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Author Topic: Switchover without ID -- what's the protocol?  (Read 374 times)
VA7CPC
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« on: September 27, 2006, 04:44:43 PM »

A baby question . . .

When I'm in a 2-station CW QSO, and want to invite the other station to transmit, _without_ repeating callsigns, what do I send?

BTU [KN]      or

BK  [KN]      or

[BK]     ( dahdidididahdit ) ?


Thanks.

   Charles
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N0IU
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2006, 03:07:20 AM »

Whenever you end with KN, that is an invitation for a specific station to transmit. If you don't include a callsign prior to the KN, how does anyone know to whom you are turning it over?

BK is the prosign to be used when you want the receiving station to transmit, so that would be most appropriate when you do not include the callsign. BTU is pretty much universally understood to mean the same thing.

Scott N0IU
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W5ESE
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 08:13:19 AM »

If you ask the other station a question, you may
not have to send any prosign at all. Many experienced
CW operators coverse fairly naturally, as if in
normal conversation, without using 'K', 'BK',
'KN', 'BTU', etc. It helps if both sides have full
breakin (QSK); this makes is easy to tell if you're
interrupting or being interrupted.

With newer or inexperienced CW operators, it's more
clear to use a prosign of some kind.

73 and have fun
Scott
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AD5X
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2006, 09:50:50 AM »

I always send BK.

Phil - AD5X
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WB2WIK
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 10:22:24 AM »

In a CW round table, even though I don't use full QSK and only "semi," I cut the delay down pretty short and don't use any "signs" at all when tossing the key around.

I use names.

Like, "Wl, u think tt but u shud tlk to my bro in law --  watsa Jim?"

By making the last word sent the name of the station I'm turning it over to, it's pretty clear who I meant.

On the rare occasion where two stations in the QSO have the same name, I'd think of something else, like maybe the last two letters of the other callsigns.

WB2WIK/6
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EXWA2SWA
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 11:03:42 AM »

I prefer BK as a prosign to turn it over - personal preference, I suppose. But please oh please: Don't respond to a BK turnover by initiating your end with BK! That's kinda like saying nothing but "Back to you" and then saying something. I had to break that habit & now use R, FB, HI or somesuch (depending on context) to initiate my transmission.

Some of the most fun & natural QSO's I've had have been those that were most like a conversation - which is how I read Steve's note above. They're the ones that get a special note in my log.

However you choose, hop on in & have fun!

73,
Jim KE5CXX
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VA7CPC
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2006, 01:22:05 PM »

Thanks everyone.

Sounds like "BTU BILL [BK]" will work OK.

Everything takes so long at 12 wpm! <g>
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2006, 05:18:39 PM »

What works is to say things like:

R U GOING TO THE GAME TONIGHT?  

(pause)  If he's sharp, he will say something like:

YEAH, U GG?  (Pause)

THINKING ABOUT IT BUT MIGHT BE LATE (pause)

Just ID every ten minutes, and sign off when done with an ID.  That's for two people conversing.  For more than two, do as WIK says:

HEY JIM GOING TO THE GAME TONIGHT?  (pause)

(Jim responds)  YEAH MIKE ARE YOU GOING?  (pause)

(Mike responds)  NOPE CAN'T MAKE IT  BILL YOU GOING TO THE GAME NEXT WEEK?  (pause)

Etc.  No prosign needed.  You are simply directing your comments to a specific person.  And then you pause to give that person time to answer.  A few weeks ago I stumbled across the most delightful QSO involving that technique, between just two guys, that went on for an hour at 25 wpm or so.  They ID'ed when needed, but mostly they just "talked."  

I realize, though, at 12 wpm, that 'pause' may not be enough.  So maybe toss in:

JIM YOU GOING TO THE GAME TONIGHT? K
YEAH I AM YOU GOING? K

That's all you need. Have fun!

Ed
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KT1B
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 04:35:13 PM »

I've always used BK and have found that it works well, it's quick, simple, and makes it clear that it's the other person's turn to transmit.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2006, 04:37:38 PM »

I do agree with the person who says that with full qsk you don't really need any pro-signs. I've never done it that way but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work, especially for experienced ops.
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