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KI6FEN
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« on: January 27, 2008, 08:05:12 PM »

Not that this really bothers me, but I don't get why some send "r  r  r".  

I also don't understand why SSB guys say "kilowatt" when they mean "k".  I always think they mean "kw".

But who am I to complain - I usually send using farnsworth spacing, so I'm sure there are a bunch of you out there shaking your heads at my "k  i  6  f  e  n".
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9V1VV
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2008, 08:11:05 PM »

Another one is TET for K...

When I was a ship's R/O, many moons ago, we would use TET instead of K. This was just a tradition.

Some coast stations would send their CQ tape using TET as well, an example is Capetown Radio..

CQ CQ CQ de ZSC ZSC ZSC QSX 1 3 4  TET

I still use it sometimes and people think I'm sending crap CW (probably am! )

You can always tell an ex-R/O on the bands this way.

Cheers

John
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KG4GVV
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 09:40:20 AM »

This is something that has been bugging me. No pun intended, but why am I hearing many ops sending the
letters "e" "n" instead of the letter "r" for acknowledgment?

Tnx es 73
Don, kg4gvv

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K7KBN
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 09:51:02 AM »

Don, that's been going on for decades, and most of us OFs tend to expect it.  Back in the days when I used a bug, I started doing the "R" as you describe, but with the dash a bit longer than normal - maybe 150%.  Why?  Somehow, it felt more "emphatic".

Hard to do that with paddles and a keyer, though.

73 Pat
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Pat K7KBN
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 09:51:37 AM »

My guess would be that they're not listening carefully to what they are sending.  I've heard what you are referring to and I have always attributed it to carelessness....

Tom
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K7KBN
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 09:53:18 AM »

I should've added that this only applies to the "R" sent as acknowledgement of a transmission, as you said.  I like to think the rest of my "R"s are pretty much standard.
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Pat K7KBN
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 10:30:40 AM »

I think it's for emphasis.

It was a product of a new operator's enthusiasm
that they had solid copy on the transmission.

Scott


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WB2WIK
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 02:05:27 PM »

The "e" "n" are really just a way of sending "R" more slowly.  If you're going 20 wpm and then do not readjust your keyer but want to emphasize the "R" to make it sound s-l-o-w, it comes out as "e n."

It's really just that.  To emphasize the "r" and set it aside from the rest of the text.

This has been pretty common for as long as I've been a ham, which will be 43 years later this year...

WB2WIK/6
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K7PEH
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 04:16:05 PM »

I remember the emphasized dash in the R from my Novice days (42 years ago) and my J-38 straight key -- I used to do it.

I sort of think of this as some new kind of character meaning that the other party is saying "I copy you solid loud and clear".  That is, it is not a true correct R, sort of a made up R.
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WB9QEL
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 05:32:10 PM »

I think Steve pretty much summed that up.  I haven't been a Ham as long as Steve, but the LONG R has been that way ever since I can remember.  Some OPS don't do it, they will just send R.  Some OPS send KN as a K and then a long N with a Straight Key.  Anyway, hope that helps.  

Best 73 ES God Bless!!
Nick
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KE3WD
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 09:00:27 PM »

What the heck?

"emphasized dash"

Um, "Great Lakes Swing" 'K?


Historically has meaning, too.  

The environment of the maritime ops on the Great Lakes made it hard to catch the dashes through the radio and storm noise, so the bug ops and straight key ops got into the habit of elongating the dashes to reduce resends and make sure they got copied.  


Great Lakes Swing is what it became known as.  


We have a heritage, a proud one.  Let's not lose it.


KE3WD
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W5RKL
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 07:03:16 PM »

Then there are those who send "CQ} as
"Dah Dit Dah Dit  Dit Dah DitDah" (C E T A).

Mike
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