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Author Topic: One of the stupidest things Hams say about new hams (Rant)  (Read 45700 times)
K2GWK
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« Reply #135 on: November 04, 2013, 02:18:37 PM »

WH7DX

>and recommend that others support newbies - who obviously got into the hobby to learn.<

Are you sure that is universally the case?


For HF yes.  

You don't get into HF - take the test - buy the equipment - learn about antennas and all that - if you aren't the type that enjoys to learn/tinker and be somewhat social.  I believe it's voluntary...  Grin



Forget CW and HF. A lot of older hams where I live are engineers and don't do HF anymore. A number of them are playing around in the microwave realm, designing or modifying high stability oscillators/synthesizers, transverters, up/down converters and antennas. They get together on a Sunday morning and compare notes and try out what they built. It's actually pretty neat to watch. I am an engineer also but a lot of these guys forgot more than I will ever know. They are starting to share with me their secret sources for surplus or used satellite equipment on which they base their designs.
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« Reply #136 on: November 07, 2013, 05:46:20 AM »


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That's the story they tell the masses who then vote for them and continue to get screwed the most.

Carter was a clown.  So if the current Administration.

Carter tried to blame the citizens for his incompetence.

Reagan was a breath of fresh air - but he got played by Congress when they promised spending cuts and didn't follow through.

The 1980s was a period of growth, credit cards and all the baby boomers living it up.   Life was good.   Corporations feed and control both political sides - look up how much they gave Obama and his party.

It was around 1995-2000 that corporations needed more profits and paid off both parties - and used the other clown Clinton to sell out U.S. manufacturing.  THAT was the real problem.

The only thing Clinton did right was tell people to get a job and cut of benefits - Liberals / Progressive / Dem screamed about the horrors - people dying on the streets...  wow they found a job..

Ross Perot warned about that giant sucking sound..   Clinton removed Glass-Steagall, signed NAFTA and China WTO.    Both Bush and Clinton admit it was a big mistake now.  They "say" they thought it would lead to more jobs and trade "surplus"... hahahah

So both parties have failed - democrats have their sheep believing that "they" are the ones helping but it's all their socialist programs "Great Society" etc. etc. that is killing the American machine and pushing people in entitlement slavery - combined with horrible trade agreements.   This was as obvious as Obama turning out to be a fraud.

Today we've lost millions of jobs overseas and millions more related to those jobs - and those with little or no money / savings can't get a return on savings with rates so low - meanwhile food prices are going up and packaging gets smaller.   Now the sheep learn that their cheap little insurance policies are being cancelled and they need to buy more with a higher deductible.  

But they continue to believe that it's ONE party that caused the problem and vote like sheep over and over..    

Obama's pushing for more damage right now with a Pacific Trade Agreement and he said he wants free trade with Brazil.  The Union leaders went ape sh** over that one.   But they follow along - crooks.

Ross Perot warned that when you have American jobs paying $15 and Asia jobs paying $0.25 - it won't be fixed until they both go to $6.  Then they'll move on.   I figure it will finally stop in the worst location in the world.    The money keeps moving around - manipulating peoples lives.

Food stamps usage doubled to over 40 million in 10 years.  Perot warned of the damages within 15 years - he told everyone on the air during the Pres. debates.   They laughed at him.

Vote them all out.   Term limits.  It's not meant to be a permanent occupation.    Stupid voters...  The go in worth a few hundred grand if that - leave with a few million - not income - trading inside information.

I could go on and on......

P.S. Bush was worried about re-election and offered Medicaid Part "D" - buying enough votes.  Everyone loved that.   Too bad it was completely unfunded and will cost tens of trillions we don't have - just another example.

Perhaps the Federal Reserve can fund a big piece of the government from the money it gives back to the treasury left over after their "expenses" from the funny money it's been creating to buy treasury bonds and collect interest from the treasury..   brilliant!!

And all the more reason we hams should be supporting the ARRL consistently.  Our hobby relies on one essential natural resource: the HF spectrum.  The ARRL is the only DC watchdog / lobbying arm that we have to keep our privileges to that little slice of the pie.  And as the synopsis above points out, we cannot rely on our elected officials to watch out for our interests.  Our spectrum is worth money on the open market -- they would take it out from under us in a heartbeat if they get the whim…

So, my vote for one of the stupidest things to say… "Don't join the ARRL…."  (got back to the original post after all!)

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K1CJS
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« Reply #137 on: November 07, 2013, 08:02:47 AM »

Can't agree.  The hobby doesn't rely on the HF spectrum, it relies on hams using any and all of the allocated spectrum we do have.  Right now, most RF product manufacturers could care less if hams kept the HF spectrum--what they want is the UHF/XHF spectrum space.
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« Reply #138 on: November 07, 2013, 03:42:08 PM »

Can't agree.  The hobby doesn't rely on the HF spectrum, it relies on hams using any and all of the allocated spectrum we do have.  Right now, most RF product manufacturers could care less if hams kept the HF spectrum--what they want is the UHF/XHF spectrum space.

... and until EME becomes the staple of the average Joe, HF will still be where it's at. Take a moment to review CFR 47.97.001(e).
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« Reply #139 on: November 08, 2013, 04:24:53 AM »

[…]  Right now, most RF product manufacturers could care less if hams kept the HF spectrum--what they want is the UHF/XHF spectrum space.

Would be interesting to hear the USA's "Big 3" manufacturers (Ten-Tec, Elecraft, FlexRadio) check in on that statement!   As for myself, if not for CW on HF, I would be long-gone from this great hobby…

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W1JKA
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« Reply #140 on: November 08, 2013, 05:25:06 AM »

Re: N4OI  reply #139

Not only you, but untold other hams including myself would be out of the hobby. Anybody that thinks CW is dying apparently is deaf or didn't have their radios on this past contest weekend. An updated eHam poll on the use of  any HF CW mode  compared to Voice would be interesting.
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NJ1K
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« Reply #141 on: November 08, 2013, 10:41:39 AM »

I guess I have just heard this one said way too many times and it's really getting to me.

"The ham exam is so easy now even a 8 year old can pass it!"
True statement right there


"It's because they dropped the code"
Another true statement right there

Glad it ticks you off..

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W9FIB
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« Reply #142 on: November 08, 2013, 10:55:28 AM »

More well mannered words. This is why people start threads about the angst in this forum. It is deliberate provocation like this that causes the angst. Also about as much fun as a screen door on a submarine.

 
Glad it ticks you off..

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« Reply #143 on: November 08, 2013, 11:00:58 AM »

[…]  Right now, most RF product manufacturers could care less if hams kept the HF spectrum--what they want is the UHF/XHF spectrum space.

Would be interesting to hear the USA's "Big 3" manufacturers (Ten-Tec, Elecraft, FlexRadio) check in on that statement!   As for myself, if not for CW on HF, I would be long-gone from this great hobby…

73

What was meant is that the RF product manufacturers other than the ham rig makers don't really want the HF spectrum and are all too happy to let the hams keep it.  Sorry if I was not clearly understood.
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KD8MJR
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« Reply #144 on: November 08, 2013, 01:15:36 PM »

NJ1K why do you take peoples posts and use them out of context?  

I said 8 year olds have been passing the Ham Exam from back in the 1960's and that still holds true today.

I said CW is very easy for a child to learn, most could probably do 20 WPM with 2 months of practice.

I am sure your happy it ticks me off, just like I am certain that you have no problem selling your old equipment for top dollar to those new hams or that you have no problem buying any of the new equipment that has been possible due to the influx of new Hams or even the DXpeditions which have increased because of new hams and the money and motivation they bring.

Some people see that all their best days are behind them and just can't stand it that someone else is doing something they think violates their exclusive club. 


I guess I have just heard this one said way too many times and it's really getting to me.

"The ham exam is so easy now even a 8 year old can pass it!"
True statement right there


"It's because they dropped the code"
Another true statement right there

Glad it ticks you off..

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KJ7WC
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« Reply #145 on: November 08, 2013, 02:18:29 PM »

I see that Godwin's law is alive and well. Shouldn't be long now.
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KD8MJR
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« Reply #146 on: November 08, 2013, 03:46:26 PM »

I see that Godwin's law is alive and well. Shouldn't be long now.

As W9FIB said in the post above why do people feel a need to come into forums and say things that they know are just going to create a negative reply?  Because they have nothing better to do so they take a subject and twist it around to start an argument.

Even now after 11 pages nobody in this thread is saying that an 8 year old cannot pass a 1960's exam (complete with morse code).  So them saying that an 8 year old can pass today's exam is also meaningless!  Given that reality some people have decided they need to go in another direction and try to twist this into another kind of argument.
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KJ7WC
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« Reply #147 on: November 08, 2013, 05:38:18 PM »

Excuse me? MJR, I think you need to assess who is your aggressor. My post was oddly supportive of you.
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« Reply #148 on: November 08, 2013, 07:27:03 PM »

NJ1K why do you take peoples posts and use them out of context?  

I said 8 year olds have been passing the Ham Exam from back in the 1960's and that still holds true today.
This is true.  Did I miss something you said?
I said CW is very easy for a child to learn, most could probably do 20 WPM with 2 months of practice.
This is also true.  Did I mis something else?
I am sure your happy it ticks me off, I amjust like I am certain that you have no problem selling your old equipment for top dollar to those new hams I don't sell used equipment, I use it untill it's no longer worth anythingor that you have no problem buying any of the new equipment that has been possible due to the influx of new Hams or even the DXpeditions which have increased because of new hams and the money and motivation they bring. I don't buy new equipment

Some people see that all their best days are behind them and just can't stand it that someone else is doing something they think violates their exclusive club.  I love newbies. They're entertaining.  Stupid little thing tick them off.


I guess I have just heard this one said way too many times and it's really getting to me.

"The ham exam is so easy now even a 8 year old can pass it!"
True statement right there


"It's because they dropped the code"
Another true statement right there

Glad it ticks you off..

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KD8MJR
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« Reply #149 on: November 09, 2013, 10:54:14 AM »

Excuse me? MJR, I think you need to assess who is your aggressor. My post was oddly supportive of you.

I know you where being supportive and thanks Smiley
I was just pointing out that you are right and that someone always comes in and tries to start an argument and it esculates until Godwin's law plays out.  That person being NJ1K.
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