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Author Topic: Non-ham items at hamfests  (Read 23330 times)
KK4CPH
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« on: May 20, 2012, 10:10:43 AM »

Another reason why there's more junk at hamfests.
A google search brings up some great stuff.  Found this on a satellite forum from people looking to unload their "crap."
http://forums.satforums.com/SatForumMaster/index.php?msg=24071.1
And how about this quote from the original poster:
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We always knew hams are full of crap and busted the plumbing.
Load up all your garbage and come to hamfest.  Set up next to the tables with beef jerky and toys.   Angry
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 05:51:31 AM »

Another reason why there's more junk at hamfests.
A google search brings up some great stuff.  Found this on a satellite forum from people looking to unload their "crap."
http://forums.satforums.com/SatForumMaster/index.php?msg=24071.1
Load up all your garbage and come to hamfest.  Set up next to the tables with beef jerky and toys.   Angry

Useless password-only link.

There's one reason why "crap" gets brought to hamfests.....someone is buying it.  In the 80's, when the PC boom started, the horror of seeing computers and computer parts being sold at hamfests was enough for some to declare the "end of the hobby."  Some hamfest host clubs even had a list of unacceptable items for sale, including computers.  Those horrible high-tech gizmos just didn't belong in ham radio, apparently.  Other hamfest Nazis would establish a maximum percentage of non-ham items that you could have on your table.......never mind the fact that ham gear was usually the first to get sold in the morning and the evil computer gear or whatever took much longer to sell....all the while your non-ham items percentage was way-up.  When packet hit in a big way, the "computer-free hobby" goobers were silenced for good.  Now, any new HF rig is essentially a computer with an RF deck.....and SDR, oh the horror of it all.

Point is....if someone is selling beef jerky, tie-dye t-shirts, or Chinese hand tools, someone else is buying it.  The market dictates which sellers will return for the next event, and trying to regulate content doesn't work.  Seeing all of the dumpster-quality Tempo Ones and Heathkits at Dayton this year made me wonder if my time might have been better spent looking for a new socket wrench set.

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G3RZP
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 04:18:21 AM »

Some strictly 'non ham' stuff is useful, such as tools - I got a very nice Mitutoyo vernier height gauge the other year at Dayton for $15. This year some cheap carbide end mills, still with the plastic dip on them that manufacturers pack them with.

It's a moot point as to where things useful to the ham who rolls his own stop being ham radio. Ornaments, toys, old gramophone records and non-radio books are just some of the items I'd ban. Plus the computer junk. But even then, what about modern computer controlled test gear?
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 06:17:10 PM »

Yeah, too hard to police, and who's the final say-so, especially after someone has paid a seller's fee?

Mileages vary, but I think it's actually gotten a bit better in recent years, as the racks of software disks full of everything from kids games to hard core porn have disappeared.  Also, people aren't as fascinated with old computer parts as they once were.  The pulled Motorola gear is ever-present.  Great if it's useful for 440 or 900 MHz, but the 800 MHz gear or other freqs useless to hams, gets old sifting through.

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KK4CPH
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 08:11:58 AM »

Yeah, too hard to police, and who's the final say-so, especially after someone has paid a seller's fee?

Whoever the event organizer is.  They could just go thru the show and if someone is selling quilts, bird feeders, subwoofers, etc. then refund their money and have them pack it up.  I don't go to a computer show and expect to find an antenna or a tower.  When I see someone with a table of 8-tracks, turntables, and old cell phones, I ask them "Did you sell all your ham equipment already?"   Roll Eyes
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WN2C
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2012, 11:06:01 AM »

Considering clubs make some and maybe most of their money by holding the annual hamfest, why would you want to limit what could be sold? That vendor selling tools or LED lighting or other stuff (but not radio related) is still paying for his spot in the parking lot.  Besides, it may save you the extra trip to Home Depot later in the day for that whatchamacallit or whodigit that you need.

73 de wn2c  Rick



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who would have thunk it
whatchamacallit was in the spell checker!!?
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2012, 06:41:51 PM »

Yeah, too hard to police, and who's the final say-so, especially after someone has paid a seller's fee?

Whoever the event organizer is.  They could just go thru the show and if someone is selling quilts, bird feeders, subwoofers, etc. then refund their money and have them pack it up.  I don't go to a computer show and expect to find an antenna or a tower.  When I see someone with a table of 8-tracks, turntables, and old cell phones, I ask them "Did you sell all your ham equipment already?"   Roll Eyes

Haven't seen those items for sale here.....maybe it's different in Texas.  Local hamfests are typically shoestring endeavors...having "event organizers" police content will sink many of those hamfests quickly. 

Again, I'm just not seeing so much of that stuff.  Makes me wonder if this is one of those non-issue issues on the web.

Whatever.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 08:19:52 AM »

Wanna buy a Bonsai tree? There was a guy at our last hamfest that rented 4 tables to sell Bonsai trees.

Oh well, I guess it's better that the guys that used to sell porn CD's & DVD's at the Tampa hamfest  back in the 90's

Jaime-KA3NXN
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K9MHZ
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 09:51:18 AM »

........When I see someone with a table of 8-tracks.....   Roll Eyes

This makes the BS meter peg.....those things deteriorated in 6 months back in the 70's.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 04:06:23 PM »

LOTS of CB radios & CB amplifiers at ORLANDO "HAMCATION" every year.I collect old CB radios & D-104's & usually come home with one or two of each if the price is right.I collect ONLY the LEGAL CB's & NOT those so called 10 meter rigs that you hear all over the 10 meter band with their Roger Beeps & Echo Boards.Flashlight are a big item also but everyone needs a flashlight & it's why those new Chinese HT's all have one built in right? {:>)

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K1CJS
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2012, 08:02:51 AM »

Who really cares?  If you don't see what you're looking for at a table, or if the stuff just isn't interesting to you, walk past it.  The seller paid the club for the space--benefitting the club--and if you aren't interested in it, someone else may well be.  Also, your XYL and/or family members may be interested in those things.  Hamfests are supposed to be FAMILY events, aren't they?  

Police the bands--not the auxiliary functions of the club!
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 02:55:59 PM »

I fully agree with the guys that say that "if they paid for the space, let them sell!" Most clubs use hamfests as a fundraiser, and denying them the chance to earn some money to operate seems fair enough. What would you rather see, an empty table?

Who pays money to go to ham swap full of empty tables?  Shocked

Mike, W7VO
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KC9GMX
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2012, 02:53:16 AM »

Then stop calling them "hamfests".
If anything and everything can be sold, then that is a flea market. Call it that. Then you wont confuse the "non-ham" people who drive by. They wont stop at a hamfest, because they like to eat chicken instead. But most people know that you can buy other peoples crap at a good ol' fashioned flea market.

And if a club is trying to do a fund raiser, why are they also selling Krispy Kream donuts? They have a fund raiser program for clubs and organizations.
Also, here in my area, one of the best ways for a group to raise funds with with a road side pork burger sale. Do it on a Saturday afternoon, and if people know its for a good cause, its nothing for groups to make $1000 in 4 hours of making a selling pork burgers.

Steven
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K1CJS
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 04:07:09 AM »

Then stop calling them "hamfests".
If anything and everything can be sold, then that is a flea market. Call it that....

If the principle reason behind the event is the sale of ham gear--no matter how much there is, 10% or 90%--and the event organizer is a ham radio club and the event is to benefit that club, then why not call it a hamfest?  That is what it is.  

The ham radio hobby has become a widely varied hobby today with computers and other ancillary equipment.  If that equipment--computers, monitors, knicknacks and other stuff, even refrigerators, microwaves and other furnishings that could find a home in a hamshack, then why not sell them at a hamfest?  Yes, even plants and other things that a lady ham could want in her hamshack.  And yes, even things that are meant for other ares in a home--even a refrigerator dressed up like a high powered transmitter, such as in a video that was linked to on this site.

Honestly, some people are too literal minded--no, let's get it right--too focused on being politically correct, that they take the joy out of ANYTHING for other people.

If you don't want to see anything else at a hamfest but ham gear, when you do--turn around and leave.  Let the rest of us enjoy the day at the hamfest/flea market/junk sale/whatever you may call it.  Go be politically correct somewhere else!  
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NO2A
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 05:06:26 PM »

I guess I`m in the minority here,but I like seeing ham related equipment. I don`t mind if it`s tubes,crystals,connecters,etc. The last hamfest I attended had about 4 actual usable ham items. They were,a like new TS-450S,an SB-1000 with spare 3-500Z,and an HW-8 in great shape. The rest of the tables I saw were,cb`s,cb amps,old phones,military radios,toys,stereos,dvd players,dvd`s, books,microwaves,toasters,etc. Nobody said you had to have empty tables,but why not fill them all with ham items and let the person with the old TS-820S have a table instead of the guy selling tee shirts.
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