in the USA are close to being bankrupt now?

Moral of the story, dont intervene in a capitalist market with socialist handouts that  saves wealthy crooks who should have been left too fail in their own misery which was their own making!

At least the Chinese government fixed their failed enterprises by hanging and jailing all the crooks who ran these fraudulent companies.
When will the death penalty be brought in for corporate criminals? The Chinese certainly fixed their problems and look at their GDP growth, WOW. Just a shame that they are communist dictatorship with very little regard for human rights. Guess you cant have everything?

""""""What is all that money we borrow being spent on?

China only owns 11% of our debt. Thats all! The taxpayer owns the other 89%.. China ia not a big player some think they are.

I disagree.

The 11% figure doesn't tell the whole story. You have to consider other factors.

For example:

- How quickly is that 11% figure growing? IOW, what was it 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc.?

- What's the interest on that 11%?

- What would happen if they decided they didn't want to take on any more US bonds or other securities?

- Why can't the USA pay its own way, and have a balanced budget, as well as full employment?  Why must we go hat-in-hand to other countries to borrow?

- What is all that money we borrow being spent on?

- How will we pay it back?

73 de Jim, N2EY
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