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Author Topic: Which Rig? (why doesn't this exist?)  (Read 2248 times)
AH6GI
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« on: March 20, 2009, 04:25:39 PM »

I own a lot of rigs, DX-60/SX-100, 32S-1/75S-1, SB-401/SB-303, Signal/One CX7A, IC-720A, etc.  Most of these I bought "broken". I fix them, get them working and looking right.

For a few years, I've considered getting a "good" radio.

I was just about to get an Argonaut V when Ten-Tec discontinued it.  

I've been thinking about a Jupiter but then the IC-7200 caught my eye.  

After thinking about it.  I've decided that I want Ten-Tec quality QSK (or Elecraft), general coverage receive, good filters and noise blanker, easy interface to PSK31, 100 watts, band scope, and the size, shape and general look of the IC-7200.

The Argo didn't have the band scope or the 100 watts.

The Jupiter is huge; in comparison to the Argo or 7200, it's a moose of a radio.  If I wanted a moose, I'd stick with the S-Line or CX7A.

The 7200 has clacking relays and no band scope.

Then there's the 7200 puzzle, why are there fine calibration lines around the knobs but no numbers.

Would be nice if the Jupiter's band scope did continuous sweep.  
 
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W8ZNX
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2009, 12:54:25 AM »

oh my another
" how many angels can dance on the head of a pin question "

you all ready have more than one
" good radio "

everything is a trade off

sound of a little relay gets to you
how do you handle static crashes and key clicks

                           
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N2EY
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 10:44:07 AM »

Elecraft K3
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AH6GI
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2009, 05:49:21 AM »

The conundrum is this.  Why can't anyone make a radio with good QSK except Ten-Tec and Elecraft?

Even "entry level" Ten-Tec and Elecraft rigs have great QSK.

Granted my CW skills are pretty poor but I have this dream of operating a good radio, just having fun a few evenings a week.  

If I'm going to operate CW, part of the fun is QSK and not listening to relays clacking.

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AH6GI
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2009, 02:11:00 PM »

About that K3.

too much radio for me in terms of dollars.  I'm trying to scale down.  

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2009, 03:18:34 PM »

Which Rig? (why doesn't this exist?)       Reply
by AH6GI on March 20, 2009    Mail this to a friend!

The Jupiter is huge;
Would be nice if the Jupiter's band scope did continuous sweep.

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::The Jupiter is huge?  Geesh, it's the smallest rig  I own.  I could fit six of them inside the 75A4...

If you're trying to "downsize," don't look for a rig with a spectrum scope, as the only ones that really work at all are in  the PROIII, the IC-7700, IC-7800, the Flex SDRs, and the FTDX9000D.  The old IC-781's worked fairly well, also; but these are all very "HUGE" radios compared with the Jupiter!

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2009, 03:34:53 PM »

That IC720 is a very good rig.
Try getting the 300Hz filter or so (Inrad or original Icom).

Next, forget about any newish rig with bandscopes.
Build an SDR receiver, connect it to your IF stage and off you go. Much better rx specs!  Use any of the various software and look at the waterfall display, which shows more info on weak intelligent signals.
'73 Mark, PA5MW
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AH6GI
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2009, 03:39:29 PM »

If you're trying to "downsize," don't look for a rig with a spectrum scope,

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I didn't realize that.  

As I said, I was about to buy an Argonaut V but Ten-Tec discontinued it.  

My plan was to use the Argo and gradually sell off my other radios, as I completed the fixes.  I hadn't decided on a time frame but I could see that the Argo would do just about everything.

The Jupiter is supposed to be a better radio but it's larger than the Argo and pricier.  Then I saw the 7200.  It's sorta a high power Argo in the sense that it's small but the 7200 has less than great QSK.  

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AH6GI
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2009, 06:26:21 PM »

"everything is a trade off "

Yes. Absolutely.  That's one reason that I was considering the Argonaut V.  It had a lot of what I was looking for.

QSK - Ten-Tec grade QSK.

General Coverage Receiver.

Small and low profile.

SSB.

PSK31.

Known good quality receiver and filters.  Did not have VHF/UHF, band scope, color display.   Was not a Pro III or 7800, which was fine.

I can't emphasize QSK and good CW wave forms enough.  It might be a little strange as my "fist" is poor but I like listening to CW and I had a chance to operate a 765 at an events station on CW,  what fun.


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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2009, 02:35:35 PM »

FLex 3000   1600 bux loaded
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 02:35:40 PM »

FLex 3000   1600 bux loaded
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 03:26:38 PM »

"About that K3.

too much radio for me in terms of dollars. I'm trying to scale down."

You can buy a bare-bones K3 and add options later, rather than putting out all the $$ at once.

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 02:18:21 AM »

no single radio
is going to meet up with your expectations

you can't have band scope and small at the same time
you can't have cheap and high end quality at the same time

hate to burst your bubble
but you don't need to buy ten tec or elecraft to get
first class qsk

for over 20 years
Kenwood, Icom and yaseu have been selling
xceivers with qsk better than 99% of all ops need

if you are a normal rag chew slow code op
you will not even start to need/use fast qsk

qsk is for the most part overrated

next 15 wpm qso
just try to run real qsk
see how fast the other op sends cul om tnx fer the qso

lets see now
take your 75S-1 receiver hook it to any old junk receive antenna
take the DX-60 hook it to a transmitting antenna

you are now qsk no relays
and it did not cost you one cent

as stated before
you all ready have more than one good radio

use what you got
if you do not want to use them
then sell them and buy a K-3, Omni 7, or new age rice box

geeze you have a banquet of radios
and you act like your starving

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 08:22:27 AM »

Of course you can have big radio features in a small radio.  The Flex 3K is 1.5 x12.5 x12.5 the size of a laptop.

Gives you an band scope better than any other, gives you brick wall CW filters down to 11hz and gives you numbers like dynamic range in the Omni-II class of radios. 100W built in antenna tuner....

1600 bux  

http://flex-radio.com/Products.aspx?topic=F3k_features

I played with one at the Orlando Hamfest and it lives up to the advertising.  I have one on order.  I agree with the QSK analysis.  You need good filters and a quiet receiver a LOT more than you need QSK.  

73  W9OY
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 12:23:12 PM »

I must agree that a Elecraft K3 is a good smaller radio. All of the smaller radios will not have a real time band scope though.

If you want band scope and great radio Ten-Tec to boot it looks like a Orion. You can buy a used Orion for about the same price as a new Omni VII.

If size is the issue and portability a must the Elecraft K3 is a great choice. There are a lot of Ten-Tec guys that convert to Elecraft.

I have a Jupiter and it does work well but is large is size but low on weight. I use it as a field day radio many years and have been happy.

If you want a perfect radio there is only one way to do this. Design it and build it yourself.
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