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Author Topic: How to play fair with 10W  (Read 4880 times)
K7NHB
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« on: June 08, 2013, 08:50:05 PM »

I just realized a lot of my QRP rigs run more that 5W - the K2, K1, KX1, KX3 and even the SGC-2020 (sold the KX1 and SGC). but 10W or 7W is not 5W. If I am not trying for an award, is it still playing fair to use the QRP calling frequencies. It is not like I'm running the standard 100W rig.

I figure the protocol is to call, make a contact, and QSY up or down a bit.  I know, I could turn the rigs down. After all - only a 5W difference. But I am not psychologically there yet.

What's the usual operating process when you are a 'twiner (>5 and < 100)

73,
Paul
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NU4B
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 04:20:47 AM »

If your not running in a contest or trying for an award, operate at whatever level you feel comfortable. Just have fun. I don't the QRP police will give you a ticket for operating 10 watts on the QRP frequencies.  Grin Remember, though, the difference in your signal at 5 watts and at 10 watts will be minimal in most cases at the receiving end.  Going from 5 to 10 watts will result in only a 3 dB increase in your signal. (or going from 10 to 5 watts would be a 3 dB decrease in your signal)
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WX7G
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 05:56:03 AM »

QRP is defined as 5 watts or less and the QRP calling frequencies are intended to be used for QRP calling. If one rationalizes that 10 watts is ok to use why not 20, or 40, or 80 watts? A line must be drawn in the sand and it already has been drawn at 5 watts.
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K8AXW
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 07:05:32 AM »

7G: Right on!  The same rules apply here as the Pope was told....."You no playa da game, you no maka da rules!

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WA2TPU
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 07:29:39 AM »

FROM THE PREVIOUS POSTING........

OH MY LORD!!

I HAD NO IDEA THE POPE WAS A HAM!! I WONDER WHAT HIS CALL IS??

YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY IN THESE POSTINGS!

INDEED!

Best regards with many 72....73.
Don sr. -- WA2TPU --
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W7KB
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 08:57:20 AM »

Having just momentarily read from the ARRL website QRP section,it indicates that "QRP has come to mean 5w or less output for CW or 10w PEP output or less for SSB.Most amateur organizations and contests embrace these as the official QRP limits"...Unless a contest specifically states that 5w only can be used to qualify for that event,there is a bit of wiggle room in the 5w interpretation rule.If the ARRL defines qrp as set at those power levels,there is some validity in their definition that qrp is not set in concrete at 5w or less in all modes of operation....73....Dennis W7KB.
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NU4B
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 09:16:52 AM »

WX7G, K8AXW:
 
I hope you guys were kidding.  You were kidding... right?  Huh

Not mentioning the fact that there's no rule or reg for any but the standard power levels for any QRP freq, how would you know somebody is operating at 5 watts or 10 watts?

On 40 we are lucky when we don't find somebody running 100+ watts on the 7030 or 7040. The same on 20 or 30. We QRPers have adopted those freqs as a meeting place, it doesn't mean they are ours.

And would you rather have a station running 100 watts on 7030, or a guy running 10 watts getting his feet wet with QRP? I'll choose 10 watts.

Other than contests and award chasing who says QRP is 5 watts or below? Even the QRP ARCI, who uses the 5 watts standard, says its not written in stone. The idea is to operate with only the power needed to make the QSO, not a specific power level.

Also I notice during the QRP contests, nobody is chasing away high power QSO's when we call CQ contest.

I've been a QRP advocate for 30 years (I have only operated over 5 watts 1 time in 30 years, to give a DX station working on WAS my state, and that was at 12 watts) and would be glad to welcome anybody who is heading in our general direction.
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K7NHB
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 11:08:29 AM »

Thank you NU4B.  Note that though we hear the "theory" that double the power is only one S unit, you went from 5 W to 12W, a little over double, to make the contact.

I'm guessing that "double the power makes little difference on the S Meter" might apply after you are already at some S level. But at the very bottom end, the boost could be the difference between contact or not.

Hard to imagine the QRP boys sitting an a different table from someone running 10 watts - hence QRO, but as was said in previous posts, they must draw the line somewhere.

73,
Paul
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K8AXW
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 12:01:33 PM »

TPU:   Tongue  The Pope isn't a ham...... The response was to a contraceptive speech the Pope made.   Roll Eyes
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NU4B
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 12:16:47 PM »

they must draw the line somewhere.

73,
Paul


In realty, the only people drawing the line is the FCC, and its not at 5 watts.  Grin
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NU4B
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 12:20:41 PM »

TPU:   Tongue  The Pope isn't a ham...... The response was to a contraceptive speech the Pope made.   Roll Eyes

 Grin Again, who's around to check?  Grin
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F8WBD
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 02:36:06 PM »

...or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

But seriously folks, if you have a QRP sensitive wattmeter, reduce your power to 5 watts during a cw contest. If you are not contesting and your QRP rig is somehow able to (willingly or unwillingly) blast out 6 or 7 watts (my OHR does), I mean puleeeze, let it go Indy, let it go.

Now 10 watts from a new Elecraft or old IC-703, or even older TS-130V is another matter.
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W4KYR
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 03:07:23 PM »

I always thought that there should be a category between QRP and 100 Watts. Call it LP or low power for those operating with 25 watts or less but more than 5 watts QRP. Many rigs, (as others stated) fit the LP category as well as the 10 meter mobile units like the HTX 10, HTX 100 and so on.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 05:09:03 PM »

No, the Pope is not currently licensed,but rumor has it he has expressed some interest in the hobby since he's an excommunication specialist,upon hearing of this Monk Apollo(SV2ASP) has graciously offered to be his elmer and mentor.Confident that the Pope will get his license CCD students across the country are now holding baked wafer and fire pit ash sales and will use the money to buy a KX3 to donate to the Pope.With the KX3 and a Hex beam atop St.Peters and a vanity call sign of IP0PE he plans to bless all hams on and around the table on Easter.Should be one hell of a pile up.
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N6PG
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 07:30:32 PM »

+1

WX7G, K8AXW:
 
I hope you guys were kidding.  You were kidding... right?  Huh

Not mentioning the fact that there's no rule or reg for any but the standard power levels for any QRP freq, how would you know somebody is operating at 5 watts or 10 watts?

On 40 we are lucky when we don't find somebody running 100+ watts on the 7030 or 7040. The same on 20 or 30. We QRPers have adopted those freqs as a meeting place, it doesn't mean they are ours.

And would you rather have a station running 100 watts on 7030, or a guy running 10 watts getting his feet wet with QRP? I'll choose 10 watts.

Other than contests and award chasing who says QRP is 5 watts or below? Even the QRP ARCI, who uses the 5 watts standard, says its not written in stone. The idea is to operate with only the power needed to make the QSO, not a specific power level.

Also I notice during the QRP contests, nobody is chasing away high power QSO's when we call CQ contest.

I've been a QRP advocate for 30 years (I have only operated over 5 watts 1 time in 30 years, to give a DX station working on WAS my state, and that was at 12 watts) and would be glad to welcome anybody who is heading in our general direction.
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