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Author Topic: Wire Nuts  (Read 8739 times)
KE3WD
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2013, 10:23:24 AM »

Millions of wirenuts in use for several or more decades without solder. 

But there's always going to be someone with a solution in search of a problem...



73
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KE4DRN
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2013, 07:12:43 PM »

hi

had a customer in my home depot today, he was from the UK,
he was adding an outside light and selected one of the
Ideal terminal strips, similar to the original post.

http://www.idealindustries.com/media/img/products/oem/product/terminal_strip_437.jpg

I set him up with some pvc boxes and wire nuts.

On the other hand, we get so many more people who want to cut
corners and just bury a splice in the wall and just cover it up with drywall.

73 james
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K1CJS
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2013, 09:25:43 AM »

Good point, Peter.  Sometimes it does, especially if the joint carried heavy current and it had been in place for years.
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KD0REQ
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2013, 09:58:32 AM »

DRN, that's a Cinch or Beau block by design (Beauchane licensed the design as a second source,) not a Euro screw-against-leaf-against-wire block.  strictly LV stuff or under-chassis stuff in this country.

I am constantly amazed at what folks try to get away with, and how little they look at what's around them.  when we gutted the basement to the blocks and rebuilt it, out of need, I found a blind connection in a closet wall.  oh, it had a box.  but no cover.  no mechanical backup to the wire nuts.  all to run another two feet to an outlet.

the curious thing occurred when we tore up that closet (headers weren't even nailed to the floor joists or the concrete, of course.)  there were 12 feet of Romex coiled and jammed and twisted in the ceiling, and THEN it came down to where the blind connection was.

never underestimate the power of "hold my beer, and watch this!"
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KE4DRN
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM »

REQ, what gets us concerned is the people who want to do it the easy way,
they just don't care about doing it the right way.

"I'm selling the place", etc.  one young couple refused to spend $15 on
a Studor vent for a half bath, they were going to leave the vent pipe open
in the walls.  Just crazy.

Most of these people are educated, yet they want to swap out
a 15a breaker for a 20a because their printer trips the breaker
or remove the arcfault breaker and put a standard breaker in place.

Somebody can make a lot of money if they can image the internals of
the walls of these buildings before a buyer signs the sales contract.

73 james

73 james
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K1CJS
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2013, 04:11:26 AM »

You say they're educated, but they're not--not in the ways of building and trade work.  Heck, even back then some of the 'experts' at electrical work weren't.  Some had a novel voltage tester--they stuck their finger in a light socket to see if the juice was on!
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K3GM
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2013, 07:53:31 AM »

.....Most of these people are educated, yet they want to swap out
a 15a breaker for a 20a because their printer trips the breaker
or remove the arcfault breaker and put a standard breaker in place......
I work in a corporation filled with EE, ME and Physics Phd's and "Fellows", of which I am neither.  I am constantly dumbfounded by their lack of Basic Common Sense.  Perhaps this should be a mandatory course offering at the colleges that hatch these poindexters.
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KD0REQ
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2013, 08:51:40 AM »

james, why spend $15 more when the home inspector can kill your house sale?  that's the way to sell it.

baseline is this... and it even applies here to wormwarmer grounds and low-hanging hatsnatchers... it is plain dumb to hack something three times when doing it right the first time costs half that and doesn't need to be done again.  do some basic research on the wacky wacky webbiepoo and find out what the present standards are.  then if you can't figure out how to do that, learn.
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