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Author Topic: Field Day and LOTW  (Read 7416 times)
KJ6MSG
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« on: July 15, 2012, 09:13:52 PM »

It's been 3 weeks since Field Day and I haven't had a single QSO come through LOTW. Does anyone use LOTW for Field Day QSOs? If not, why the heck not?
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 10:04:06 AM »

I know our club station licensee submits our club's FD logs to LoTW, and he's commented that the number of hits is usually pretty small (though not zero). Digital mode contacts tend to have the highest LoTW "hit rate", followed by CW and SSB. Is it possible you have the date or time wrong in your Cabrillo file? Did you use the UTC date/time?
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM »

Everything is correct... I finally got one LOTW confirmation today. Most of my contacts were SSB, though a few were PSK31. From searching around, it seems Field Day people tend not to use LOTW for whatever screwy reason.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 12:10:29 PM »

I submitted our club log of ~680 QSOs, about 600 of which were CW, and the LoTW QSL rate is around 10% or so.  No question, I see a much higher QSL rate from regular contests but I suspect that a lot of clubs haven't bothered with signing up for LoTW.  I did it once I had applied for my callsigns.  Now it's just another part of the routine for Field Day.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 06:45:18 PM »

Most contests have LOTW hit rates higher than general ragchewing. Say, 50% returns for a domestic CW contest, 70-80% for a RTTY contest.

Field Day is the exception and that shouldn't be surprising. The LOTW return rate is near zero. I'm not going to guarantee exactly zero, but near zero. Part of it is that major club calls are usually not even registered for LOTW.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 10:00:32 AM »

I just checked my LoTW "hit rate" in the 2011 ARRL 160M Contest, and it was about 56%. So about 50% seems right on for mostly domestic CW contests.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 10:35:12 AM »

It's been 3 weeks since Field Day and I haven't had a single QSO come through LOTW. Does anyone use LOTW for Field Day QSOs? If not, why the heck not?

Most FD operations I have been involved with over the years were done just for experience and to introduce that year's crop of new hams to radios, some for the first time. Although logs were kept of QSOs, after the tally was done for the 'score' (don't forget officially FD is NOT a contest but some treat it as if it is the biggest contest of the year, go figure?), the logs and all the associated notes, etc. were usually filed away somewhere to be forgotten (and worse sometimes pitched in the recycle). It is not wonder with operations like that that LOTW (or any electronic logging) is lacking responses from many clubs and groups.

My current club does not have a club station so we don't have a logging computer for the club's ops. It would rely on one of the more seasoned computer-savvy members to handle the entry, verification and upload to LOTW, etc. and I'm not going to take on another thankless chore. I already have a plate full of 'things' where I opened my mouth and GOT volunteered.

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 03:11:13 PM »

Thanks for the amplifying information. I see both sides of the problem now... I guess not all hams are as computer savvy as I thought, plus compounded with the problem of a club call sign not having a LOTW account. Now... with that said, what are the odds of a QSL card being replied to if the logs tend to get trashed? I know FD is not a contest, but it sure is a great way to fill in the WAS gaps in my record!
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 03:33:27 PM »

Field Day is a slow way to get confirmations for WAS.  But one of the guys gave you a great hint in his comment about RTTY confirms on LoTW.  RTTY contesters have the best QSL rates on LoTL.

If you have never tried a RTTY contest, this coming Saturday is the North American QSO Party - RTTY.  It would be a good one to start out on.  If conditions are at all good it wouldn't be impossible to work 40 or 45 states this weekend.  I did 41 states and 7 provinces last year with 100W to a backyard vertical (and Idaho isn't known for being a great QTH).  Just over 80% confirmed on LoTW too.

Give it a try, you might get hooked!

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 06:23:20 PM »

Thanks for the amplifying information. I see both sides of the problem now... I guess not all hams are as computer savvy as I thought, plus compounded with the problem of a club call sign not having a LOTW account. Now... with that said, what are the odds of a QSL card being replied to if the logs tend to get trashed? I know FD is not a contest, but it sure is a great way to fill in the WAS gaps in my record!

When I was the QSL manager for our club, I kept all the logs for the 2 years I did it. Since then I am not sure where they are at. Since we are a small club and have very few QSL requests, we had a rubber QSL info stamp made up to stamp the back of our local artist's postcards and photos. Worked out well I thought. If the logs were trashed, guess there would not be any QSLs going out Sad

As far as all hams being computer saavy, I suppose the percentage is growing all the time but in previous years, it was a minority who would be labeled that. I know my dad (he's an SK now), as smart as the man was, never seemed to grasp the finer details about running a PC. He was always having this or that sort of problem, some stuff I thought was beginner stuff that I had covered with him time and time again. He had been using a computer for several years. I have a older friend that is somewhat the same way. It seems I'm always having to go back over the same issues again and again because he doesn't use it much and when he goes to do whatever it is, the process totally escapes him. He's a really smart guy, just has problems remembering everything about his PC s/w.

Hopefully you'll get the FD QSLs you need.

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 09:48:35 PM »

Thanks Gene and Bill, I really appreciate the responses. As for RTTY, I'll give it a shot! I've been messing with PSK31 a bit and I've been wanting to give RTTY a try.

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM »

Most FD operations are clubs with club callsigns.  I know few clubs with LoTW accounts.  The club's trustee usually insists on keeping logs, and most clubs are proud to give you a QSL.  You just have to do it the old-fashioned way, by QSL card, not LoTW.  Just don't be slow at it - club trustees change occasionally and records get lost in the process.

GL

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2012, 07:00:16 AM »

While I am on LoTW, my club is not. Also, most of the logged QSOs are band specific, and don't record frequencies. This is because a lot of the rigs used, may both have a serial port or interface. None of my clubs stations use PC interfaces.

Also, the signup to LoTW is a bit of a pain for clubs.

I would not hold your breath.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 04:32:19 PM »

LOTW is not frequency specific. It looks at the band and the date/time to make a match. I know this purely because I was worried about that after November SS when I wasn't recording the actual frequency. So, all good there!
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2012, 05:51:59 AM »

I had no real issue signing up our club to LoTW.  I made the trustee aware that he would be receiving the postcard and he passed it along to me so I could complete the process.  Since then I've handled the log uploads as our secretary/treasurer.
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