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Author Topic: Is cw dead? Art Bell thinks so.  (Read 2405 times)
N0IBY
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2003, 09:52:07 PM »

I really and truly feel sorry for those who have become hams with the thinking that CW is dead or should be dead. It's a shame they've never been drawn into the fun and mystery of CW and may never know the pride of accomplishing even 5 wpm. It is indeed a skill, not an easy one to master, and anyone who will devote themselves to it should be commended. Yes, there will always be CW ops around... we'll never, ever go away.
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W5ARS
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2003, 07:23:22 AM »

Sorry to say, but Art Bell is right. a quick check of the ham bands from 80m to 10m found:

1 on 80m cw
6 on 40m cw
0 on 30m though 10m cw

At the same time the phone segments were very active. While the numbers do change the use of the cw segments of the HF bands are very limited compared to the use of the  phone segments.  
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2003, 05:09:02 PM »

STOP the PRESSES!

Heavy psychic phenomena erupted into our universe around the 24 and 25th of last month.  Thousands of hams reported hearing thousands of CW signals from beyond.

Thousands of hams have reported continued hearing of CW signals from beyond.  One signal is reported to having emanated from within Somalia, a country where there are few alive human beings using voice and digital signals on ham radio.

Psychic experts express doubts however that the CW signals are coming from the dead in the beyond.  Instead, they believe the reported death of CW to be a mere hoax, proving that not every ham has a full compliment of tubes in their receiver or transmitter.

dah di dah

Bob
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KB1GYQ
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2003, 11:40:13 PM »

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KG4PIL
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2003, 12:30:22 AM »

 I've only been a ham for about 2 years. But as an ex Army CW operator,CW is what attracted me to the hobby. SSB in not my cup of tea. When CW leaves ham radio, I'll be gone too.
  de KG4PIL George
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WA9SVD
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2003, 04:31:57 PM »

Fortunately, Mr. Bell does not make the FCC decisions on such matters.  He's entitled to an opinion, just as anyone else.  And with no disrespect or malice to Mr. Bell, I believe CW will be alive and well long after he has passed away.  (And for his sake, I hope that's a long time.)
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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2003, 11:44:22 AM »

>by NN6EE on June 15, 2003  
>The lower, as of now exclusive Extra CW freqs, should be OPENED UP for General thru EXTRA because those BOYZ are'nt using them!!!
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>It's a fact that EXTRAS get their upgrades because the WANT PHONE privileges NOT CW, and especially at 5wpm why would the illustrious
>"Extra-Lites" want to EMBARRESS themselves!!!
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>Encourage CW and OPEN the frequencies those guys DON'T use anymore except for a minuscule FEW!!! It's a FACT!!!
 
Jim, if you want the Extra privileges then you should earn them by passing the Extra exam like others have done.  Sounds like you just want a hand out.  I'm one of your so-called "Extra-Lites."  But if you want I would love to have a sked with you on CW and see if you can embarrass me.  We could meet on 14.015Mc if you can operate there.
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2003, 03:46:27 PM »

W5ARS wrote:
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Sorry to say, but Art Bell is right. a quick check of the ham bands from 80m to 10m found:

1 on 80m cw
6 on 40m cw
0 on 30m though 10m cw

At the same time the phone segments were very active. While the numbers do change the use of the cw segments of the HF bands are very limited compared to the use of the phone segments.
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I dare you to listen during one of the big CW contests. The CW segments are PACKED.

Mike N2MG
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WA9SVD
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2003, 01:20:43 AM »

Reminds me of a philosophical dilemma:

   "God is dead."  Quote Goethe

    "Goethe is Dead"   Quote God.

    Just because anyone (famous, infamous, or just a man on the street) states an opinion, doesn't make it correct or a fact.  As they say about opinions, everyone has one...  IMHO, of course.
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K0RS
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2003, 07:33:57 AM »

W5ARS says:

Sorry to say, but Art Bell is right. a quick check of the ham bands from 80m to 10m found:

1 on 80m cw
6 on 40m cw
0 on 30m though 10m cw

At the same time the phone segments were very active. While the numbers do change the use of the cw segments of the HF bands are very limited compared to the use of the phone segments.

To which K├śRS replies:

Bull.  Zero stations on 30 thru 10?  What are you using for an antenna, a dummy load?  Or a dummy operator?  I've NEVER heard zero signals on 20m CW when the band is open.  Could be you can't get a grip on propagation?  What was the A Index?  A 100?  Heavy use of 10m phone?  At night?  Sure.  I don't even think you're THAT dumb.  The polite word for it is disingenuous...

Ain't the vanity call system grand?  It almost makes KC5ARS sound like he's been around long enough to know what he's talking about.

Art Bell and Wayne Green are buddies.  Now there's a scary thought.  Wayne the Pain even mentioned stopping to visit Art the Fart on one of his recent adventures.  Wouldn't it have been hilarious to have been a fly on the wall for that little convocation!  You could listened to two of the most bonafide cranks in ham radio talk about how the moon landings were faked.  Jeez, Louise...  
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HAMESCHEESE
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2003, 07:41:53 PM »

Perhaps Art Bell would like some cheese with his ham.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2003, 05:44:52 PM »

Art Bell (and Wayne Green) both think that the Apollo moon landings never really happened, either.  CW isn't anywhere nearly as dead as these guys' minds.
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2004, 09:27:45 PM »

Sorry to say but it is now a rare contest that even sees 50% of the CW bands used. Even Field Day no longer finds enough hams to fill the CW portions of the bands. I have found to many hams that want to argue on behalf of CW but will not touch their CW Key. I challenge all of you to put your fingers where your mouth is! I am sure that Arkansas is not the only Section trying to keep its last cw net(s) going. If you want to prove to me that CW is not dead then don't let nets like The Ozark CW Net die! There passing says it all!
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W5ARS
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2004, 09:54:56 PM »

Ok LARRY is that the best you can do, insult me! There is nothing wrong with my Amateur Radio Station, The CW stations were not there, But the SSB stations were elbow to elbow! You've NEVER heard zero signals on 20m CW, well again I looked and there is not one CW station on 20m, but that is not true of the phone portion of the band. Now surely you are not dumb enough to think that my radio only works on the phone portion and not the CW portion? As for day to day usage CW is just not there like it was 20, 30, or 40 years ago.
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W4EWJ
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2004, 09:45:38 PM »

Wanna hear some CW not in the ham bands (well sometimes
the same station is on 10,126 and 3926) lsn on
alternate nights at 2300gmt  8009khz or 8135khz...he'll
be on one or the other...want more? try 10235khz,
8072khz (FDI8), 5945khz, 8043khz, 8132, 33, 34 (Hispanic) manual cw using bugs, 5302khz (cw numbers
sta) Except for the 8009, 8135 sta which is like
clock work ea. wkday eve the others are random...
4XZ has a wheel going all the time with hvy  tfc  
most of the time...8BY sends short coded grps on
several hf freqs, lots of Russian, N. Korean, Chinese,
pt to pt, health and welfare (for fishing fleet and
merchant ships) and more. I could go on and on...
Upper 7mhz band vy early am, 12mhz during late pm.
A lot of  the cw is clandestine and the times and
freqs are random so it takes some  effort (and time)
Along with english mores theres Cyrillic, Hungul, Arabic and others.

OK there will be somebody that wants to challenge and
say well The U.S. does not use CW anymore...would
that somebody like to make me a bet for around 10k?

There has actually been an increase in CW on  HF
for  the last year. Along  with an increase in RATT,
and various pure digital modes, with some cw back up by the way. On 8043khz at times theres automated cw
coded grps that goes on for hrs starting in the early
eve. Mostly its RATT tho. Hate to burst your bubble
out there but theres more CW, RATT and pure  digital
than SSB on HF...Theres some Russian FSK CW, hoe many
of you have ever hrd that or even know what it is?

The bias against CW is mostly from guys who dont know
it, cant learn it (why?) dont appreciate the unique
qualities of CW, they tend to be knob twisters, lazy,
fat smelly hogs. An old saying goes "any dumb SOB can
speak into a mic" takes no training, smarts, effort,
or ability...anybody dispute that? listen on 80mtr
SSB. BWT, dont give a damn if you like what I just
said or not...I've paid my dues.  Grant that SSB is
an important part of the hobby...just dont knock my
part of the avocation...all Bell knows is a mic.

ewj


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