Repeaters on 146.41?

[KE2KB]

Hi;
I was checking out the 2m band plan on ARRL today, looking for a lightly used freq for simplex operation. According to the band plan, 146.400 to 146.580 is for simplex use. So I set my radio up for 146.410 and let it check the freq during normal scan of several repeaters and simplex I normally monitor.
I was surprised when I heard a repeater ID come up on 146.410. I didn't catch the callsign yet, but should be able to do that the next time it comes up. I live in northern New Jersey.
So I am assuming that the "band plan" is nothing set in stone, with possible exception of 146.52, 146.55, and a few other normal simplex frequencies. Or is someone operating an "out of plan" repeater on the freq.

KE2KB

[WN2C]

The 146.415 is in West Orange w/ a PL tone of 85.4.  This repeater has a 1 megahertz split.  Is this the one?  The call I have in my 2010/2011 ARRL repeater directory is wa2jsb.  West Orange Repeater Association - WORA is the sponsor.
As far as the band plan is concerned, the local repeater coordinators will use a 'simplex'.  This is usually a hold over from the 70's as the 10-70 club does have a 1 meg split and that club has been around a long time.

Rick  wn2c

[KA4POL]

So I am assuming that the "band plan" is nothing set in stone...

That is exactly the case, it is just to better coordinate frequency use. So it can be very helpful following it.

[K1CJS]

So I am assuming that the "band plan" is nothing set in stone...

That is exactly the case, it is just to better coordinate frequency use. So it can be very helpful following it.

The repeater could have also been an un-coordinated temporary system.  Those do pop up from time to time for one or two day events.

[KE2KB]

The 146.415 is in West Orange w/ a PL tone of 85.4.  This repeater has a 1 megahertz split.  Is this the one?  The call I have in my 2010/2011 ARRL repeater directory is wa2jsb.  West Orange Repeater Association - WORA is the sponsor.
As far as the band plan is concerned, the local repeater coordinators will use a 'simplex'.  This is usually a hold over from the 70's as the 10-70 club does have a 1 meg split and that club has been around a long time.

Rick  wn2c

I think that's the one.
Isn't the "10-70" club the one with the repeater on 146.10/70? The one you are thinking of is the "49-49" repeater with output on 146.49, input on 147.49, or is it 145.49?
Interestingly, I just turned on my radio to check out the 49/49 machine to find which split it uses, and the radio comes up to 146.52 and I hear a couple guys talking about coordinated and uncoordinated repeaters...
I haven't been very active on any band, so I feel kind of lost when I do get on. I remember having been on some weird frequencies working FM simplex. All legal of course, but before the Metroplex repeater came along on 145.45, I used to use that freq for simplex sometimes.
With 146.52 being the "national simplex calling frequency", it makes sense that it would be used mainly to make contact with another station, then you go to another simplex freq to hold your QSO. But more often than not, I hear QSO's going on 146.52. Then again, the band hasn't been all that busy for the past 10+ years, so it's less of an issue than it used to be.

Frank KE2KB

Edit: Just found an excellent source for repeater directory:  http://www.artscipub.com/repeaters/
So much easier to use than the old ARRL directory I had.

[KG4RUL]

From the SouthEastern Repeater Association 2M Band Plan:

FM Voice Simplex Frequencies
146.400* 146.415* 146.430* 146.445* 146.460* 146.475* 146.490* 146.505* 146.520 146.535 146.550 146.565 146.580 146.595 147.405* 147.420* 147.435* 147.450* 147.465* 147.480* 147.495* 147.510 147.525 147.540 147.555 147.570 147.585
146.520 is the National FM Voice Simplex Calling Frequency
 IMPORTANT NOTE: = Frequencies marked with * are permitted for simplex use as long as it does not cause interference to nearby repeater inputs. Please be aware that SERA coordinates some of these frequencies as repeater inputs in some areas. Check the repeater directory in your area to see if any such repeaters are present.

[K3CXG]

During a fall band opening here in the Washington, DC area, I logged a signal on 146.49, which turned out to be a repeater in Ringwood, NJ, operated by the Ramapo Mountain ARC, with a 1 Meg split and a tone of 107.2.  I sent an e-mail report to the trustee and he confirmed the above.  These repeaters with a 1 meg split must be a Jersey thing!