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Author Topic: Amateur radio is only for rich people  (Read 20008 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 12:11:18 PM »

Depends on what you want to do. If you want to build a 1st class contest station, yes, you'll need land and a lot of money. But there are plenty of clubs out there, many of which have club stations or members who will let you operate their stations from time to time. I know in our club there are members who have sold other members equipment at a better than fair price to help them get on the air.

But compared to many other hobbies it's a bargain. Buy a boat. Or an antique car. Or a new Harley. And I'm always shocked by what people are willing to pay for tricking out off-road vehicles (that they end up wrecking).
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 12:42:29 PM »

Maybe if you are in a country  where $1 a day is the average wage, it is for rich people. In that case, working for a government department that can send you to Geneva ($8 for a beer!) you are pretty well off anyway and not in a position to comment. It's also interesting how many delegates from 'thirld world' countries can be inadvertently met around the Rue du Berne and the other places where the 'professional ladies' stand outisde dubious establishments.

Before you ask, the Rue du Berne is the route down to the pub, the 'Grand Duke'!
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 08:38:39 PM »

Hmmm... What business is it of anyone how much money I or anyone makes. Before the Academic Communists indoctrinated their students here in the US, it was rude to be overly concerned about another person's private property - especially money.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 08:39:17 PM »

I'm certainly not rich my a long shot. My wife and I have an average income. I am thankful for what I have. Many do not have a job thanks to washington. Many live on a fixed income or have to rely on social security.
Ham Radio is a great hobby and I'm thankful I am able to participate in it!

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 08:42:32 PM »

Hmmm... What business is it of anyone how much money I or anyone makes. Before the Academic Communists indoctrinated their students here in the US, it was rude to be overly concerned about another person's private property - especially money.

I don't see anyone "overly concerned"...and what is an "Academic Communist" lol
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 04:49:30 AM »

if im rich then where the hell is all my money....

It's all in your shack!
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2012, 12:51:46 PM »

...and what is an "Academic Communist" lol

I'll hazard a guess.... usually a  lecturer type in one of our state university's who teaches young and impressionable students that the world somehow owes them a living or that maybe the wealth in our society should be redistributed...
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 05:10:38 PM »

Communism is based on the notion that the working class, who collectively constitute the main producer of wealth in society, and who are perpetually exploited and marginalised by the wealthy class, should change the capitalist system by eliminating most private property and by holding practically all wealth in common.    (paraphrasing, perhaps poorly, some info from from Wikipedia)

Getting a good explanation of Communism from a Capitalist is almost as hard as getting a good explanation of Buddhism from a Christian.  I am neither a Communist nor a Capitalist so take my above synopsis with a grain of salt.  It would be nice if we could discuss the merits and drawbacks of both Communism and Capitalism without demonizing either, but I haven't seen much evidence that it can be done  Smiley

Communists don't like it when Capitalists point out that freeloaders would be rewarded as much as hard-workers. Capitalists don't like any discussion of Communism that does not demonize it.  However, since very wealthy Capitalists control both political parties in America it is very unlikely that Communism could ever get any traction here.  That said, scaring the public about socialism is about as good a method as warmongering and flag-waiving are when it comes to self-serving politicians trying to attract our votes.


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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 05:22:19 PM »

     No it is not,as every amateur radio operator knows.Why is this thread even in this forum??
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 05:46:18 PM »

if im rich then where the hell is all my money....
     Best place place to check is the wife, the kids, and the IRS.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »

Communism is based on the notion that the working class, who collectively constitute the main producer of wealth in society, and who are perpetually exploited and marginalised by the wealthy class, should change the capitalist system by eliminating most private property and by holding practically all wealth in common.    (paraphrasing, perhaps poorly, some info from from Wikipedia)

Getting a good explanation of Communism from a Capitalist is almost as hard as getting a good explanation of Buddhism from a Christian.  I am neither a Communist nor a Capitalist so take my above synopsis with a grain of salt.  It would be nice if we could discuss the merits and drawbacks of both Communism and Capitalism without demonizing either, but I haven't seen much evidence that it can be done  Smiley

Communists don't like it when Capitalists point out that freeloaders would be rewarded as much as hard-workers. Capitalists don't like any discussion of Communism that does not demonize it.  However, since very wealthy Capitalists control both political parties in America it is very unlikely that Communism could ever get any traction here.  That said, scaring the public about socialism is about as good a method as warmongering and flag-waiving are when it comes to self-serving politicians trying to attract our votes.


A quote I heard Russians had ... " we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us".

And then under the emerging capitalist system in England ... "The way to get workers to stay in factories where the conditions are so poor is to pay them subsistence wages, then they will have to work or starve.
And starving people are quiet."

If you read a book by Le Bon called "The crowd"  you will find most of the behaviour and control systems which are used in society.
Incidentally both Mussolini and Hitler read the book and used its techniques to their purposes.
It's techniques are still used today by most governments.
Very enlightening reading.
You can find it free on Gutenberg.net if you are interested.

73s
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 05:56:46 AM »

Communism is based on the notion that the working class, who collectively constitute the main producer of wealth in society, and who are perpetually exploited and marginalised by the wealthy class, should change the capitalist system by eliminating most private property and by holding practically all wealth in common.    (paraphrasing, perhaps poorly, some info from from Wikipedia)

Getting a good explanation of Communism from a Capitalist is almost as hard as getting a good explanation of Buddhism from a Christian.  I am neither a Communist nor a Capitalist so take my above synopsis with a grain of salt.  It would be nice if we could discuss the merits and drawbacks of both Communism and Capitalism without demonizing either, but I haven't seen much evidence that it can be done  Smiley

Communists don't like it when Capitalists point out that freeloaders would be rewarded as much as hard-workers. Capitalists don't like any discussion of Communism that does not demonize it.  However, since very wealthy Capitalists control both political parties in America it is very unlikely that Communism could ever get any traction here.  That said, scaring the public about socialism is about as good a method as warmongering and flag-waiving are when it comes to self-serving politicians trying to attract our votes.




Maybe you would prefer to live in North Korea?
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2012, 07:19:13 AM »

"The only thing wrong with Communism is that the US has interfered and never let it be fully tried!"

Read the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. Karl Marx suggests that 20% of the citizenry needs to be killed off because they resist Communism. Great! Any system of government that sees the killing of a segment of its population is deserving of the ash bin of history. Capitalism is simply the free market. Stop government meddling.
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2012, 07:36:55 AM »

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"Getting a good explanation of Communism from a Capitalist is almost as hard as getting a good explanation of Buddhism from a Christian.  I am neither a Communist nor a Capitalist so take my above synopsis with a grain of salt.  It would be nice if we could discuss the merits and drawbacks of both Communism and Capitalism without demonizing either, but I haven't seen much evidence that it can be done  Smiley

It's not like there's nothing out there about them - especially in their own words and deeds. Their own quotes convict them. The merits of freedom vs Marxism is well know. Only Academic Communists insist on shoving their version of Taqiyya down our kids throats. Is it any wonder that the current generation of publicly schooled youth don't get it?
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2012, 10:53:47 AM »

You can get a Baofeng 2m/440 ht for 50 bucks delivered.  that is the price of a decent meal in a restaurant.  that is cheap.  you can build antennas and get older but functional used gear ( almost every thing in my shack was bought used, ) and Sometimes I give a new ham stuff for free, just because I can, like recently I gave a new ham an alinco HT because they were fairly young and needed so proof  that folks noticed haw well they did at a young age ( 11 years old I think) so ham radio is not for rich folks only.
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