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Author Topic: The Validity Of Reviews  (Read 15393 times)
K0BG
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« on: December 24, 2010, 04:26:33 PM »

I'm posting this here for reasons which will become apparent.

I believe that the powers that be at eham.net do a very creditable job of running the site. I believe I have a better perspective of that than most, considering the popularity of my own personal web site. Like eham.net,  I receive a lot of palaver—good, bad, and ugly. I do my best to handle the good, to straighten out the bad, and I've learned to ignore the ugly. I am convinced that George, Mike, Clint, and others are doing the same thing on a daily basis. My hat is off to them!

However, I have a problem when the reviews are used to purposely derate a competitive product, just to make their own product look better! I wish this was an isolated case, but it is not. Attempting to filter such ugly palaver, is a losing proposition at best! In other words, how are the powers that be supposed to know what is a legitimate review, and which isn't?

Since one can't separate these three sins (good, bad, and ugly), the rest of us must take them with the proverbial grain of salt.
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2010, 08:03:53 PM »

Can you site some specific instances?

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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2010, 02:24:58 PM »

Yes I can Tisha. I'll be happy to do so, but in a private message. Discussing this openly, puts me in the same ugly position, and one I care not to be in.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2010, 06:12:25 PM »

I take everything I see on eHam.net with a grain of salt and figure that many posters have a personal motivation or prejudice for their opinions. Some others really do not have enough knowledge, logic or experience to form an opinion, but they will agree with and support prolific posters in an attempt to gain acceptance and maybe even garner an imaginary friend.  Roll Eyes

Personally, I have never found anything like that in the reviews. Unless you cite specific cases, these are only accusations. If they were true, you would not be afraid to name, names. This could be just baseless accusations from someone who lashing out at his detractors!  Angry
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 03:39:10 AM »

I quickly learned to take "reviews" with a grain of salt. Not just here but anywhere I read a review on the internet.
That's not to say that I don't look forward to the reviews here, in fact I look for the negative reviews to see what the complaint is. I often learn more about a product (or the reviewer) this way, I just discount any obvious bias that I can detect.
I am more concerned by the blatant "flaming" of companies performed here in the Forums. This is more damaging I think and often just mean spirited and juvenile. You need to give us more credit, we can see through most of this.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 03:24:03 PM »

Well, just to chime in.  I also use reviews very carefully.  I read all the reviews on a product, whether here or any place else, realizing that more folks tend to report a negative experience rather than a positive experience, look for obvious prejudices, whether positive or negative, then make my own decision based upon my needs.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2011, 03:47:11 PM »

I think it all depends on how you read a review.

I look at most of them as opinions. Some are well informed opinions, some aren't.

But for objective data I look at QST Product Reviews and lab tests, Sherwood Engineering comparisons, and other sources.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2011, 08:07:22 PM »

I have seen them delete such reviews that you mention. Once, some person's review was specifically critical of my review, and they deleted it because it was more an attack on me, than a review of the product.

Another time, I saw them delete an Icom 746pro review., because someone gave it a zero based on their IC-151 problems, but he didn't own or use one! LOL. In both cases they were right.

You have to look at the reviews with respect to 2 views. Some are only user and function reviews, and others are more in depth technical. But as long as the reviews are based on the products and not personal, I don't see a problem with them.
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2011, 11:21:41 AM »

Most hams are happy with a rig that works and they can make contacts with. I personally scan for the most negative reviews when considering a piece of equipment. Sometimes they can be brutally honest about the short comings of a product.

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2011, 08:51:52 PM »

Reviews - Yup.  When I lived in San Diego, there was an entertainment critic I used to read weekly.  If he panned something, I usually loved it.  If he loved it, I usually could barely prevent my self from retching while watching it.  So much for opinions, expert or otherwise.  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 06:33:25 AM »

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[Most hams are happy with a rig that works and they can make contacts with. I personally scan for the most negative reviews when considering a piece of equipment. Sometimes they can be brutally honest about the short comings of a product.


Very good point. One flaw in the review section is that you cannot see all "1" reviews on the same page. If you look at Amazon, you can actually select all reviews to view by rating, like 1 stars or 2 stars. Right now, if you take an Icom 746pro for example, most reveiws are hit and miss, love and hate. To see all the hate reviews, you need to view like all 32 pages. You cannot isolate by rating.

That would be a big help, if it could be done.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 11:56:06 AM »


Very good point. One flaw in the review section is that you cannot see all "1" reviews on the same page. If you look at Amazon, you can actually select all reviews to view by rating, like 1 start or 2 stars. Right now, if you take an Icom 746pro for example, most reveiws are hit and miss, love and hate. To see all the hate reviews, you need to view like all 32 pages. You cannot isolate by rating.

That would be a big help, if it could be done.

This is a good suggestion - I will add it to the list of features. 

Thanks

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 01:41:31 PM »

I enjoy looking at reviews, both here and at Amazon.  As Bruce mentioned, one can also learn a bit about the reviewers by their negative comments.  My favorites are those who poorly rate the FT-450 or FT-950 because of the internal tuner's inability to handle greater than 3:1 SWR.  The manufacturer clearly states that these tuners are designed to match SWR of 3:1 or less, yet several reviewers ding these rigs because the internal tuner does not do well with SWR greater than 3:1. This is not to say that I see no value in negative reviews, quite the contrary.  I just find it amusing when a piece of equipment gets bashed for performing exactly as advertised.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2011, 04:52:13 AM »

Reviews are supposed to be the personal opinions of the person making them, and as Alan has stated, are not supposed to be used to bash one piece of equipment in favor of another--especially when the person has a personal stake in the equipment being favored.  Sometimes it's hard to tell if that's the case--or not. 

One good way to get a sense of the reviewer is to go through some of this site and look for comments made by that person--something that the people who frequent this site can do easily enough, but may be a little tedious for those who don't.  You can generally get a good impression of the reviewers by looking at some of their other comments on things not related to the review of any one particular item--or the way that person talks about that particular item in other areas of this site..
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 06:50:13 PM »

Not a problem here on Eham but be cautious and suspicious when reading reviews on Amazon, companies will post fake positive reviews or hire people to post fake reviews on their product.
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