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K9AIM
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« Reply #315 on: December 16, 2012, 04:12:32 PM »


This is what I see as your last upload.  When you do a most recent QSO query what is the last date of QSO that you see?

Last upload for WA0CRI: 2012-11-28 08:00:25Z

Could you post your account activities?  Below is an example of my account activities.

Date/Time   Via   File Processed   
2012-12-16 02:02:32    Web    LOTWUpload 2012-12-05 213817.TQ8    Result
2012-12-16 02:02:25    Web    LOTWUpload 2012-12-05 213612.TQ8    Result
2012-12-14 06:37:53    Web    LOTWUpload 2012-12-04 083228.TQ8    Result
2012-12-10 05:32:05    Web    LOTWUpload 2012-12-02 004343.TQ8    Result
2012-12-01 12:34:14    Web    LOTWUpload 2012-11-26 142352.TQ8    Result

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I believe the "Find Call" link on the LoTW website shows you the date the last upload was *processed* and no the date it was uploaded.  Look up your own call using it and I think you will see...
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AF3Y
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« Reply #316 on: December 16, 2012, 04:45:45 PM »

Now that my ProIII is in the rig hospital, I am bored, so read a bit of the thread here.

I just wonder if ARRL assumed that some users were going to upload daily, and if that has some bearing
on the overload/backlog problem.  I usually upload every couple weeks at the most and usually its a
bit longer, closer to monthly. I have never seen the need to upload daily, I guess.

Just thinking out loud......

73, Gene AF3Y
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N7SMI
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« Reply #317 on: December 16, 2012, 06:02:15 PM »

I believe the "Find Call" link on the LoTW website shows you the date the last upload was *processed* and no the date it was uploaded.  Look up your own call using it and I think you will see...

I'm not sure what it means. Mine clearly shows the "Last upload for N7SMI" as being Dec. 15, but I know for a fact that my last upload was Dec. 12 or 13. It is either the last date a log was processed, or perhaps the date that an upload actually shows up in the queue, which seems to be a few days after the actual upload. Either way, it's a bit confusing and if it's not accurate would certainly lead to unnecessary re-uploads of log files, which is precisely the thing that is slowing LoTW down so much.
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WA0CRI
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« Reply #318 on: December 16, 2012, 07:46:34 PM »

I believe there are more serious problems with LOTW than are being discussed on the LOTW site.  The last update to my QSO count was 23 days ago in spite of daily uploads to the system.  My daily activity shows the uploads entered into the queue yet no change in the QSO count since 11/24/2012.  I have contacted ARRL and they told me to wait and the system will catch up.  This isn't a case of "catching up".  Their system is currently processing updates submitted 12/7/2012.  What happened to all my logs submitted prior to 12/7 Huh??  It looks to me like some accounts have been permanently "locked out".  If somebody at ARRL reads this post, can you PLEASE do something to help me.  At least give me a straight answer so I know what to do.

This is what I see as your last upload.  When you do a most recent QSO query what is the last date of QSO that you see?

Last upload for WA0CRI: 2012-11-28 08:00:25Z

Could you post your account activities?  Below is an example of my account activities.


73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan,
I did another QSO query and the most recent was 2012-11-24  22:37:31.  Below is my account activity.

Date/Time Via File Processed   
2012-12-14 04:10:03 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-12-10 03:55:27 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-12-08 14:23:25 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-12-06 21:42:16 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-12-05 09:06:23 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-12-03 21:59:11 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-12-01 21:44:54 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-11-28 10:11:08 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-11-28 08:00:18 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-11-27 19:50:32 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-11-26 22:26:20 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-11-26 02:52:54 Web wa0cri.tq8 Result
2012-11-25 12:06:45 Web wa0cri.tq8

LOTW states they are processing logs submitted 12/7/2012.  Can somebody explain what is happening to my uploads???
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AB8MA
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« Reply #319 on: December 16, 2012, 08:23:57 PM »

Each of the "Result" strings is a link which will give you a Logbook Activity Record of that particular upload.

For instance, if I click "Result" in 2012-12-03 08:42:52    Web    LoTW_AB8MA_20121127.tq8    Result


I get

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2012-12-03 08:42:52 LOTW_QSO: Processing file: msg-22980-1.tq8
2012-12-03 08:42:52 LOTW_QSO: User file: LoTW_AB8MA_20121127.tq8
2012-12-03 08:42:52 LOTW_QSO: Certificate found for AB8MA - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (291)
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA PT0S 2012-11-22 18:53:00Z 17M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA C6AUM 2012-11-23 02:28:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA 7P8D 2012-11-23 17:49:00Z 10M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA IO5O 2012-11-24 00:41:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA ED1R 2012-11-24 00:51:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA TO7A 2012-11-24 01:07:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA PJ4A 2012-11-24 01:51:00Z 40M DATA
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA EA5RS 2012-11-24 02:11:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA HK1NA 2012-11-24 02:18:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO: WARNING: QSO duplicates existing record
2012-12-03 08:42:53 LOTW_QSO:    QSO: AB8MA D4C 2012-11-24 01:01:00Z 40M CW
2012-12-03 08:42:54 LOTW_QSO: Successfully processed 22 QSO records in 1.237644 seconds
2012-12-03 08:42:54 LOTW_QSO: 10 records were duplicates
2012-12-03 08:42:54 LOTW_QSO: No errors encountered
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K9AIM
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« Reply #320 on: December 16, 2012, 09:29:13 PM »

I believe the "Find Call" link on the LoTW website shows you the date the last upload was *processed* and no the date it was uploaded.  Look up your own call using it and I think you will see...

I'm not sure what it means. Mine clearly shows the "Last upload for N7SMI" as being Dec. 15, but I know for a fact that my last upload was Dec. 12 or 13. It is either the last date a log was processed, or perhaps the date that an upload actually shows up in the queue, which seems to be a few days after the actual upload. Either way, it's a bit confusing and if it's not accurate would certainly lead to unnecessary re-uploads of log files, which is precisely the thing that is slowing LoTW down so much.

I checked the "Find Call" Lotw link for my own call and it yielded a date of my most recent QSL confirmation and not the most recent date of an upload.
   
Quote from: Lotw Find Call lookup link
Here you can query Logbook to find out the last time log data was uploaded for a particular call sign.

Last upload for K9AIM: 2012-12-10 08:34:03Z

(Note: The date shown is when the log was sent to Logbook, not necessarily the date the QSO took place.) 


For the wording to say 'last upload' *is* misleading and should be rewritten in the interest of clarity (I have uploaded anything to LoTW in over a week).
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WA0CRI
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« Reply #321 on: December 17, 2012, 06:05:05 AM »

Each of the "Result" strings is a link which will give you a Logbook Activity Record of that particular upload.


When I check my "Results" for all recent uploads I get the "Processing Aborted" message as shown below:


Date/Time:    2012-12-08 14:23:25
User:    wa0cri
File:    wa0cri.tq8
Messages:   

2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: Processing file: 20121201035346.14147
2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: User file: wa0cri.tq8
2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: Certificate found for WA0CRI - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (291)
2012-12-08 14:23:47 LOTW_QSO: Processing ABORTED: Log file was previously processed with this result:
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W6GX
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« Reply #322 on: December 17, 2012, 10:18:42 AM »

Each of the "Result" strings is a link which will give you a Logbook Activity Record of that particular upload.


When I check my "Results" for all recent uploads I get the "Processing Aborted" message as shown below:


Date/Time:    2012-12-08 14:23:25
User:    wa0cri
File:    wa0cri.tq8
Messages:   

2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: Processing file: 20121201035346.14147
2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: User file: wa0cri.tq8
2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: Certificate found for WA0CRI - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (291)
2012-12-08 14:23:47 LOTW_QSO: Processing ABORTED: Log file was previously processed with this result:


Why was the upload process aborted?

73,
Jonathan W6GX
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AB8MA
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« Reply #323 on: December 17, 2012, 12:55:56 PM »

I would check the contents of your wa0cri.adi (or wa0cri.adif) file. Might not be a bad idea to include the date as part of the filenames.
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KH6DC
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« Reply #324 on: December 17, 2012, 06:10:25 PM »

The massive size of the logs on LOTW being stored.  When will it explode because something's gotta give.
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73 and Aloha,
de Delwyn, KH6DC
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« Reply #325 on: December 17, 2012, 06:23:34 PM »

Each of the "Result" strings is a link which will give you a Logbook Activity Record of that particular upload.


When I check my "Results" for all recent uploads I get the "Processing Aborted" message as shown below:


Date/Time:    2012-12-08 14:23:25
User:    wa0cri
File:    wa0cri.tq8
Messages:   

2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: Processing file: 20121201035346.14147
2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: User file: wa0cri.tq8
2012-12-08 14:23:25 LOTW_QSO: Certificate found for WA0CRI - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (291)
2012-12-08 14:23:47 LOTW_QSO: Processing ABORTED: Log file was previously processed with this result:


Why was the upload process aborted?


The upload process was not aborted.

You misunderstand the difference between "upload" and "process".

Any .tq8 file can be uploaded.

Uploaded files are queued for later processing.

When they are processed, they are compared with previous file uploads.

If the uploaded .tq8 is identical to one already processed, it tells you so, and doesn't process it again. It was already processed. It uses the word "aborted". That word I think was chosen to sound severe, because it doesn't make sense to upload the same file (or same QSO in different file) twice, and they want to discourage everyone from doing that. At the same time, when it happens and it can detect it and reject the file early on and save processing time, all the much the better.

Tim.
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KD6KVL
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« Reply #326 on: December 17, 2012, 07:25:52 PM »

I'm a little concerned.  I've been watching for my upload on 12-7-12 and today the page says its working on uploads after my date, yet my qso's didn't make it in.
I suppose my log may have been lost, no big deal I can re-upload.
But what about the dx operator whos log is lost?
This systems only gift is that it counts as confirmation to ARRL awards.
The powers that be hold hands in the air about how secure it is for confirmations.
I'm giving money to club log, way better interface of information than lotw has been with way less money and trouble.
I don't see how verifing the id of both stations can allow fraud to not occur, dis-honest people will always find a way.
Club log is really showing the way here and the ARRL needs to take the hint.
I'm close to saying to heck with the paper awards, and QST isn't so great that I'm strongly considerring not renewing anymore.

Frank KG6N
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NU1O
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« Reply #327 on: December 17, 2012, 07:55:21 PM »

Club log is really showing the way here and the ARRL needs to take the hint.
I'm close to saying to heck with the paper awards, and QST isn't so great that I'm strongly considerring not renewing anymore.

Frank KG6N

I agree Club Log is running circles around the system used at LoTW but ARRL runs the awards many hams seek such as DXCC, Honor Roll, WAS. etc.  

I am not really a member of ARRL for the purpose of reading QST.  There are only a few articles per year I find worth reading. I'm a member for QSLing, Awards, and the legislative work they do.

My point is there is more to the ARRL than QST but if you feel like quitting, you should quit and state your reason for quitting if you do. It would probably be a good thing if a large number quit over the LoTW issue. The ARRL is a big organization and money - more like a substantial loss of it -- is about the only thing which will grab management's attention to insure LoTW is fixed properly.

73,

Chris/NU1O
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AF3Y
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« Reply #328 on: December 18, 2012, 07:12:44 AM »

GEE........... We REALLY do need some rare DX active....... Grin Grin

73, Gene AF3Y
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« Reply #329 on: December 18, 2012, 07:56:05 AM »

Club log is really showing the way here and the ARRL needs to take the hint.
I'm close to saying to heck with the paper awards, and QST isn't so great that I'm strongly considerring not renewing anymore.

Frank KG6N

I agree Club Log is running circles around the system used at LoTW but ARRL runs the awards many hams seek such as DXCC, Honor Roll, WAS. etc.  


Club Log and LotW are "apples and oranges". Club Log is an excellent system, but does not provide (and did not set out to provide) the level of authentication and security the ARRL requires for DXCC awards.

   73,

        Dave, AA6YQ

   

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