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Author Topic: Misrepresented product from ebay seller "monsterpowerpro"  (Read 15779 times)
KD8DVR
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« on: September 15, 2013, 05:56:59 PM »

Regarding the Puxing PX UV-973

 "monsterpowerpro" advertises these radios as both being FCC approved and having 5-tone capability.

This is not true.  There is no FCC approval.  It has been reported that he places a sticker with an entirely different FCC ID on the box.  (this is not verified)

The radio does not have 5tone paging capability.

I emailed him advising him of the lack of FCC approval.  He didn't respond.  He did, however, block me from doing business with him, or contacting him further.

My suggestion is not to purchase from persons who ignore warnings of capabilities and approvals such radios do not have.  These are disreputable business practices.

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2013, 11:15:12 AM »

All you can do is what you've done--let others know about it.  If that seller keeps up pushing those radios with that falsified documentation, the feds will catch up to them sooner or later.

Already there are problems being reported in Europe about bootleggers on the 2 meter band--because of those type radios that work across and into adjacent bands.  The report was on the AR Newsline report this past week.  There's a link in the news section on the homepage of this site.
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WI8P
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 11:15:46 AM »

Looks like he changed the ad though!   Grin
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KJ6ZOL
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 04:57:36 PM »

The FCC can't touch these guys selling from China who misrepresent their HT's, unfortunately. Ebay doesn't care. The Chinese HT's can send out a signal across their entire freq range, some can even send on broadcast FM, which is included on the HT. Technically, it's illegal to own one of these puppies, but with the internet it's a fool's errand to try to shut down these guys. Buyer beware. Know where you can legally send a signal. It's up to you as a licensed ham to know the rules.
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KD8DVR
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 12:18:19 PM »

Looks like he changed the ad though!   Grin

Nope... still has one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Band-PUXING-Radio-PX-UV973-VHF-UHF-FCC-Approved-New-Version-Puxing-PX-888K-/200942577176?pt=US_Ham_Radio_Transceivers&hash=item2ec91c6618
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 02:16:55 PM »

The FCC can't touch these guys selling from China who misrepresent their HT's

The eBay ad indicates that the unit "ships directly from California, USA" and that the seller provides "free domestic shipping."  That puts at least someone here in the States within the FCC's sights.

Technically, it's illegal to own one of these puppies, but with the internet it's a fool's errand to try to shut down these guys. Buyer beware. Know where you can legally send a signal. It's up to you as a licensed ham to know the rules.

I'm not so sure that it's even technically illegal to simply own or posess one of these, provided you're a licensed ham.  Misuse of this or any radio (out-of-band transmitting, for instance), or use of it when it exceeds allowable signal purity limits, can get one in trouble.  Importing or offering such a transceiver for sale within the FCC's jurisdiction, however, is quite obviously against the law.
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KJ6ZOL
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 02:21:04 PM »

The FCC can't touch these guys selling from China who misrepresent their HT's

The eBay ad indicates that the unit "ships directly from California, USA" and that the seller provides "free domestic shipping."  That puts at least someone here in the States within the FCC's sights.

Technically, it's illegal to own one of these puppies, but with the internet it's a fool's errand to try to shut down these guys. Buyer beware. Know where you can legally send a signal. It's up to you as a licensed ham to know the rules.

I'm not so sure that it's even technically illegal to simply own or posess one of these, provided you're a licensed ham.  Misuse of this or any radio (out-of-band transmitting, for instance), or use of it when it exceeds allowable signal purity limits, can get one in trouble.  Importing or offering such a transceiver for sale within the FCC's jurisdiction, however, is quite obviously against the law.

Well then, report him. If he's importing illegal radio equipment into the US, then putting fake stickers on them to make them seem FCC kosher, he's in big trouble. The FCC is going after illegal CB sellers, having shut down three in the last couple months. I haven't seen any juicy action against radio outlaws lately, report this dude and shut him down.
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2014, 02:41:27 PM »

According to a Yahoo post, the Puxing PX-UV973 has a valid FCC Part 90 cert:

FCC ID: AUJPXDZ973K001

MonsterPowerPro also has over 74,000 user ratings with a 99.9% positive feedback rating.

Can't speak to how they reacted to or treated any one customer, but it appears that overall, people have been satisfied with dealing with them.

As far as being illegal to own in the US, almost no radio gear is illegal to own, but transmitting is another matter. Part 97 sets standards for transmitters, but as someone who has home-brewed and modified various transmitters over the years, unless you own a spectrum analyzer and the appropriate filters and attenuators, it's pretty hard to assure that you are technically meeting the requirements.

If the transmitter does not cause harmful interference to a licensed service, then you can use pretty much anything on the ham bands.

In the case of the Part 90 radios being sold for ham use, according to the ARRL, the Part 90 cert pretty much assures that it's legal in our bands.

As far as bootleggers using Part 90 radios to intrude into ham bands, what's the difference whether they buy a ham radio transmitter or a commercial LMR transmitter and operate illegally? A bootlegger is a bootlegger regardless of how they got on the ham bands.

Most people have no idea what is and isn't legal, so use the Chinese radios on their factory-programmed frequencies without a license. Unfortunately, some of these radios are programmed with public service, GMRS, commercial, etc. frequencies. One radio I purchased was on a local law enforcement frequency!

Buyer beware as the FCC doesn't care whether you know you're illegal or not.

Fortunately for most of us, the FCC only goes after the most flagrant offenders or we'd probably all get tagged for failing to properly ID or operating too close to band edges.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2014, 10:53:34 AM »

Here's a guy selling FCC-certified Puxing UV-973 HTs (you might have seen his ad in last week's emailed ARRL Letter). He tests each unit for TX power and software read-write capability before shipping ... and also offers RT Systems' new software package for the rig. AND the site owner properly advises all that "5 Tone" is NOT a feature of this rig - that the current owners manual is incorrect.

http://www.puxing973.com

Clint K6LCS

PS - Yes, it is me. (grin)
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 01:18:34 PM »

Yes, but he's charging as much for the package as you might pay for a good Japanese big 3 HT with compatible features--$170.00!
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2014, 01:39:14 PM »

>> ... Yes, but he's charging as much for the package as you might pay for a good Japanese big 3 HT with compatible features--$170.00!

Hmmm ... not sure how to interpret your statement. The Puxing UV973 is just $80. But for just less than US$170, one can get ...

- Puxing UV973 and all stock accessories
- RT Systems RPS-UV973 Software and USB cable
- second 1200mAH Li-Ion battery pack and belt clip
- SMA-to-BNC antenna adapter
- medium-duty speaker-mic
- 12VDC battery eliminator

Now, then - to which "Japanese big three" radio with true dual-receive, true duplex and cross-band capabilities are you referring?

(Sorry - loaded question. The only other HTs with true, dual independent VFOs and true dual-receive cross-band capabilities are the Alinco DJ-G7T at $279.95 and the Kenwood TH-D7a at $448.95.)

Clint K6LCS
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2014, 05:30:08 AM »

I admit it--one thing I overlooked.  With the 'big 3' loading all that digital crap into their offerings, prices are higher.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2014, 10:47:47 AM »

>> ... The only other HTs with dual VFOs and true dual-receive / cross-band capabilities are the Alinco DJ-G7T at $279.95 and the Kenwood TH-D7a at $448.95 ...

>> ... With the 'big 3' loading all that digital crap into their offerings, prices are higher ...

Another statement that baffles me. There's nothing "digital" in the Alinco DJ-G7T at $280. It has 1W TX power on 1.2gHZ - but certainly no APRS nor other digital modes.

Hmmm ...



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